Brandonrz
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To me it’s nasally mids. 500-1k hz.
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braintheory
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The mark series though are super nasally there with the GEQ turned off, not great, but no cardboard-y or filtered sound to be had (at least with the vintage mark amps like the 3's and 2's). I'm not a technical guy at all, but feel it's more just an overall lack of richness or warmth to the sound giving that affect that I and some others don't like. Maybe a lack of some overtones, not sure
If you play many vintage '60's Vox AC30 Top Boosts at volume when they overdrive they also can be really nasally in that region, but have the warmth and richness you'd expect a good vintage amp to have. Again no filtered or cardboard-y sound. I've only heard it in relatively recent made amps or some heavily modded Marshall's (that I hate)
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braintheory
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It's a timbre and admittedly maybe a stretch with that one. The only way I know how to explain would be examples like:
Metallic: the sound of a harpsichord, clavichord, triangle or if you literally tap a hollow piece of metal and listen to the sound (anything reminiscent of that). Or a resonator guitar or acoustically play an electric guitar made out of all metal like the EGC's or Ogre's (sorta sounds like a metal garbage can, but in a great way lol)
Woody: rich, warm sound like an old '20/'30's Martin acoustic guitar, especially with mahogany, a '50's Fender Tweed amp, most guitars in general that are over 100 years old
Glassy: Fender blackface cleans
Plastic-y: again tap a piece of plastic, play acoustically an Aristides guitar, the EVH 5153 series of amps
Cardboard: tap a piece of cardboard and listen to the tone (anything reminiscent of that), Uber Ultra, Omega Obsidian, Driftwood Purplenightmare. Basically to me sort of like woody with all the richness and warmth taken out of the sound, which is why I find it usually also goes along with descriptors like filtered, sterile, clinical, or lacking life
Brandonrz
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Yeah, I mean cardboard boxy is a term that’s been used in mixing for a long time. Refers to that range.
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braintheory
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Boxy I definitely have heard often and used it myself for describing that range of sound. Cardboardy I borrowed from the classical guitar world as a descriptor often used for when a guitar lacks tonal complexity or overtones in its sound, often used also in that world to describe the tap tone of maple being similar to cardboard sometimes vs good pieces of rosewood
Shask
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I was gonna say too much 400hz - 500hz.
glpg80
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Totally putting a cardboard switch in my amp. Damp, soggy, stiff
NewWorldMan
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Ah, I usually just call that flat or lifeless. I do think there’s a lot of modern amps and mods that sacrifice depth and character for the sake of making something tight.
…but, us players as a whole are probably partly to blame for that. I think there’s a whole segment of players out there that have used sims and IRs for so long that they expect a tube amp to sound like a modeler.
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braintheory
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I do consider them flat or lifeless, but don’t think it’s about tightness as some of these cardboard-y amps (and some modded Marshall’s I didn’t like) aren’t even that tight and the Ultra always sounded really cardboardy to me even with the loosest, sludgiest settings I tried. Just an inherent timbre to that amp I found. Actually the tightest sounding amps I’ve tried so far did not at all sound lifeless or flat to me or cardboardy (Hermansson’s, Larry Dino, Wizards Hell Razor). I recognize some of those amps have other qualities some may not care for, but at least not lifeless, flat or cardboard-y, if anything quite the opposite to me
This could be. I don’t have a ton of experience playing modelers (haven’t tried sims or IR’s, not my thing), but I can see the Ultra, Obsidian, KSR, Revv and Driftwood amps as some examples having a sound more in that direction and a few other amps I won’t name out of respect lol. I remember last time I played an Engl Savage at a store (14 years ago now damn) my dad was there and said the amp sounds like a modeler, very synthetic. Can’t say I disagreed with him
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braintheory
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To add to it too, I’d say tap a piece of cardboardy then tap a piece of a good tonewood and like you said the cardboard has a very flat, lifeless sound that doesn’t ring, while the good tone wood will have an opposite type of tap tone. Maybe that’s a tgp-ish explanation lol, but it applies IME to stuff like the ultra vs Rev 1 Uber I had to make it not tgp-ish haha
Jccobb2
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Still the best bogner ever made.
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BrutalRob
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to those that played an UU. How does it behave in the high end? Aggressive with some sizzle? Crisp/edgy high end? or rather smooth?
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baron55
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zewango
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Did I gig with UU it was definitely not sterile and lifeless. Did a great job with Maiden better than the JEL 20
Brandonrz
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Yeah, it really can do all. The power amp controls really trip people up. The three presence knobs shift the frequency. Then the depth is 100 hz bump… crank for older uber sounds, density is a negative feedback knob… which for the older uber sound you would crank all the way. I always see comments it doesn’t sound like the old, but then the density knob is almost off or at noon. Density knob as you add more negative feedback you also need more Volume.
savant421
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I have an early Uber (serial #045, Rev Green maybe? I dunno) that I loaded with GT 6CA7s and it's a bad mofo. Not very versatile but jeebus it slays. Never experienced an UU, morbidly curious about them but have zero desire to unload my Uber
PurityS.L.G
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You have the OG. I believe there is a little over 100 of them, maybe up to 200 I forgot.
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xfactor23
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Not missing anything....
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braintheory
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Yes if anything the other way around where I felt I was missing in the UU a lot of what I liked in the early Ubers
311boogieman
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Dual Rectifier