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I think those big stadium shows are pretty boring. I mean who here is going to go nuts screaming like a teenage girl seeing 60 year old dudes from a quarter mile away playing songs that have been drilled into your head for the past 30 years? That being said I saw Megadeth in a 1500 seat theater last month and you would think the roof was going to come off that fucker and people were going absolute batshit crazy,so I think the band and the venue makes a big difference.
I agree that it all depends on the band. Back when record companies signed musicians who wrote great songs, it made people really want to see them live.
I saw U2 last summer in a stadium. That's the first time I've seen them since the Joshua Tree tour. It was incredible. Brought it all back, from a time when people wrote songs that mattered, that actually connected with people.
I agree.
I like cookies. I can't understand or connect with Cookie Monster vocals.
Edge had the ability to play notes and chords too. Not too much of a drop Z drone a note or 5 kind of player. No Hendrix, but still had cool sounding stuff. Boy was a cool old song.
I also think the high comfort level with stealing by so-called fans matters. People bitch about the state of music, then rip off artists by downloading the music. So yeah, dedicate your life to being a musician, buy a ton of gear, tour your life away....for my entertainment....then I will say fuck you and steal all your had work.
Some Fans helped kill off music. I wonder how many bitching about the state of modern music have stolen music in their possession?
I'm with you on the stealing music thing. I'm proud to say I don't have any. I'll listen to a song on YouTube, and if I like it, I buy it. And not just one song. I buy the CD. I can't stand the crappy quality of downloads.
Agree. Proud to say, I don't have any stolen music. Of course, I haven't heard anything since about 91' worth stealing.
Did you ever have a cassette copy of an album? Back in the day we traded tapes all the time. I do understand the difference but I suspect 90% or more of the music lovers over 40 had copies of albums they didn't buy.
The real source of the problem was/is record company and radio station greed. In the 80's they saw how much money could be made by over saturating the public with whatever music was popular. Radio stations started buying blocks of music from the record companies of bundled music that was designed to attract a specific audience so advertising is more effective and then more profitable. That is why the hair metal scene collapsed so fast. There were a lot of bands writing quality songs in the early 90's but when the record companies decided the money was in grunge music, heavy music, hair metal was dead. This has been repeated over and over in all genres since, that is the #1 reason we are were we are.
Bands today do not have the long term backing and support to develop, so the product (in most cases) delivered to the consumer is weak and does not have much perceived value. This is what led to file sharing and the mess we have today.
If we somehow could get record companies and radio stations to behave like they did from 1966-94 ish record sales would go up through the roof (Yes I realize there were big problems then too). There will always be file sharing but there will also be incentive to buy your own copy of the music just like in the album/cassette days.
Otherwise the Internet will continue to be the great leveler in the music world. Over the air broadcast stations are being replaced by narrow casters that focus on specific genres. I personally like this way but it reduces the chance of an artist breaking big on a national or global scale to 0.
Thanks for the insights. I like the gear talk, and the living rock history pictures shared here. There are so many facets to music and then the beast called the industry.
I had cassette recordings of albums I had to play in the car or take to a friends for practice or going to the lake at night. I may have had a tape of something that was not al album I had... Maybe a rare few.
But iTunes is a great music store. The search lets you find way more artists in a type of music than spending hours looking at album covers in a music store.
I have always loved rock,metal, blues and played with friends and bought albums and supported friends in the biz. I am extremely lucky to have a friend that is in the dreaded RRHOF, and go jam at his place on the lake once every month or so. I just love music and it has a place in my life and my kids life now. The way some have helped kill it off makes me sad. Of course greedy record companies own the excesses that helped cause public numbing to rock and metal for a while. But on the flip side, there are bands wanting to hit that commercial success. They just want to do it and feel good about themselves in the process. I know some that compare that to an aspiring actress that gets into porn as a way to be discovered, and tells herself what she need to hear to feel good about it. I don't agree with that necessarily. Sometimes it is the ugly truth. It is a different perspective from talking to someone on the other side. The funniest thing is having this person say, you are good enough to make it, you just have to write the song. Millions of players, only a handful of great songwriters.
But it is on the way back in. As you said it will be influenced by what the media promotes. I guess if a person has the goal of being in an arena group, you gotta play the stuff for people that will fill an arena, for the arena promoters, and tickling the cultural fancy. We had never talked about the music blocks being sold to radio stations before. I did not know that. Makes sense.
Always cool to hang on Rig Talk and learn about the history and culture of this metal phenomenon. It may not be the most popular, but it will not die.
