The Blazing Saddle
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Dan Gleesak
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This is not making any sense to me Dan.I suppose you may have left this thread. I've always tried to give you the benefit of the doubt - but I'm not sure I'll ever be able to do that again. The statements in bold are just mind numbing to me. Don't worry about responding. It won't make any difference. The only thing that you could say that would make any sense would be if you told me you were laying on a thick coat of sarcasm.
For myself, my family migrated here to the United States of America legally. Most came from Germany about 250 years ago. They traveled to Nebraska and built farms. I also have a little Native American Indian in me. My grandfather went on to college and became the Chief Editor of a medium sized city newspaper after serving in WWII. My other grandfather was in the Navy at that time as well. So these grandfathers decided to have kids that went on to have kids (me). So when you say I (someone) doesn't have more of a right to be here than an illegal immigrant or that I (we) did nothing to enjoy the privilege of being an American is fricken obtuse. I may not have served in the military but I pay a shit ton of taxes. Tax on sales commissions are almost 40%. That's my reward being successful.
That's not a question BTW.
Military occupation is a pretty strong interpretation and a mischaracterization IMO. So State and Fed govs are supposed to stand down? If what @watson503 posted this morning is correct, I don't know how anyone can defend people attacking ICE/Nat Guard for tracking down those who are here illegally. These people have been given plenty of warning and plenty of chances to leave on their own. There's an app for that.
The point I was trying to make was that people who were born here, like myself, generally don’t have any clue what it takes to become a citizen here in modern times. We were just born here. So sure, technically it is a birth right to be an American Citizen, BUT people from other countries have a right to come here and be citizens and enjoy our rights just the same.
I never said that we should just “let everyone in”, I am only sympathetic to the monumental effort involved in becoming a citizen, and that the system to document these people needs to be improved. If people’s main offense to immigrants being here is that they are illegal, why not make the system better so that they can be here legally? Makes sense doesn’t it? If people have other reasons to not want them here, that’s fine too but let’s have that conversation instead of hiding behind the veil of “but it’s illegal!”. To me that screams thinly veiled bigotry.
Immigration law is very complex and the language we use to describe it makes it even more complicated. We say things like “they entered the country illegally”, but it’s very clear in the law that doing so is not a criminal offense. You are not a criminal for entering the country “illegally”. It is a misdemeanor, and there are no other instances that I can think of where people consider others “criminals” for committing a misdemeanor.
The original point I tried to make in this thread about ICE is that deportation is a CIVIL penalty. So again think of other civil offenses that you know of, and understand that the way ICE is carrying out their raids for immigration, could soon be carried out the same way for other CIVIL offenses.
That is a slippery slope and should be scary for Americans.
Wizard of Ozz
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midnightlaundry
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Killcrop
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California leaders are asking Trump to recall the National Guard. I don’t live in LA but I would think the actual legal citizens would want the National Guard there. This should finish off the democrats in a State turning more red every day.
Floyd Eye
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Dan on the 20% side as usual.
Findthetone1
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Because American citizens, born here, or legal immigrants, want laws enforced, it makes them bigots? GMAFB
Dan Gleesak
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Because American citizens, born here, or legal immigrants, want laws enforced, it makes them bigots? GMAFB
If your only issue with them is that they are here illegally, why isn’t making a better way to be here legal a viable option for you?
Or to put it another way:
Why is deporting them a preferable option to you instead of helping them be here legally?
People do illegal shit all the time, so crying “it’s illegal” is a absolute cop out in my opinion
I shouldn’t have to say this, but it seems like I still do. I’m not saying everyone should just be given citizenship because they want it. Screening should be mandatory for sure, but the amount of hurdles to complete the process is astounding
Findthetone1
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Find anywhere where I posted that the process shouldn't be overhauled. Just because the system needs work, is not an excuse for people to be in this country illegally. You simply cannot snap your fingers and fix things with the level of disfunction in American politics the last 20+ years. Furthermore, there are way too many Americans deserving of help before people from another country. That, I have posted before.
Your argument is weak, has no merit, and is nothing but a reason for you to perpetuate an argument just for the sake of it.
I'd say that's why you have never answered my question.....troll.
Dan Gleesak
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If I knew what question you were talking about I’d be happy to answer it.
I stand by my argument in this instance 100% it’s a blanket statement so if course their will be exceptions, but based on other posts by some members here, I’m confident that bigotry and ignorance is their motive.
The~Kid
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Thanks for calling everyone a bigot and ignorant.......jeez......
I mean whats next
Findthetone1
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I asked and re-asked several times. You avoided it. On purpose. Go find it. Your confidence is a blanket assumption based on ignorance.
What state do you even live in?
Dan Gleesak
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Thanks for calling everyone a bigot and ingnorant.......
I mean whats next
When I say things like “of course there will be exceptions” most people would conclude that I’m not referring to “everyone”
Then when I go on to say “some members here” it should really be clear that I’m not referring to “everyone”
Fuck yall are jumpy lol.
Then again such behavior is often indicative of a guilty conscience….
Dan Gleesak
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I live in Massachusetts.
See if ya ask a question I’ll happily answer it.
Unfortunately I get bombarded with dumb shit here and I can’t keep track of all of it
MadAsAHatter
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Deporting people who crossed the border illegally; regardless of their reason for coming, is equivalent to the doorman at the concert saying "I saw you cut in front, now get to the back of the line." I'm sure this concept will make no sense to Dan though. He's operating well past 90 degrees.
The~Kid
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You just straight up called others who disagree with you on points of views bigots and ignorant.....
Is this what they teach in Woke 101 on Facebook/Youtube/TikTok now, talk about intolerance and par for the course with 2025 Wokes
Dan Gleesak
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You just straight up called others who disagree with you bigots and ignorant.....
Is this what they teach in Woke 101 on Facebook/Youtube/TikTok now, talk about intolerance and par for the course with 2025 Wokes
lol that is not what I said at all. I said very specifically what I thought was bigoted, and then even said there were exceptions. How is this so confusing to people? this is why I don’t take anything yall say seriously lol
The~Kid
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Logic>Woke Logic.......
I mean jeez talk about a guilty conscious....
But hey Im not the one who calls people ignorant bigots for simply having a different point of view so what would I know. Im not as hip as you are apparently...... and well your just too hip for me my guy and whos got time for that noise anyways
Dan Gleesak
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Logic>Woke Logic.......
I mean jeez talk about a guilty conscious....
But hey Im not the one who calls people ignorant bigots for simply having a different point of view so what would I know. Im not as hip as you are apparently...... and well your just too hip for me my guy and whos got time for that noise anyways
Fucksakes lol