IS it Cameron or the amp?

[ejecta]

im not so sure about that. thats like saying someone that records a song and it sound like yngwie that it doesnt sound like when your in the room with him. i see what you are saying i just dont agree with the extreme that its being taken too.

That's fine and no offense because your clips do sound like a good VH tone but my many experiences with listening to clips and then playing the actual amp by far tell me that clips are IMHO 90% useless.

 

[rockstah]

i hear ya, none taken and its fair to say for sure, i guess.... i would go with 50/50 myself... BUT i'm sure i have a pretty good idea of what Mark's amps sound like form the clips even if they are being chopped up by an iphone.

Mark

 

[Anonymous]

Please don't underestimate the difference a guitar and its pickups make. Staggering....

I guess Mark's and Dave's guitars are keepers!

Just to expand on my point. The variance in guitars/pickups/strings/picks/speakers/cab/cables/player has to be 100 fold vs the variance in a well produced line of amplifiers.

Get Rockstah on one and I bet without much fuss he could make it sound brown.

i would tend to agree although if i'm hearing correctly it has 4 gain stages and wonder if it would get the true open clankiness of ed's tone especially in the bass notes. don't get me wrong here, i think Mark's amps sound great but i have have never been able to get that sound with 4 stages... hey Mark!, no cathode follower or is there an extra tube?

as for the, is it the amp or the player i think i can speak for Mark as well as myself and any other tone/amp builder... when you are building a tool for tone it goes hand in hand. you have to be able to play and it has to be able to deliver what you play. Edward would sound like himself on a fender twin but he would need what he used to reproduce Eruption as we know it.

Mark

The CCV does not have 4 gain stages. Both channels are 3 and a cathode follower...

Steve

 

[rockstah]

really? i could have sworn he did what splawn does and got rid of that CF.

Mark

 

[Anonymous]

really? i could have sworn he did what splawn does and got rid of that CF.

Mark

Well... I owned one and I can confirm that isn't the case. The extra gain is coming from the clipping circuit... There are just minor component changes from a typical Marshall preamp other than that. The power circuit is different too. If you put "Gain Style" in the middle position, which means no clipping, the amp is very Marshally, lower gain... Plenty of VH tones to be had...

Steve

 

[thiswaythatway]

The best Camerons that I have ever played were his Modded Marshalls. The CCV's, while cool, werent in the same ball park IMHO...

And hell yeah, Mark Cameron can tear it up...

+1. Probably because they're Marshall's.

+2

Sold my CCV and still have my HG/LG Jose JMP 2203...it is truly my desert island amp

Would love to hear your amp sometime.

I'm sure you have already since it's been passed around like an 80's slut backstage after a Motley Crue show. I sold it to him but I think JB made clips of it when he owned it. I think I had sloppy 7th's on it.

 

[Anonymous]

The best Camerons that I have ever played were his Modded Marshalls. The CCV's, while cool, werent in the same ball park IMHO...

And hell yeah, Mark Cameron can tear it up...

+1. Probably because they're Marshall's.

+2

Sold my CCV and still have my HG/LG Jose JMP 2203...it is truly my desert island amp

Would love to hear your amp sometime.

I'm sure you have already since it's been passed around like an 80's slut backstage after a Motley Crue show. I sold it to him but I think JB made clips of it when he owned it. I think I had sloppy 7th's on it.

Those clips JB made are what led to me building my own amp. That tone just destroyed. No one would sell/ trade me a mod and the CCV was also impossible to get. I just said screw it, I'm gonna do my take on this style of amp...

I'm glad someone finally got JBs amp who appreciates it and is gonna keep it. Amazing sounding amp...

Steve

 

[ejecta]

really? i could have sworn he did what splawn does and got rid of that CF.

Mark

Well... I owned one and I can confirm that isn't the case. The extra gain is coming from the clipping circuit... There are just minor component changes from a typical Marshall preamp other than that. The power circuit is different too. If you put "Gain Style" in the middle position, which means no clipping, the amp is very Marshally, lower gain... Plenty of VH tones to be had...

Steve

So in a way it's kinda like an amp that was fine tuned to a built in pedal since the extra gain is solid state not tube?

 

[Anonymous]

really? i could have sworn he did what splawn does and got rid of that CF.

Mark

Well... I owned one and I can confirm that isn't the case. The extra gain is coming from the clipping circuit... There are just minor component changes from a typical Marshall preamp other than that. The power circuit is different too. If you put "Gain Style" in the middle position, which means no clipping, the amp is very Marshally, lower gain... Plenty of VH tones to be had...

Steve

So in a way it's kinda like an amp that was fine tuned to a built in pedal since the extra gain is solid state not tube?

In a way... although the placement of the solid state clipping circuit has something to do with the sound of the amp and you would not get that same sound with a pedal pushing the front. In the CCV, it's kind of like having three switchable solid state clipping "pedal" stages with two clipping settings (hot and hotter) and an off position (one on each channel master and one on the solo master). This is all Mark's take on the "Jose Master" that everyone talks about.

Steve

 

[ejecta]

really? i could have sworn he did what splawn does and got rid of that CF.

Mark

Well... I owned one and I can confirm that isn't the case. The extra gain is coming from the clipping circuit... There are just minor component changes from a typical Marshall preamp other than that. The power circuit is different too. If you put "Gain Style" in the middle position, which means no clipping, the amp is very Marshally, lower gain... Plenty of VH tones to be had...

Steve

So in a way it's kinda like an amp that was fine tuned to a built in pedal since the extra gain is solid state not tube?

In a way... although the placement of the solid state clipping circuit has something to do with the sound of the amp and you would not get that same sound with a pedal pushing the front. In the CCV, it's kind of like having three switchable solid state clipping "pedal" stages with two clipping settings (hot and hotter) and an off position (one on each channel master and one on the solo master). This is all Mark's take on the "Jose Master" that everyone talks about.

Steve

Thanks for the info. Did the original Jose Master do solid state clipping?

 

[Anonymous]

really? i could have sworn he did what splawn does and got rid of that CF.

Mark

Well... I owned one and I can confirm that isn't the case. The extra gain is coming from the clipping circuit... There are just minor component changes from a typical Marshall preamp other than that. The power circuit is different too. If you put "Gain Style" in the middle position, which means no clipping, the amp is very Marshally, lower gain... Plenty of VH tones to be had...

Steve

So in a way it's kinda like an amp that was fine tuned to a built in pedal since the extra gain is solid state not tube?

In a way... although the placement of the solid state clipping circuit has something to do with the sound of the amp and you would not get that same sound with a pedal pushing the front. In the CCV, it's kind of like having three switchable solid state clipping "pedal" stages with two clipping settings (hot and hotter) and an off position (one on each channel master and one on the solo master). This is all Mark's take on the "Jose Master" that everyone talks about.

Steve

Thanks for the info. Did the original Jose Master do solid state clipping?

Many of his mods did, including the two I had him do back in then day. Push/pull masters with on/off for the clipping. The masters are also pre-tone stack - not like a normal post-tone stack master - sounds different even with the clipping not engaged. Not all of his mods had this feature though... He did a lot of different stuff...

Steve

 

[Shiny_Surface]

Thanks for the info. Did the original Jose Master do solid state clipping?

Trace told me the saturation (clipping) switch mod was Jose's idea of making the amp easier to practice on at lower volumes with more gain (the switch drops the volume down as well).

Don't know if that's what others have said...

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the info. Did the original Jose Master do solid state clipping?

Trace told me the saturation (clipping) switch mod was Jose's idea of making the amp easier to practice on at lower volumes with more gain (the switch drops the volume down as well).

Don't know if that's what others have said...

I never heard Jose say that when describing the feature to me (although it is a legit way to describe what it does). It was just "more gain, but turn up louder because the circuit reduces the volume initially". Let's just say that my 100 watt amps with his master were still ungodly loud even with the clipping engaged. When I played out, I always had the clipping engaged and the master was never above 5 or 6 and the board guys at the clubs still wanted me to turn down. These were clubs like the Roxy, Whiskey, Country Club which could fit between 1000-2000 people...

Steve

 

[Shiny_Surface]

I never heard Jose say that when describing the feature to me (although it is a legit way to describe what it does). It was just "more gain, but turn up louder because the circuit reduces the volume initially". Let's just say that my 100 watt amps with his master were still ungodly loud even with the clipping engaged. When I played out, I always had the clipping engaged and the master was never above 5 or 6 and the board guys at the clubs still wanted me to turn down. These were clubs like the Roxy, Whiskey, Country Club which could fit between 1000-2000 people...

Steve

Awesome, I would have loved to have been there back then and experienced it firsthand.

 

[steve_k]

Thanks for the info. Did the original Jose Master do solid state clipping?

Trace told me the saturation (clipping) switch mod was Jose's idea of making the amp easier to practice on at lower volumes with more gain (the switch drops the volume down as well).

Don't know if that's what others have said...

Don't know about Jose, and I don't want to jump into the middle of this conversation. But, on the CCV, when you engage the clipping on the master to throw the amp in the Jose mode, the volume drops considerably. For instance, without clipping, the master around 8:00 is about all you could handle. Flip the clipping switch and ride the master up to about 10:00 to get about the same in terms of loudness. But, it throws the amp into a whole other realm of "oh shit" and really brings the goods. At lower volumes, it would be to thin to be anywhere near satisfying.

Steve

 

[Shiny_Surface]

Oh I agree "lower" is still ungodly loud, but it is technically lower in volume. I have to say though it does help a little bit playing at basement volumes when you can't crank it up. A little at least...

I would say the saturation switch on my JMP is about two clicks difference on the master as well if I recall correctly.

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the info. Did the original Jose Master do solid state clipping?

Trace told me the saturation (clipping) switch mod was Jose's idea of making the amp easier to practice on at lower volumes with more gain (the switch drops the volume down as well).

Don't know if that's what others have said...

Don't know about Jose, and I don't want to jump into the middle of this conversation. But, on the CCV, when you engage the clipping on the master to throw the amp in the Jose mode, the volume drops considerably. For instance, without clipping, the master around 8:00 is about all you could handle. Flip the clipping switch and ride the master up to about 10:00 to get about the same in terms of loudness. But, it throws the amp into a whole other realm of "oh shit" and really brings the goods. At lower volumes, it would be to thin to be anywhere near satisfying.

Steve

Yup! Only thing I'd say is there are two "Jose modes" for each master on the CCV. One is hot, the other hotter (more gain). The hotter one reduces the volume even more than the hot mode and loudest is in the middle where the clipping is out of the circuit. That is why it would be useless to make the clipping (Gain Style) modes footswitchable. You'd have to adjust the master every time you switched the modes anyway... that is why having a solo master is so cool. You can select a hotter gain mode for solos and the volume is preset correctly on the solo master...

Steve

 

[Kaleiwahea]

Thanks for the info. Did the original Jose Master do solid state clipping?

Trace told me the saturation (clipping) switch mod was Jose's idea of making the amp easier to practice on at lower volumes with more gain (the switch drops the volume down as well).

Don't know if that's what others have said...

Don't know about Jose, and I don't want to jump into the middle of this conversation. But, on the CCV, when you engage the clipping on the master to throw the amp in the Jose mode, the volume drops considerably. For instance, without clipping, the master around 8:00 is about all you could handle. Flip the clipping switch and ride the master up to about 10:00 to get about the same in terms of loudness. But, it throws the amp into a whole other realm of "oh shit" and really brings the goods. At lower volumes, it would be to thin to be anywhere near satisfying.

Steve

Yup! Only thing I'd say is there are two "Jose modes" for each master on the CCV. One is hot, the other hotter (more gain). The hotter one reduces the volume even more than the hot mode and loudest is in the middle where the clipping is out of the circuit. That is why it would be useless to make the clipping (Gain Style) modes footswitchable. You'd have to adjust the master every time you switched the modes anyway... that is why having a solo master is so cool. You can select a hotter gain mode for solos and the volume is preset correctly on the solo master...

Steve

We should all just play acoustic guitars........