It's time to buy another amp...which one??

[bste328]

I've been in love with my mark IV for almost a 8 months now but every time i go to rehearsal i get frustrated cause my buddy dual rect has a more aggressive sound and it definately BIGGER.

now mark IV sounds awesome by its own but for my needs i find it to lack bottom end...or at least i need more!

i need i tight metal sound (imagine Disturbed Live sound) with lots of bottom end and highs that cut through and raw tone too (i don't like smooth tones, i fact my eq on the mark IV was really one of a kind). I like the tone to be less copressed as possible, i'd like to have a really open sound.

price tag is kinda 2000€, i'm in europe so bogner, mesa and diezel are in the same pricetag

i'm torn between diezel herbert, vh4, uberschall and recto series....

what do you guys suggest?

i can go and try all these heads but not at once...

 

[Tawlks]

2 channel Duel Recto, boosted if you like.

 

[snowdog]

Hmm, never heard of a MKIV lacking bottom end, mine has more than you can use. What cab/speakers are you using ?

 

[JakeAC5253]

Are you sure it isn't just tone envy? I was playing on a Marshall JCM 800 through a vintage Marshall cab once, and I was having a little playoff between me and the guy around the corner. He was a natural shredder so he stomped on my rhythm playing and shoddy pseudo/rock riffage. I actually began to think that his tone was better than mine, but when I went around the corner he was plugged into a Line 6 combo amp

If you are using the Recto slant cab then you may get a little more projection and a little more focused bass by grabbing the Recto straight instead. Either way it's splitting hairs really. The Dual Recto is one of the most bassy amps ever created for the elcetric guitar, but only so much bass is usable, especially live. When I play on a Recto I usually keep the bass knob around 2 to keep it tight, seriously that low. a 5150/6505 NOT II/+ is very low mid focused and should sound louder, more powerful, and more 'alive' than your buddy's recto at stage volume. I can say the same thing about the ENGL Blackmore. They are both amps that love being turned up and really allowed to breathe. Mesa's tend to not do so well when pushed under high gain.

My honest to god recommendation would be to try tweaking your EQ a little more, Mesa's tonestack is interdependent. If you change one setting it affects the entire EQ curve of the output signal and not just the given band. A little food for thought. Just make sure that you are buying a new amp because you WANT to and not just because you want to prove your tool is larger than your buddies.

 

[gbsmusic]

HERBERT!!!!!!!!!!! Thats it, end of subject

 

[bste328]

2 channel Duel Recto, boosted if you like.

i prefer to go with a newer and more recent amp than an old 2 channel! my choice though...

 

[bste328]

Hmm, never heard of a MKIV lacking bottom end, mine has more than you can use. What cab/speakers are you using ?

every cab i find in rehearsal space...sometimes could be a standard 1960a sometimes a mesa...mine is a mesa recto standard oversize with v30s

consider that everytime we play we both have the same cab

 

[bste328]

Are you sure it isn't just tone envy?

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My honest to god recommendation would be to try tweaking your EQ a little more, Mesa's tonestack is interdependent. If you change one setting it affects the entire EQ curve of the output signal and not just the given band. A little food for thought. Just make sure that you are buying a new amp because you WANT to and not just because you want to prove your tool is larger than your buddies.

that's not the problem, for real! the recto my buddy has was mine, had it in a trade and sold a minute later to him, and i really tried every combination of eq with my amp! i didn't say that i don't like the mark IV, but really i like a more razor-like type of sound...i found it too smooth and lacking of low end...i mean when i plug my guitar (jackson ke2 with emg 81s, drop C tuning) in my markIV i'm not hearing the tone i'm searching....event though the mark is really an awesome amp! i can go from jazz to hard rock to metal in an heartbeat but it can't do EVERYTHING...

but when i plug into the dual rec i get a wall of sound jsut on my own...just i little too loose (not too much) but that's nearer to the tone i have in my head for sure...

ps: the best tone i found out with the mark IV was playing alone, but when i'm playing with my band i disappear in the mix...goddamn....(my eq is like: bass 1, mid 7, treble 9, presence 6, pull fat, pull bright, graphic eq with the usual V)

that's because i'm searching for new amp...i found out that it's not what i need the most...

 

[chunktone]

I'd go with a Herbert. Uberschall's are great too, but if they are the same price in Europe, I'd go with the Herbert. I really like the Uber, but the Herbert has a lot more features.

 

[bste328]

I'd go with a Herbert. Uberschall's are great too, but if they are the same price in Europe, I'd go with the Herbert. I really like the Uber, but the Herbert has a lot more features.

from the thousands clips i've heard on the net i found out that the vh4 and herbert are the most compressed and smooth of the amo i've listed....isn't it?

i never tried one though...it's really a shot in the dark, but before i'm buying again i'm gonna try it first! but as i said before i'm able to play every amp but at once, in different stores, far away from my hometown (3hrs)

 

[glassjaw7]

Dan from Disturbed uses an XTC 101B mixed with his custom Randall module.

 

[bste328]

Dan from Disturbed uses an XTC 101B mixed with his custom Randall module.

i thought he uses the XTC just for recording solos

 

[Dimebag11]

I'd go Titan....as much as I loved my Herbert...in a band mix, it got crushed by a lot of amps....

 

[thiswaythatway]

I'd go Titan....as much as I loved my Herbert...in a band mix, it got crushed by a lot of amps....

 

[Death by Uberschall]

If they all cost the same, get the Herbert 1st, Uberschall 2nd.

 

[155]

I'd go Titan....as much as I loved my Herbert...in a band mix, it got crushed by a lot of amps....

thats not what I wanted to hear....

 

[Dimebag11]

I'd go Titan....as much as I loved my Herbert...in a band mix, it got crushed by a lot of amps....

thats not what I wanted to hear....

Trust me I was bummed too....a Laney just dominated me in a band mix....and I was pretty cranked too.....

 

[thiswaythatway]

I'd go Titan....as much as I loved my Herbert...in a band mix, it got crushed by a lot of amps....

thats not what I wanted to hear....

Trust me I was bummed too....a Laney just dominated me in a band mix....and I was pretty cranked too.....

 

[9ball]

save some cash for other gear and buy a JCM 2000 and get it FJA modded and put KT77's in it and your choice of pre amp tubes. i have lower gain preamp tubes in mine.
i play mine through a vintage 1960 and it cuts through a mix like a mother i run it with the deep switch on and the bass on about 2.75 so i don't drown out the bass lol
i love it. good workhorse amp. different guitars sound different through it, it's capable of getting more than just a couple of different sounds, has a great clean channel, and doesn't really cost a whole lot.
i took the marshall emblem off of mine to make it look like even more of a piece of shit so people won't want to fuck with it - lol - i get compliments on it quite a bit about how it sounds.

 

[peterc52]

I'd go Titan....as much as I loved my Herbert...in a band mix, it got crushed by a lot of amps....

thats not what I wanted to hear....

Trust me I was bummed too....a Laney just dominated me in a band mix....and I was pretty cranked too.....

Do you know where to find some clips/videos of the Titan?