How many decibels (dB) can Herbert can do ??

[stefvorcide]

Let's say master is dimed, all channel volumes are maxed out, mid-cut can be either on or off (what's loudest anyway... I know with midcut intensity past noon its freakin heavy... doesn't mean it's louder tho !!)

Anybody ever tested it ?? let's say with a cab with v30's...

I'm just asking like that...

Edit: found that online http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/loudness.html
Must be around 130 decibels... prolly louder

 

[Ventura]

All depends, numbers are weird when it comes to dBSPL and the like...

Linear, continuous, peak, etc. The Herbert won't be loudest with everything dimed, there would be some cross defeat with the bass/depth getting too much of the power. But I get where you're going with this hypothetically. My guess is around 127-128dB at utmost maximum levels, continuous, and perfectly efficient.

Edit: Assuming 6 ft distance from a 4x12 loaded with V30s - straight on.

 

[cardinal]

Not sure we'd live to tell the tale.

 

[bananaladonpcp]

Not sure we'd live to tell the tale.

I've dimed my master with the channel volume around 12 and now i have no arms or legs... I'm typing this with my nose...

 

[stefvorcide]

Eedit:

 

[Peter Diezel]

Don´t forget about the speakers efficiency

 

[kahawe]

"130" maybe doesn't look like much but generally at 120dB hearing damage is possible and 130dB is the threshold of pain and it is like a jet engine from 100m away; 30m close-up that jet engine does 150dB. Whatever you do, protect your ears...


I don't think you need to worry about dB, you got plenty and then some, but worry more about coupling the speaker-cab to the floor.

 

[SinDes1]

I'm with Peter on this one. Speaker efficiency along with the acoustics and a host of other variables in play within the listening environment all play a huge role in dB SPL and perceived volume. Distance relative to the sound source also plays a huge role.

 

[the_music]

so lets change the question: what is the right way to get the loudest tone out of the herb?

 

[brickford]

so lets change the question: what is the right way to get the loudest tone out of the herb?

I only know the wrong ways....like crank it and stick my head about an inch away from the speakers

 

[Ventura]

so lets change the question: what is the right way to get the loudest tone out of the herb?

EQ it to offer the most prevalent efficient frequencies (bass frequencies are not efficient), crank it, and run it through 100dB sensitivity speaker set up. The speakers and their contained cabinet are the control mechanism. Furthermore, outdoor space (or a large hall with acoustic damping) would be needed to remove echo and noise. The loudest setting on the Herbert probably wouldn't sound tonally good, but it would definitely shake yer legs and hammer your chest. I'm firm on 127dB to 128dB at 6 feet with an averagely efficient speaker cab; normal atmosphere; normal elevation.

 

[EOT]

Couldn't tell you a DB level but, I did dime mine through an EVM12L 4x12 and lived to tell about it. I did it in a 12x14 room too And as loud as it was, it was still really clear and defined. It was insanely loud though.



Yes I used earplugs

 

[Ventura]

Couldn't tell you a DB level but, I did dime mine through an EVM12L 4x12 and lived to tell about it. I did it in a 12x14 room too And as loud as it was, it was still really clear and defined. It was insanely loud though.



Yes I used earplugs

Have ya tried making babies since?

 

[EOT]

Couldn't tell you a DB level but, I did dime mine through an EVM12L 4x12 and lived to tell about it. I did it in a 12x14 room too And as loud as it was, it was still really clear and defined. It was insanely loud though.



Yes I used earplugs

Have ya tried making babies since?

No...

 

[shadowdevourer]

This makes me wonder.. and yes I am a sound noob, and dont know much about the technical stuff.. why does it state 0 db as max when you are recording on a DAW and then you can dial it toward minus whereas the link you send above states 0db as lowest or weakest noise that can be heard and nothing on minus. Are there two types of decibels?

 

[Ventura]

This makes me wonder.. and yes I am a sound noob, and dont know much about the technical stuff.. why does it state 0 db as max when you are recording on a DAW and then you can dial it toward minus whereas the link you send above states 0db as lowest or weakest noise that can be heard and nothing on minus. Are there two types of decibels?

0dB is kinda like parity in the recording realm, from there it's subtractive or additive depending on headroom and pad/gain.

It has nothing to do with real life dB-SPL.

 

[K-mark5]

looking at the topic name.. what is a 'herbert can'? (JK)

 

[slyvren]

0dB in recording came from Analog gear originally. 0dB is the saturation point. In Analog it's possible to exceed it because the tape compresses and saturates in a musical way. In the digital realm it's a hard limit. There is zero headroom past 0dB and it's pure saturation after that. You can't get anything louder than 0 dB in digital. Sure in your channels you can boost the volumes past if the master is down or whatever, but no matter what it's gonna clip past 0dB.

So to answer your question. Exactly like Mo said. It's everything to do with headroom. It's hard to put an arbitrary number like 127dB because you're always shooting for the top and it'll never translate to that in real word dB because you don't know how loud the listener has their listening device. It's easier to know how far UNDER the peak you are. Make sense? -6dB means you're 6 dB under pegging that crap.

Also to note. Digital dB and Analog dB are different. -6dB Analog does NOT equate to -6dB Digital. 0 VU (Analog) is equivalent to -16dB digital

 

[kahawe]

what is a 'herbert can'? (JK)

I suppose that's synonymous with the proverbial can o' whoop-ass!

 

[Peter Diezel]

Gentlemen,

electronic dB level has nothing to do with acoustic dB level.

0dB is never a limit.

Peace,
Peter