How much of the "Fender Clean" sound is in the speakers?

[JakeAC5253]

Anyone ever try this? Anyone ever hook up a metal head clean channel into the Jensen speakers or a Fender chassis into a V30 4x12? Results?

 

[lolzgreg]

I hooked up my Vox when I had it into my 4x12 Greenback cabinet. All the Jangle was gone.

I'm going to go ahead and say 70% of the jangle factor is an open back cabinet with an alnico loaded speaker (or something similar).

 

[H Golf Sport]

I think a lot. Had a victoria with 2 10" jensens. Greatest cleans I have ever heard. crank it and rock out with a dirt pedal and it just flubbed out and fell apart. Tried 2 scumbacks in it one m and one h model. Held together and rocked much better sounded great cranked with a marshall sounding pedal. But it lost the magic of that amp. The cleans just lost "it". Put the jensens back in and kept it as just a clean and light break up amp. The scums were good speakers but I think I was just trying to make that amp something it wasn't. They accomplished what I was trying to do but I lost the magical cleans in the process and that wasn't worth it to me.
That said my bogner Duende has nearly as good cleans running the stock celestion speaker. Maybe the amps are voiced to work with certain speakers???

Aloha, Rob.

 

[JakeAC5253]

Thanks. I'm not surprised I've heard my rig change 180 upon a new set of speakers. I was thinking about it today (yeah, in my free time, isn't that scary?) and it really dawned on me that the speakers could have a lot to do with it.

 

[mentoneman]

huge

i've always juggled speakers to optimize what tone i'm after
had an egnater tol 50 combo with one celestion gh30 and one jensen p12n reissue to try to keep the fender sparkle yet smooth out the marshally dirt

my carol ann OD2r sounds best for fendery cleans with my tone tubbies hbomb cab but for dirty vintage to modern marshall sounds out of it the 4x12 celestion cab sounds ideal

then for the best middle of the tone road speaker, the EV is the ticket. not as sparkly chimey, as the top end is smoother and more compressed sounding, and not as dynamic in the lows and highs as the celestions for dirt, but very cool in it's own way. less likely to have harsh highs and sucks up lows so rarely boomy.

 

[rupe]

Yes and no. I think the speaker imparts more of it's signature once a Fender amp is really cooking. I have a '68 DR that has been customized but all mods are bypassable (on the trem channel) so it can still get the stock sound. I swapped out the speaker to a V30 and it still sounds pretty much just like it did when played clean...the difference is more obvious when its cranked up to overdrive. Back off the guitars volume and it cleans up and sounds like it always did though.

A couple of "old school" players from State College commented that its one of the best DRs that they've ever heard and both have borrowed it in the past...and these are guys who would typically have nothing to do with a Celestion speaker.

That's my limited experience in experimenting with speakers in a Fender...I'm curious to hear other experiences.

 

[racerevlon]

Your speakers are the last set of EQ in your signal path, so it stands to reason...

 

[jonny toetags]

I've hooked my plexi to my SuperReverb's speakers....sounded, um, not-so-good.

 

[70strathead]

i just recently swapped my V30 to Jensen Vintage Reissue and it's night and day for cleans on my Blackface.

 

[rupe]

i just recently swapped my V30 to Jensen Vintage Reissue and it's night and day for cleans on my Blackface.

Interesting...there wasn't much difference between my original Jenson and the V30 that I put in (which was well broken in) for cleans. I wonder if its the newness of the reissue that's making the most difference? Which blackface do you have and how does the reissue sound when you light it up?

 

[70strathead]

i just recently swapped my V30 to Jensen Vintage Reissue and it's night and day for cleans on my Blackface.

Interesting...there wasn't much difference between my original Jenson and the V30 that I put in (which was well broken in) for cleans. I wonder if its the newness of the reissue that's making the most difference? Which blackface do you have and how does the reissue sound when you light it up?

the model number for the speaker is C12k and my amp is a 1980 point to point Concert that has been modded to a Blackface Vibrolux spec with original choke. I need to work it in still, but it handles lows really well, smooth mods and it retains those classic fender chimey highs that I wasnt quite getting from the V30. it also has this cool sponginess to it and retains clarity when turned up with a good OD.

http://jensentone.com/c12k.php

 

[robertkoa]

I used to run a Fender Champ into a 10 inch 3 way Hi Fi speaker and it sounded great - still like a Fender- I expected to need to disconnect the tweeter but it was not necessary- no sound came through the tweeter , just the woofer and a little through the midrange.

Also a crude L-pad type attenuator- sounded like a Fender like a bigger amp even at low volume because more bass came through.

So most of the Fender sound is in the Amp not the speakers.