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[MadAsAHatter]

Hear me out. Because it seems like you've taken it upon yourself to be the leader in ridding the board of people you don't like. In the past, I felt like you acted in a similar way towards me when Lisa, who hated me without cause, tried to run me outta here. So I was perceiving gatekeeping as your track record, like you probably perceive being a contrarian as mine, because I am and it is.

I hear you on your POV. I call people out on there "shit"; call it a personality quirk, but I never have the intention of trying to keep people out or run them off. Words don't always translate properly when they're typed vs spoken. Can you give me some examples of things I've said that may be perceived as gatekeeping?

"I say he needs to take the steps". You want peace, on your terms, when you say. That's not peace, that's you setting the terms of a ceasefire and expecting him to agree to it. Knowing Daniel, that's laughable and will only spur him on. If you really want peace you'll have to be the one to make it, 100%. He's not able to let anything go. Are you?

That's not peace on my terms when I say. That's actually putting the ball completely in his court and simply requesting a coming to the table. And peace can't be made when one party continues to attack unprovoked. I guess you were right he lacks conflict resolution skills and can't let anything go. As I'm typing this he responded to my OP calling me an asshole and a second unprovoked post with more insults. As a show of good faith I'll take the road of not responding to that and see where it leads. Hopefully he can exhibit the same maturity. Ball's in his court on what to comes next.

Apologies for my error, I took it as related to some remarks about his Princeton and what not.

No worries.

 

[Findthetone1]

I call people out on there "shit"

A lost form of communication, and the reason this world is the way it is now. Sometimes, people need to be told they are dumbasses.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

A lost form of communication, and the reason this world is the way it is now. Sometimes, people need to be told they are dumbasses.

Ain't that the truth. Sometimes the kid gloves have to come off and people just need a proverbial smack across the head.

I know I call people out and expect the same in return if/when I'm getting out of line.

 

[VonBonfire]

I hear you on your POV. I call people out on there "shit"; call it a personality quirk, but I never have the intention of trying to keep people out or run them off. Words don't always translate properly when they're typed vs spoken. Can you give me some examples of things I've said that may be perceived as gatekeeping?

I don't have any quotes saved or anything, it's just based on our past interactions. Tbh if I want to cast real blame I need to look in the mirror since I have to acknowledge my own inclination to get chippy with people who are getting chippy with me.

That's not peace on my terms when I say. That's actually putting the ball completely in his court and simply requesting a coming to the table. And peace can't be made when one party continues to attack unprovoked. I guess you were right he lacks conflict resolution skills and can't let anything go. As I'm typing this he responded to my OP calling me an asshole and a second unprovoked post with more insults. As a show of good faith I'll take the road of not responding to that and see where it leads. Hopefully he can exhibit the same maturity. Ball's in his court on what to comes next.

I think he has to become self aware of what he has chosen to throw away i.e the chance to make friends with some great people. He has to figure out "hey, I don't want to be like this with everyone my whole life over petty stuff I have no control over anyhow". That takes time. Often a lot of time. Some people do not recognize this until they are on a death bed. Your offer is good then, but he's not ready for it. My suggestion is to let the offer stand for as long as necessary.

Let me say this then; You are one of a few guys I haven't gotten along great with here. I would really like to see that change going forward so I am going to take steps to hopefully make our future interactions more positive in nature regardless of whether you will appreciate my efforts or not and regardless of whether you choose to reciprocate. It's not a guarantee of perfection but it's a guarantee I will try and hopefully that counts for something.

 

[lol]

The kid doesn't need to save for retirement. He'll get drafted and shipped off to Iran in the front lines so can blast those Nazi Gypsy anti Semite woketard rag head goat fuckers. purple heart will have him set for life.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

I don't have any quotes saved or anything, it's just based on our past interactions. Tbh if I want to cast real blame I need to look in the mirror since I have to acknowledge my own inclination to get chippy with people who are getting chippy with me.

That's fine if you don't have direct examples. I was thinking the way I phrased things may not have come off correctly through written word; be more mindful so things don't come off as gatekeeping.

I think he has to become self aware of what he has chosen to throw away i.e the chance to make friends with some great people. He has to figure out "hey, I don't want to be like this with everyone my whole life over petty stuff I have no control over anyhow". That takes time. Often a lot of time. Some people do not recognize this until they are on a death bed. Your offer is good then, but he's not ready for it. My suggestion is to let the offer stand for as long as necessary.

The offer and opportunity will always be there for him if he's ever has the realization and is ready. I'll back off and try to be more civil to him, but if he insists on continuing to act the way he does there's no guarantee on how long that will last. So unfortunately no expectations that things will change.

Let me say this then; You are one of a few guys I haven't gotten along great with here. I would really like to see that change going forward so I am going to take steps to hopefully make our future interactions more positive in nature regardless of whether you will appreciate my efforts or not and regardless of whether you choose to reciprocate. It's not a guarantee of perfection but it's a guarantee I will try and hopefully that counts for something.

We butt heads from time to time; and it's for a very specific reason I won't mention here, but overall I think our interactions are mostly positive. It's not like you're a hated enemy or anything. As shown here we can easily hold a civil and respectful conversation. That can be carried forward.

 

[IndyWS6]

I’ll add this and, for clarity, it’s not a “jab” or an effort to reignite anything. I appreciate VBF’s latest responses, but (stick with me…), the “pass” that he gives to Kid for not being old enough or mature enough to accept the olive branches that have been repeatedly offered falls flat for me. I’m guessing he’s in his 30’s, is that close? Inappropriate social interactions at that age are a choice. You don’t need to be 50 or on your death bed to intrinsically know how to politely interact with others. I’ll admit I’ve said things to him I wish I hadn’t - and I’ve been backing away from - but none of that was first strike material. It’s not an excuse, but people ultimately get treated in a manner proportionate to how they treat others…

 

[Speeddemon]

He's younger. Younger people are more idealistic, and generally have more fighting strength than someone 20 years their senior, meaning they are more likely to be combative.

Being combative is one thing, but the constant left-field insult hurling gets real tired real fast. And you're disengenuous if you seriously feel that the attacked party needs to keep shrugging that off for a supposed age-difference. I've seen his video's, the dude is maybe 10-15 years younger than me at most. Sure, I was more combative 15 years ago too, but one can only sling random, uncalled-for insults for so long, before one has burned ALL bridges.

And if he rather labels everyone that doesn't see eye to eye with him a 'RINO'/woketard/nazi Disney gypsy/etc. instead of engaging in meaningful discussion OR just acknowledging the fact, that it's beyond his comprehension, then the fault lies somewhere else than for the antagonized to be the bigger man.
Let him fall on his face, let him fuck up in life. Let him lose friends. Those are among the quickest lessons to adulthood, probably right below losing your parents young or getting kids.

 

[VonBonfire]

the “pass” that he gives to Kid for not being old enough or mature enough to accept the olive branches that have been repeatedly offered falls flat for me.

I'm not giving him a pass as much as making a realistic observation that he either can't or just chooses to not be more reasonable. I suspect in his case there is something going on that actually prevents him from doing so. It's not an excuse for what he's doing as much as I think it's just a reality. It doesn't pay to get angry with a person who shits their pants when they are incontinent.

Being combative is one thing, but the constant left-field insult hurling gets real tired real fast. And you're disengenuous if you seriously feel that the attacked party needs to keep shrugging that off for a supposed age-difference

You guys are welcome to go tit for tat with him. I've already said I'm done since I tried to reason with him as a friend to no real effect. I don't think anyone needs to shrug off his insults but the shit show has been ongoing and has it solved anything? It has not.

Imo if you really want to make the biggest statement I think completely ignoring everything he says and does is going to be the most effective way of handling it. You can't have mortal combat with only one combatant. As I said to Hatter earlier, I'm not making any judgments on how people choose to handle it. I'm not wasting any more time with the situation. Do as you see fit.

 

[Speeddemon]

I don't think anyone needs to shrug off his insults but the shit show has been ongoing and has it solved anything? It has not.

One of the reasons for that, is something we see world wide.
No accountability.

Politicians get away with it, asshole companies get away with it. "So what if we invaded your privacy and sold your personal data for our profit? Or keep your kids addicted to half/full gambling repackaged as a fun, innocent game. Destroy their self-worth, create social anxiety, distrust, etc.
Sure, we'll pay the 2 billion fine...that's pocket change for us. And we'll just continue."

And some asshole that kept calling everyone around him a 'nazi' for
a) the fun of it
b) a lack of knowledge for better, more apt insults
c) a lack of knowledge about what being a real nazi actually entices/enticed 80-85 years ago

would be punched in the face .... a lot, back in the day.
And by the 4th time he called someone a nazi and was recollecting his teeth *again*... from the sidewalk, he might've learned something.

No longer these days...

 

[VonBonfire]

would be punched in the face .... a lot, back in the day. And by the 4th time he called someone a nazi and was recollecting his teeth from the sidewalk, he might've learned something.

Yes, there is some truth to what you say. I feel like I might've saved a couple people's lives back in the day by punching them right in the face for saying stupid stuff or threatening me without a just cause. A hands-on learning experience. There was definitely more accountability for one's vocabulary in those days. The downside is you could be saying what was true and right and still have to eat punches for it.

 

[84superchamp]

You're missing one important (imo) point of these exchanges; seeing the kid repeatedly put in his place by people smarter than he is and have him sputtering inane insults as a result, has an entertainment aspect. He deserves what he gets...he asks for it and he gets it. Things will change when he changes.

 

[VonBonfire]

Things will change when he changes.

Agreed, but I won't hold my breath.

 

[The~Kid]

You're missing one important (imo) point of these exchanges; seeing the kid repeatedly put in his place by people smarter than he is and have him sputtering inane insults as a result, has an entertainment aspect. He deserves what he gets...he asks for it and he gets it. Things will change when he changes.

There really isn't a whole lot here smarter than me and that is the sad part and truth.....

Monkey Man and Lisa and people like that Mach70 and some others but when it comes to AssHatter and some of these other loser rejects they aren't even smarter than a junior high schooler......


I'm not going to change and well maybe the stupid people like Hatter should.... And well fuck em. They aren't even decent people to begin with.

 

[The~Kid]

Member how Hatter was about Lindsay Clancy........


And his opinions on that or how much a douchebag he was on that entire topic..... When he is supposed to be a conservative or a Trump voter......


GTFOH and what a POS and traitor IMO. May as well be a Pink Pussy Hat TGP faggot.

 

[Speeddemon]

There really isn't a whole lot here smarter than me and that is the sad part and truth.....

 

[VonBonfire]

There really isn't a whole lot here smarter than me and that is the sad part and truth.....

Monkey Man and Lisa and people like that Mach70 and some others but when it comes to AssHatter and some of these other loser rejects they aren't even smarter than a junior high schooler......


I'm not going to change and well maybe the stupid people like Hatter should.... And well fuck em. They aren't even decent people to begin with.

Kindness>intelligence.

 

[Speeddemon]

Kindness>intelligence.

Yeah, he gives you the thumbs up, but I don't think he gets it... so he lacks both.

Or is calling someone who's repeatedly extending the olive branch
-a loser
-stupid people
-not even decent people
-douchebag
-POS and traitor ...Pink Pussy Hat TGP faggot.

an act of kindness, you think?

 

[The~Kid]

Hey well you go beat super computers and AI and a Billion dollar Industry year after year...... For 4 seasons straight like in my Baseball thread...... The most viewed thread on the forum relative to its pace and time to others.....


Back to back to back to back.


I can actually say I did that and not many others or anyone else can really. Not exactly a walk in the park, easy or something just anyone could do but it was fun

 

[VonBonfire]

Hey well you go beat super computers and AI and a Billion dollar Industry year after year...... For 4 seasons straight like in my Baseball thread...... The most views thread on the forum.....


Back to back to back to back.


I can actually say I did that and not many others or anyone else can really. Not exactly a walk in the park but it was fun

Humility>pride.