Herbert vs VH4

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Hello,
at first I want to say to everybody. I`m new in ths forum as an registered user.
And unfortunetly I ask the same question that was already asked a couple of times. For that sorry.
But also I`m on the journey to the perfect ton and playability.
At first I want to give you an impression about the style of music I play.
Mostly it is the direction of Bands like Stone Sour, Alter Bridge, Bloodsimple, Sevendust, Disturbed. But I also like to play some clean and bluesy stuff.
My current AMP is an Rivera KR100 that fits realy good in gerneral to the music. But in the overhall I like a raw direct responding open tone. I mean without much compression and with bottom ends. Maybe you say now : Why do you want to change your AMP. So one part is that I`m always exploring the tone possibilitys. Another thing is that I`m not saticfied with the features: 2 channels with 1 EQ, no master volume, ultimativly loud. I know diezel AMPs are also loud but the rivera is unbelivable. The AMP starts to make a realy good tone at a volume what is NEARLY to loud for a band!!!! If you don`t belive, check it out.
I played the VH4 and it was realy a great AMP. Till now I didn`t had the opportunity to play the herbert. I know I should but in the planning for the next month in my working place I will not get the time to drive to cologne (200km) to spend there the time I should. So I want to take some opinions from you diezel experts to order one and test it at home. (It`s discussed with the music stores) but to do my presorting I want to ask you for support.
The last Info for the chain: I play PRS Singlecut guitar and I like it if you hear the defined guitar sound with the power of the AMP.

Thanks

Rock on
Adrian
 
This can be the wrong forum to post this, but looking at the bands & tone you are after Ubershall & XTC combo will do it for you. Or you can buy one Herbert, which will cover it all, but wont be exactly what you are looking for.
 
Welcome. I own a Herbert, I havn't played a VH4 but after reading many topics on this forum I can tell you that the Herbert is less compressed. You can't go wrong with either.
 
Whether VH4 is more compressed than Herbert is up to a debate. They have different kind of saturation which in some way makes it feel like VH4 is more compressed, but I don't think it is. FWIW 12:00 Ch3 Herbert is more compressed than 12:00 Ch3 VH4 IMO.
 
nbarts":2a1lqk7g said:
Whether VH4 is more compressed than Herbert is up to a debate. They have different kind of saturation which in some way makes it feel like VH4 is more compressed, but I don't think it is. FWIW 12:00 Ch3 Herbert is more compressed than 12:00 Ch3 VH4 IMO.
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I agree with that...at least from memory. The compression thing is really a channel 4 deal, to me.
 
Going by the bands he mentioned I'd recommend the VH4, even though I'm a Herbert user. Alter Bridge for example play the VH4.
 
Thanks for your support.
Basicly if I summarise I have:

VH4:
A tight amp with a raw sound and a lot of low ends

herbert:
A big AMP that is not that raw. more fluid to play but not that tight as the VH4

Is that correct to have a GENERAL impression to compare?
Please correct me if I`m wrong.

How does the AMPS work with lower volumes? lower volumes=practice band volume.

Thanks
Adrian
 
Herbert works much better at low volumes aka bedroom-level, but at practice they're both great. Herbert has much more bottom (low) end than the VH4. Herbert can be raw, but generally speaking the VH4 is "rawer". Midcut and MIDI give the Herbert the edge over the VH4 for me.
 
i'm pretty sure mark tremonti mainly uses a triple rec, although in the studio he blends it with a bogner uberschall and a vh4
 
Mark Tremonti used a VH4 in the studio but Miles uses a Herbert live all the time. Ive heard it and it sounds great. Personally i like his tone better than Tremontis and im a BIG Alterbridge fan. Tremonti primarily uses mesa. But if you like that sound, go for a Herbert.
I have A/B'd both of them together and thought that the Herbert had more tonal variaties in the channels and to me felt better. Slightly looser. But not loose enough to loose definition or get away with being sloppy. With midi you can actually get more tones out of the herbert. Lots of people say "well its only 3 channels". What they dont realize is that with midi there are several, mainly being Ch1, 2, and 3 with mid cut on or off. Plus with vol 1 and 2. All these things affect your tone. ESPECIALLY mids. Thats the guitars center frequency, and what cuts through the mix more than anything. Too much focus on bass. you will barely hear the bass in a band. Although the herbert does have a tight bottom end that is handled very well.. :yes: ..bass will not help you cut through much at all.
With that said i also loved the VH4 and it was a tough decision but i just liked the tone in the Herbert better. I honestly felt it was better in my opinion.
 
guys, you can now officially welcome adrian to the diezel family!!!

and as for VH4 vs. Herbert...I sold him my Herbert :o)

have fun with it adrian :rock: :rock: :rock:
 
nbarts":1kpdhv44 said:
FWIW 12:00 Ch3 Herbert is more compressed than 12:00 Ch3 VH4 IMO.
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That is because you are comparing the wrong channels. Channel 2+ isn't more compressed than the CH4 ch3. Where as channel 3 Herbert is very much like VH4 ch4.
 
dean_fry":3bm5i3kh said:
guys, you can now officially welcome adrian to the diezel family!!!

and as for VH4 vs. Herbert...I sold him my Herbert :o)

have fun with it adrian :rock: :rock: :rock:
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NICE!! Enjoy!! The honeymoon never ends!! :rock:
 
RJF":2s1ttswm said:
nbarts":2s1ttswm said:
FWIW 12:00 Ch3 Herbert is more compressed than 12:00 Ch3 VH4 IMO.
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That is because you are comparing the wrong channels. Channel 2+ isn't more compressed than the CH4 ch3. Where as channel 3 Herbert is very much like VH4 ch4.
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Maybe you're right. I don't find the VH4 more compressed than the Herbert at volumes that I play. At lower volumes I might agree, I have myself felt that way when I tried the amp first not as loud, but after getting them going at stage volumes, I would say the opposite is true.
 
I've owned both the Herbert and the VH-4 and the VH-4 is more compressed... also I Nbarts I wouldn't compare channel 3 on the Herbert to channel 3 on the VH-4... a better comparison would be channel 2+ of the Herbert and Channel 3 of VH-4....
 
u better be sorry NBarts... :lol: :LOL:

i have both & the VH4 is def more compressed @ higher volumes. Has a lil more grit to her (IMO)

and Channel 3 is sorta like Channel 2+ on the Herbie. Seems a lil more "Marshall-esque" than the Herbie.
 
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