Is it safe to mix brands of power tubes?

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back in the day with tube amps, I'm sure most techs just had a bunch of spare tubes, and replaced bad ones with whatever they had around; i.e., not matching.

that said, those tubes were made to military spec and had more consistency compared to what we have today (new).

I retubed my Super Twin, and got a matched set of six (sextet) of 6L6GC power tubes for consistency because I could. Not sure if it's necessary, as long as each pair is matched, at a minimum.
 
The one thing I forgot to mention and its often a question is what happens to odd order harmonics when tubes are very closely matched. They actually increase, in fact they are summed.
If you go through the math of the transfer curves as a power series (I'll spare you that) even order components on each side of the O/T primary end up equal and opposite out of phase and will effectively cancel and the odd order components end up in phase, so will sum.

Controlling the generation of these different harmonics through all the different stages of an amp is like a recipe. As a builder you create your own recipe that you like and thats part of what gives a brand a signature tone. People obsess over specific brands of components and materials and there is some validity in that for sure, but generation and manipulation of harmonic content, gain and frequency response of every stage is the key to the front door, especially for an overdriven rock / metal amp. In any simulation software like LTSpice or TINA you can design a stage and do a fourier series to see exactly what the harmonic content of that stage will look like as well as a gain and freq response over its entire operating range. You have full control and analysis versus just tweaking out components and doing everything by ear. That part comes later to make any minor changes. This is what actual 'designing' looks like when done using a more traditional engineering approach. I've wandered off at a tangent.

Back to the question at hand, yes mix those tubes up as long as they are not wildly mismatched. You might be suprised with the results.

Just wanted to say thank you for this, it's great information!
 
^ Thanks.

Hope BAB doesn't mind but what is your opinion of JJ power tubes and JJ preamp tubes. I'm specifically asking about EL34s, EL34 IIs, EL34Ls and then 12AX7s and any 5751 variant. I'm asking because people dog on them a lot but I've had nothing but great results, including their 6L6s. Again, I'm not a tube expert but anytime I try a different brand - I'm left disappointed (minus NOS of course). So this is more of new production question I suppose.

Am I possibly experiencing confirmation bias and my brain is telling me they are not as good?

I always keep going back to JJ, but keep in mind that I've only had tried a few brands over the years (JJ, EH, TungSol, Psvane).

With the preamp tubes, I've found they have a little more gain than some other brands like EH or Psvane. They are slightly darker, but not muddy. They work really well in Mesa Mark amps because the tone is slightly darker, but only a smidge. EH I find slightly brighter, but a little less gain. Psvane are similar to my ears, but not exact. Maybe I just got a bad batch, but I didn't like TungSol in my V1 or V2 preamp slot.

With power amps, it's much simpler because I can't hear much of a difference in tone or brightness. The JJ EL34II does have a little more lower end and maybe a little more low mids, but it's not a big difference from the standard JJ EL34. EH EL34s sound great to me and I can't really tell a difference from the JJ EL34 power tubes.

The next preamp tube I want to try are, well... I forgot the model, but I will post it later.

Also, be careful about ordering preamp tubes from Amazon. I bought a few and later found out that they were weak performing. They do not test them as well as say Eurotubes does.
 
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