Hagen vs Uberschall

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Ugh, I hated the Rev Blue. Kind of a weak amp compared to the other revisions.
 
I love my new rev 2 and much prefer it to the various Diezels I have owned through the years. I really want to try a Hagen though. I also like the TJ much more than the Rev Blue. I think Diezels are great amps but prefer the Bogners myself.

Love Peter, named my dog after him. The Hagen looks to be a great amp.
 
All in what you like. Thank god everyone doesn't like the same thing it would be a boring world n there would be nothin to bitch about. Lmfao!
 
leib10":pgtqd0hb said:
Ugh, I hated the Rev Blue. Kind of a weak amp compared to the other revisions.

Might help if you didn't play in an apartment. I've had a rev blue, a bogner 1 of a kind modded TJ, a stock TJ, and a Rev 2 all in my hands (2 of them were amps belonging to my students, not mine personally). The Rev blue is still with me. I basically don't agree at all with your assessment of the amps as you've expressed in the bogner sub-forum. Everything you explain about them just makes my scratch my head in amazement. :confused: I found FAR more variation due to guitar used with the amp, than between the 4 amps different 2nd channels. We sat around trying to do blind A/B tests for hours and none could accurately pick out which was which when they were EQ'd to the guitar used. Just for shits and giggles, there was also an AxeFX Ultra using the uber patch through a mesa power amp at the same time, which didn't compete, it just lacked the depth of the amps and was too fizzy sounding.

I've had 2 Ubers (blue and TJ) and a Herbert in the same room for a few hours with someone who was looking to trade (their herb for an uber). Didn't feel the herb was any improvement, and couldn't get it to get in the mix as well as either uber, and that the herb was smoother and lacked the grind I like about ubers. Didn't make the trade. Felt the amps were in the same zone if you will, but the uber kept giving the goods out while the herb just kinda wimped out when pushed with a full band and didn't sit in the mix to my liking.

Have no experience with the Hagen what so ever.
 
Could you be a bit more specific as to what you disagree with?

By the way, I only play in an apartment most of the time. Doesn't mean I haven't cranked the amps plenty of times.
 
1.) Harsh highs. None of the 4 Ubers had harsh highs in any manner, and all 4 amps would easily be "dark" by my standards. The stock TJ was the brightest of the bunch, though once again, this is splitting hairs. None of them were overly bright. I've always run =C= el34s in the blue, never anything else.

2.) Flubby lows. The 2 was "the loosest" of the bunch, especially on a 7 tuned to A, but not in an unpleasant or unusable way, it actually worked quite well for the over all sound/feel. None were VHT levels of tight, though none were in any way flubby or farty. Only when EQd like a 12 year old at Guitar Center did any of them sound flubby and loose. Proper gain/EQ settings provided solid, articulate lows. When EQd for the guitar being used, all had acceptable low end response. None of them sounded as good through the Mesa nor Marshall cabs we had laying around. The mesa sounded the dullest. All 4 sounded tighter and more articulate with the uberkab (real loaded, didn't have access to a front loaded and still haven't tried one).

Once again, all 4 amps sounded extremely similar on the 2nd channel, when EQd to the guitar being used. Going from a 7 with EMGs to a 7 with Crunchlab/liquifier combo to a 7 with blackouts, and a 7 with custom wound 1 off pickups, produced far more variation in sound than there was between the amps themselves. What I mean, is we'd go through with 1 guitar, and I'd pick out (blindly) which of the 4 I preferred (a, b, c, d, etc). Then we'd change guitars. Each time we each had different results. There just wasn't an over all winner, nor a massive difference between the 2nd channel on the 4 amps. Certainly not as massive as going to an entirely different amp we had available (modded marshalls, mesa's, axe fx, oranges, herbert, and more).

I certainly wouldn't put down any of the various styles of ubers based on what I've experienced with any of them, nor praise any model higher than another. I think you'd find nearly as much variation if you played 10 TJs, or started swapping Pre/Power tubes and cabs, as you would going from a 2 to a Blue to a TJ, on the 2nd channel. Certainly could have been a case of the blue being an exceptional example (it's an early blue, when they still had Symbol serial numbers and an attached power cable), or that any of the other ubers may have needed servicing, or had sub-optimal tube compliment, or just been a lemon. Some amps are just lemons, working at music stores long enough, etc, you experience it. You stock a bunch of the same model, and some just speak to you, while others don't. No way I'd put down any of the uber variations based on those experiences. Ubershall's rock, period, in my book.
 
Read my reply in the Uberschall comparison thread. I don't want to hijack this thread!
 
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