I bought a,soldano that says Mesa?

[Mr. Willy]

This has been talked about and referenced on the forum before, but for anyone who doesn't know, this entire album has a 2-channel Dual Rectifier (rack mount) all over it.

 

[BrentSSL]

Lol if I say that Marshall and Mesa sound good together no one cares because its all part of the plan but If I say that a 900 doller amp sounds like a 2500$ amp then everone lose thier minds : )

 

[fuzzyguitars]

i dunno

i have owned many iterations of dual and triple rectos both two and three channels

to me the soldanos feel and sound very very different.

sold every recto,

still have two soldano's!

 

[siggy14]

Siggy14 I got the Rev F but now I have an option to get an,almost brand new roadster for a trade and i paid only 900 for the Rev F what do you think?

Me personally I would not trade, the rev F I think are starting to bring in more money then the roadsters now and if you are like me I think you woudl be disappointed in it going from the Rev F to a roadster. Not that the roadster is a bad amp, but it is no rev F. Best way I can put what the roadster sounds like is a modern recto that is darker with more channels.

 

[siggy14]

All you gotta do is turn up the SLO and it shows you why it is one of the legends...

This + a billion. I've owned a very nice '94 2-channel Dual Rectifier and an old block letter 5150 when they first came out. I currently own a '92 stock SLO. All three amps are nice in their own right. The Mesa and Soldano blow the Peavey away in regards to build quality. The 2 channel Rectifier is the best Recto I've heard. I can see why people say all three amps sound similar, but when you turn the SLO up past 5, it doesn't just get louder, it kinda changes gears and takes on a deep, complex, 3D tone that the Rectifier can't match. Yes, they sound similar in that they have gobs of thick, modern gain, but the SLO turned up loud just has a complexity in the tone that the DR can't match. I will say that when I played in a metal band, running a Dual Rectifier and a 5150 was a truly wicked metal tone. Again, I could get by with all three of them. I would worry about the Peavey's reliability, which is a huge deal breaker for me concerning amps. The DR, especially the older ones, are very cool amps. The SLO is the king though. It's just in a class out of reach of the other two, IMHO.

Sounds you have played a lot of rev G's, well they still have a sloish sound they are no where near as close as the Rev C/d/e/f. The Rev C is the closest, tight and clear as a bell. Yes it will never be a slo 100% but it is so damn close that once the drummer and bass player kick in most people would not be able to tell the difference.

So basically you need an recto amp that was made in 1992 and early 1993 and then you will understand what we are talking about.

 

[BrentSSL]

Oh I see so I would need to mod or or boost and eq the hell out of it to approach that tone like i did with my old 3 channel F that lol I will stick with the Rev F this amp speaks to me it says "i'm better then a expensive hard to find saldano slo" jk

 

[BrentSSL]

I especially hear it when I jam on "lay it Down" by Ratt

"then our lost sheep will be somewhere else enjoying the music stylings of Ratt"

 

[siggy14]

Oh I see so I would need to mod or or boost and eq the hell out of it to approach that tone like i did with my old 3 channel F that lol I will stick with the Rev F this amp speaks to me it says "i'm better then a expensive hard to find saldano slo" jk

The revision F is a much better sounding amp, yes it has limitations but trust me the tone you get is well worth it. I prefer the Rev F because to me it is the perfect mix of both a Rev C and Rev G, it has a loose bottem like a rev G (not as loose as the G) but it has all the rest of the glory of a Rev C but not as bright. With a boost pedal you can make the Rev F as tight as a Rev C and you can EQ the Rev F to sound just as good as the Rev C, personally the Rev C has too much brightness if you jack the controls up too high and you would never use unless you are losing your hearing and cant hear the highs anymore or in a industrial band.

 

[Racerxrated]

Lol if I say that Marshall and Mesa sound good together no one cares because its all part of the plan but If I say that a 900 doller amp sounds like a 2500$ amp then everone lose thier minds : )

Hey man I'm happy you found your tone! Congrats. I will always say that this 700 vht deliverance blows the doors off of most every other amp I've had, with some exceptions...slo being one. Those that have owned or played one just disagree with the mesa comparison. Its all just opinions! Your opinion is all that matters in the end anyway right?

 

[timeroo]

What made the original 5150 sound so good vs the 5150 III

The original 5150 doesn't sound even close to as good at the 5153 but that's all in opinion. I've used both extensively and to me, it's not even close.

 

[BrentSSL]

have had good experience with the fender evh 5150 iii they are awesome but kind of synthetic sounding lol

 

[skoora]

I was demoing Dual's when they first came out and not one I played was tight or clear as a bell. I never got their statement about being originally designed for hair metal as they have the absolute opposite attack and EQ/tone of that era's guitar.
I remember recently trying two in a store. One was a G and one was older but I couldn't tell what revision (had smaller Mesa logo and fixed power cord). Both had differences but nothing ground breaking or "Holy Shit". Actually one had an orange channel that sounded better but the other one's red channel sounded better so they were both better than each other...

If Marshall hadn't released the turd that was the 900 series the Boogies might not have gained the traction they did but come '94 the musical landscape wanted fat and big, so maybe Marshall without a radical new model was bound to lose some of that market share anyway. Still many classic metal and "grunge" records then were still cut with Marshall's and Fenders and just fuzzier pedals. I will say the chrome chassis dual's are one sexy amp and someone wanting to break away from the typical 80's rock tone could have been swayed just by that. Boogie should have partnered with Ibanez at the time to sell a Tube Screamer with every recto, then I might have bitten on it but at the time I expected an amp to give me the sound I want plugged right in. Kinda still do.

….and even if some design cues were taken from Soldano, I don't hear any similarity between early Dual's and SLO's, IMHO of course….

 

[siggy14]

I was demoing Dual's when they first came out and not one I played was tight or clear as a bell. I never got their statement about being originally designed for hair metal as they have the absolute opposite attack and EQ/tone of that era's guitar.
I remember recently trying two in a store. One was a G and one was older but I couldn't tell what revision (had smaller Mesa logo and fixed power cord). Both had differences but nothing ground breaking or "Holy Shit". Actually one had an orange channel that sounded better but the other one's red channel sounded better so they were both better than each other...

If Marshall hadn't released the turd that was the 900 series the Boogies might not have gained the traction they did but come '94 the musical landscape wanted fat and big, so maybe Marshall without a radical new model was bound to lose some of that market share anyway. Still many classic metal and "grunge" records then were still cut with Marshall's and Fenders and just fuzzier pedals. I will say the chrome chassis dual's are one sexy amp and someone wanting to break away from the typical 80's rock tone could have been swayed just by that. Boogie should have partnered with Ibanez at the time to sell a Tube Screamer with every recto, then I might have bitten on it but at the time I expected an amp to give me the sound I want plugged right in. Kinda still do.

….and even if some design cues were taken from Soldano, I don't hear any similarity between early Dual's and SLO's, IMHO of course….

Rev C is very much an 80's amp, after that Revision they started changing the amp to the changing of times and grunge. By the way you described the older recto it was prob a Rev F and the other a Rev G. Both need a boost and the orange channel on the Rev G is such a great channel. The red channel is slightly different on both and can use either one.

As to needing a pedal with a recto, at first I use to hate it, but as I got older and got out of the full on metal stage of my life I like that I can get that slushy low end for different sounds but get it tight again by throwing different pedels in front.

 

[rottingcorpse]

I did the soldano thing in 94-95. Amazing amps. I should get another one now, but I'm on a Rhodes and peters kick lately.

I too don't like having to boost an amp. The fja recto I got from mailman was by far and away the best recto I ever heard, just plug straight in. I am waiting for mailman to sell me the one he has now, as I won't get one modded from jerry. You know he will flip it eventually.

But I agree that there is no compaison. They may be similar, but not when you crank them up. There is a reason why there are kits to clone a soldano.

 

[kurtsstuff]

Soldano VS Recto vs 5150? lol!!

 

[dfrattaroli]

Lol if I say that Marshall and Mesa sound good together no one cares because its all part of the plan but If I say that a 900 doller amp sounds like a 2500$ amp then everone lose thier minds : )

Haha. Welcome to RT.

 

[BrentSSL]

lol Ok guys lets clear something up here first of all when talking about grunge that started in the late 80's even though no one was listening to it yet none of those bands used Mesa at the time. Maybe Soundgarden because Kim is using a combo Tremoverb and a Electrodyne now. But most bands early on were not getting the "grunge" sound from Mesa especially the dual Rectifier Rev G which wasn't not out until 95/96. Jerry Cantrell uses Friedman and Bogner, Kurt Cobain used the Mesa Studio .22 and Crest Audio 4801 power amps towards the end of Nirvana. Mike Mccready Used the three channel Dual rectifier which came out in 2000/2001 now uses Fender and Marshalls and the other Pearljam guitarist Steve Gossard uses Marshalls and Fenders as far as I know Pearljam has a very "classic" rock sound. By the time the Rev G had come out Grunge was on its way out because the original bands had deaths and other problems. Now to the rectifier I don't think Mesa was trying for a grunge amp. I feel they where on the search for something that would rival their own Mark series and change tone for years to come and that was the Dual Rectifier its American Metal tone. The 3 channel with its few faults itself is still an amazing amp and you can get a wide variety of tones from it in some ways its my favorite of the Rectifier series. However it was made to have a modern metal tone and a clean channel even though mesa had the Marks they did not think a 2 channel amp would last very long in the market with how many different kinds of music was out at the time hence the three channel. When it comes to mesa if you don't like it then I believe you need to get some help dialing it in before I sold my three channel (2003) I was still learning about it. Sorry to babble but I just don't understand why people think a rectifier is just for grunge or nu metal it can do sooo much more just mu 2 cents guys cheers : )

 

[jkdsteve]

Soldano VS Recto vs 5150? lol!!

It's like we got hit by a time warp...heh!

 

[prsplayer86]

This has been talked about and referenced on the forum before, but for anyone who doesn't know, this entire album has a 2-channel Dual Rectifier (rack mount) all over it.

My favorite rectifier tone ever!

 

[Racerxrated]

That's a great album. I believe Reb Beach also used rectos on the last 2 Winger albums...nice tone there....