Here is what I am considering!

[motrock]

I just sent an email to Dave on this. I am considering just doing the BE, C45, and the Saturation Switch on my Mojave Peacemaker. I am thinking that I don't want the HBE! The reason is.... a lot of people on here are saying that the Saturation Switch on the BE will get enough gain. I am thinking that will be good enough for me. I am little strapped for cash anyway! That should offset the cost of any kind of a Transformer Swap.... which could happen in my case!

What do you guys think? BE, C45, and Saturation switch good enough? Again, I am playing Scorpions, Def Leppard, Ratt, AC/DC, Michael Schenker, Van Halen, etc.

It would save me a few dollars!

 

[Mailman1971]

I think if you dont want heavier then Metallica.........your GOLDEN!

 

[goldwing68nv]

well i've never played a Peacemaker amp but i would have thought it could handle the tones of the bands you listed(what do i know )....but to answer your question,the BE,C45 and SAT switch will easily get you those band tones.like "hatboy" already mentioned,anything up through Metallica tones the SAT switch,especially,can handle NO problem!

...on a separate note,as much as i like heavy tones up through some Death & Doom metal bands,the bands you mentioned(Scorpions, Def Leppard, Ratt, AC/DC, Michael Schenker, Van Halen) are some of the BEST "gain" tones ever created so GO FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mailman1971]

well i've never played a Peacemaker amp but i would have thought it could handle the tones of the bands you listed(what do i know )....but to answer your question,the BE,C45 and SAT switch will easily get you those band tones.like "hatboy" already mentioned,anything up through Metallica tones the SAT switch,especially,can handle NO problem!

...on a separate note,as much as i like heavy tones up through some Death & Doom metal bands,the bands you mentioned(Scorpions, Def Leppard, Ratt, AC/DC, Michael Schenker, Van Halen) are some of the BEST "gain" tones ever created so GO FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sayyyyyyyy...........for a Robot with a Monocle and a top hat....your all right!

 

[guitarded_1]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that a couple of folks found that saturation switch to not be a particularly useful option. Though I have no experience, you might want to weigh the saturation switch vs. the modern switch.

 

[goldwing68nv]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that a couple of folks found that saturation switch to not be a particularly useful option. Though I have no experience, you might want to weigh the saturation switch vs. the modern switch.

really? hmm,interesting! havent read that anywhere myself,but would like to see those reviews.i know at least 6 guys on the forum who all have KS modded amps WITH the SAT switch and absolutely love 'em! that feature is dave friedman's JOSE-HG circuit and it's a pretty gainy,saturated,angry-sounding tone that it creates...well,maybe some of these other friedman amp owners can "chime in" & give us their HONEST opinion about the SAT switch

...as far as the MODERN switch,that came shortly after my time getting mods done from dave,so i cant tell you anything about it.maybe someone with BOTH the SAT & MODERN switch features can "chime in" as i'd like to know the differences...

 

[goldwing68nv]

well i've never played a Peacemaker amp but i would have thought it could handle the tones of the bands you listed(what do i know )....but to answer your question,the BE,C45 and SAT switch will easily get you those band tones.like "hatboy" already mentioned,anything up through Metallica tones the SAT switch,especially,can handle NO problem!

...on a separate note,as much as i like heavy tones up through some Death & Doom metal bands,the bands you mentioned(Scorpions, Def Leppard, Ratt, AC/DC, Michael Schenker, Van Halen) are some of the BEST "gain" tones ever created so GO FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sayyyyyyyy...........for a Robot with a Monocle and a top hat....your all right!

thanks,spanky ... u beez purdy kool urself

 

[guitarded_1]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that a couple of folks found that saturation switch to not be a particularly useful option. Though I have no experience, you might want to weigh the saturation switch vs. the modern switch.

really? hmm,interesting! havent read that anywhere myself,but would like to see those reviews.i know at least 6 guys on the forum who all have KS modded amps WITH the SAT switch and absolutely love 'em! that feature is dave friedman's JOSE-HG circuit and it's a pretty gainy,saturated,angry-sounding tone that it creates...well,maybe some of these other friedman amp owners can "chime in" & give us their HONEST opinion about the SAT switch

...as far as the MODERN switch,that came shortly after my time getting mods done from dave,so i cant tell you anything about it.maybe someone with BOTH the SAT & MODERN switch features can "chime in" as i'd like to know the differences...

Again - no personal experience here.

the saturation switch is worthless for me, I should have done more checking about this, I probably meant to get the modern switch instead. The saturation robs too much authority from the power section for me- the sound gets too small IMO.

My Marshall has the modern switch I dig it and its on that setting most of the time. I dont use the saturation mode at all either btu I dont mind having it. Mine has the clean on the back and its awesome. I have the BE and HBE but really onlu use the BE. Again nice to have tho. I love mine its a 100W version.

 

[goldwing68nv]

i hear ya....but as far as this:

"lespaul6 wrote:
the saturation switch is worthless for me, I should have done more checking about this, I probably meant to get the modern switch instead. The saturation robs too much authority from the power section for me- the sound gets too small IMO."


unfortunately(and understandably) the author of that comment may not have been/was not aware of this "volume drop" aspect of the mod(there was a time that i didnt know this either).the Saturation switch "circuit" is based directly off the jose-MV clipping circuit and a SPECIFIC(and normal) characteristic of THAT circuit,once engaged,is that is does immediately create a sizeable "volume drop" but should typically & easily be overcome by simply turning the amp's VOLUME knob up to compensate for the drop.i've heard/played the SAT switch on both 50w & 100w heads and never had a problem getting the "desireable" volume(and tone) i needed out of the amp while the SAT switch was engaged ...fwiw,the recent HOLY GRAIL cameron-modded '76 JMP 2204 did the EXACT SAME THING,as far as a sizeable volume "drop", when you pulled the MV pot "out" to engage the diodes(which was engaging the jose-HG tone)...and that was an amp with a $2600 plus price tag.dave friedman's SAT circuit feature is a mere $50 addtl mod and i think it's fair too say that it's a "worthy" addition to a "general" friedman mod,for the "peanuts" price


...once again,dont know about the MODERN switch so

 

[danhops]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that a couple of folks found that saturation switch to not be a particularly useful option. Though I have no experience, you might want to weigh the saturation switch vs. the modern switch.

According to Dave, the Modern switch is for the HBE circuit, not the BE. I think for the tones he is looking for, he will more than have it covered. For the bands he listed the Sat switch will probably be a little overkill, but its nice to have if he wishes to sometimes venture outside of that zone.

 

[goldwing68nv]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that a couple of folks found that saturation switch to not be a particularly useful option. Though I have no experience, you might want to weigh the saturation switch vs. the modern switch.

According to Dave, the Modern switch is for the HBE circuit, not the BE. I think for the tones he is looking for, he will more than have it covered. For the bands he listed the Sat switch will probably be a little overkill, but its nice to have if he wishes to sometimes venture outside of that zone.

BINGO sums it up! i couldnt have said it better myself

 

[motrock]

Cool guys! Thanks for the advice. I think that the BE, C45, and Sat Switch will work great. I am not really that big of a Metallica guy these days. I used to be back in high school and college... but I have grown out of that stage. Can the BE w/ Sat switch do a convincing Alice N Chains tone?

 

[motrock]

The reason why I ask all of this is because it sounds like people are not liking the HBE as much as the BE with Sat Switch. I was told that you can get close to the HBE with the Sat Switch... and then it makes the HBE redundant?

 

[goldwing68nv]

Cool guys! Thanks for the advice. I think that the BE, C45, and Sat Switch will work great. I am not really that big of a Metallica guy these days. I used to be back in high school and college... but I have grown out of that stage. Can the BE w/ Sat switch do a convincing Alice N Chains tone?

YES...BE alone can do it ...just ask dave.he's built the custom Marsha for Jerry Cantrell and i believe that he's using the BE mostly(correct me if i'm wrong DF).

 

[goldwing68nv]

The reason why I ask all of this is because it sounds like people are not liking the HBE as much as the BE with Sat Switch. I was told that you can get close to the HBE with the Sat Switch... and then it makes the HBE redundant?

well i love the HBE as much as the BE with SAT switch turned "on",as they bring similar,yet two quite different high-gain tones & feels.i know alot of guys who love the HBE tone.i've mentioned,in previous posts,that IF i had "limited funds" to work with and was getting ONE mod from dave friedman,personally i would get the BE with SAT switch as it can cover everything up through what the HBE "alone" does(although,again,a slightly different feel,etc..) so if you're referring to some of my previous posts from before and have misunderstood me,then that's why i'm re-itterating my opinion & findings again "for the record"

 

[jski59]

I prefer the BE with the Sat switch over the HBE, but that's just my opinion. I rarely ever use the HBE.

The C45 is awesome! Actually they're all awesome!

 

[RACKSYSTEMS]

Just for the record the Modern switch is to be used with the HBE and it actually cuts some gain and revoices the low mids kind of. Is cool.

 

[lespaul6]

Just to clarify my previous post...the saturation switch just did not work out for my situation but may work out for someone else in a recording situation etc., I am able to get plenty of overdrive with the C-45 alone. Motrok- for the bands you mentioned you will be good IMO. I just sent another amp to Dave for just the brown eye and the C-45 with no saturation switch. You really cant get a bad tone out of Daves mods. The best mods I have tried/heard yet!

 

[motrock]

Thanks for the advice guys! Yeah, I think the BE w/ Sat Switch, and the C45 will be good enough for what I am wanting to do! My funds are limited these days, so I will just have to make due with that. Plus; as they say, less is more!

Did I hear someone say at one point that the C45 is a little more gain then the BE? And its thicker?

 

[motrock]

Can I get this much gain out of the BE w/ Sat Switch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjYBOlj2 ... re=related