I've been offered a Herbert... Should I take it?

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I'd take the cash. You mentioned a couple of things that will be a PAIN IN THE ASS later. I know because I'm in the same boat.

I live in a place where people only know mesas, fenders, marshalls, peavey, randall........ they don't even know what a Diezel is, let alone BELIEVE that an amp can cost that much....... so I'd never dream to sell it here, so leaves me the only option of shipping it.....and it's A LOT of money to do so.......

seriously.....get the cash dude....or you'll lose A LOT of money.
 
glip22":1wvc3wi0 said:
A very important question is how much does she owe you? It may be wiser to take the cash.
I have seen many Herberts selling below 3K used.
Thank you, I kept reading and reading and nobody asked that question, thought I was gonna have to.
 
jcj":3oh73f0i said:
in the end, there's no substitute for personal experience....
I agree %100. :)

Laurens":3oh73f0i said:
I don't care for cleans much, but the Mark V 's cleans are pretty good IMHO. Channel 2 did nothing for me too, whereas channel 3 delivered the high gain tones for me. I traded my Mark V for a Herbert and I regret that. The Herbert is a different animal. In comparison it sounds more compressed. The second channel with the plus setting gets damn heavy. Both are high quality amps. It is just personal preference at this level .Any bad sounds out of any of these two is user error. The Mark V wins for versatility IMHO, you just have to tweak it. BTW, do you need 180 watts of power?
Throughout the past year, I've exclusively played clean through a 1x12 Lonestar combo with all NOS tubes. So I'm probably a bit spoiled when it comes to clean sounds :D

I definitely don't need 180 watts. I probably will never be gigging here, and the amp will be used strictly for recording. Even mic'd, in my experience the wattage does affect the sound. Also, I've always heard that Diezels sounded great at lower volumes.

glip22":3oh73f0i said:
A very important question is how much does she owe you? It may be wiser to take the cash.
I have seen many Herberts selling below 3K used.
She owes me a little over $3500. I think that's a fair price for a Herbie in mint condition. Especially around here, where prices can be ridiculously inflated. That applies more to the US stuff though. Still, we don't have it as bad as the EU folks. I've checked Mesa prices in the UK... :shocked: (I know the UK is not in the EU :))

Joeytpg":3oh73f0i said:
I live in a place where people only know mesas, fenders, marshalls, peavey, randall........ they don't even know what a Diezel is, let alone BELIEVE that an amp can cost that much.......
You do have a point there... I might shop around when I get to the UK, where I'll be for the next few years. I won't be able to take any amps there anyway, so skipping this one might be a more logical option.
 
oh dude, then do yourself a favor and don't accept this amp...... just get your money....if you wanna record and make music just get a modeler, that you can get in a suitcase.....but don't get an amp that people don't understand the value off.....it's like owning a ferrari in the deepest countryside of romania where people don't know the value of it and even if they did they wouldn't have a use for it not the cash to pay for it either.

trust me I'm suffering all this now...I have 2 amps I have to sell and people here don't appreciate them beceause they don't know jack shit about them....I very well might have to ship them to the US and lose quite a bit.
 
Joeytpg":1kbnsf8h said:
oh dude, then do yourself a favor and don't accept this amp...... just get your money....if you wanna record and make music just get a modeler, that you can get in a suitcase.....but don't get an amp that people don't understand the value off.....it's like owning a ferrari in the deepest countryside of romania where people don't know the value of it and even if they did they wouldn't have a use for it not the cash to pay for it either.

I understand what you're saying, but I'm not interested in modelers. My POD was useful in my dorm room days, but I've since given it to my girlfriend, who's learning to play the bass. I much prefer the sound of my Boogies, and they sound and feel much better to me than any modeler I've played. I'm just trying to get closer to that "ultimate tone" in my head, just like anybody else in here.
 
Burn":1pvkbkbv said:
Joeytpg":1pvkbkbv said:
oh dude, then do yourself a favor and don't accept this amp...... just get your money....if you wanna record and make music just get a modeler, that you can get in a suitcase.....but don't get an amp that people don't understand the value off.....it's like owning a ferrari in the deepest countryside of romania where people don't know the value of it and even if they did they wouldn't have a use for it not the cash to pay for it either.

I understand what you're saying, but I'm not interested in modelers. My POD was useful in my dorm room days, but I've since given it to my girlfriend, who's learning to play the bass. I much prefer the sound of my Boogies, and they sound and feel much better to me than any modeler I've played. I'm just trying to get closer to that "ultimate tone" in my head, just like anybody else in here.


I understand, then in that case get an amp that you know you'll be able to sell later and lose money if you're leaving that country :)

just my two cents based on personal experience. :)
 
Burn":1adyxlmz said:
Jordon":1adyxlmz said:
NEEEEEVERMIND.

Eh? :confused:


Made a post, whose relevance I questioned moments after posting it. Upon review, I saw that it was of little help, and deleted it.


Anyway, when I got my VH4, it was everything I'd been searching for in an amp. It's hard to go wrong with anything Diezel, and the Herberts I've played out of were pretty awesome and very versatile.
 
Joeytpg":1w2ulsyu said:
Burn":1w2ulsyu said:
Joeytpg":1w2ulsyu said:
oh dude, then do yourself a favor and don't accept this amp...... just get your money....if you wanna record and make music just get a modeler, that you can get in a suitcase.....but don't get an amp that people don't understand the value off.....it's like owning a ferrari in the deepest countryside of romania where people don't know the value of it and even if they did they wouldn't have a use for it not the cash to pay for it either.

I understand what you're saying, but I'm not interested in modelers. My POD was useful in my dorm room days, but I've since given it to my girlfriend, who's learning to play the bass. I much prefer the sound of my Boogies, and they sound and feel much better to me than any modeler I've played. I'm just trying to get closer to that "ultimate tone" in my head, just like anybody else in here.


I understand, then in that case get an amp that you know you'll be able to sell later and lose money if you're leaving that country :)

just my two cents based on personal experience. :)

I've brought back a bunch of stuff with me from different countries. It's a hassle at customs, but it's doable. I was trying to say that I can't take a Herbert head with me on the plane when I'm going to the UK. I don't have to sell any of my stuff, they can just sit at home while I'm abroad :)
 
Jordon":34ul14mu said:
Burn":34ul14mu said:
Jordon":34ul14mu said:
NEEEEEVERMIND.

Eh? :confused:


Made a post, whose relevance I questioned moments after posting it. Upon review, I saw that it was of little help, and deleted it.


Anyway, when I got my VH4, it was everything I'd been searching for in an amp. It's hard to go wrong with anything Diezel, and the Herberts I've played out of were pretty awesome and very versatile.

Everyone keeps mentioning that the Herb is very versatile, but I'm having a hard time finding anything but downtuned riffage clips on the net. I guess I'll have to go hear it for myself. The GAS is kicking in already, just when I though I didn't need any more amps... :D

BTW, I really enjoyed some of the clips you posted a while ago on netmusicians. :rock:
 
Burn":1aqsw7rj said:
jcj":1aqsw7rj said:
in the end, there's no substitute for personal experience....
I agree %100. :)

Laurens":1aqsw7rj said:
I don't care for cleans much, but the Mark V 's cleans are pretty good IMHO. Channel 2 did nothing for me too, whereas channel 3 delivered the high gain tones for me. I traded my Mark V for a Herbert and I regret that. The Herbert is a different animal. In comparison it sounds more compressed. The second channel with the plus setting gets damn heavy. Both are high quality amps. It is just personal preference at this level .Any bad sounds out of any of these two is user error. The Mark V wins for versatility IMHO, you just have to tweak it. BTW, do you need 180 watts of power?
Throughout the past year, I've exclusively played clean through a 1x12 Lonestar combo with all NOS tubes. So I'm probably a bit spoiled when it comes to clean sounds :D

I definitely don't need 180 watts. I probably will never be gigging here, and the amp will be used strictly for recording. Even mic'd, in my experience the wattage does affect the sound. Also, I've always heard that Diezels sounded great at lower volumes.

glip22":1aqsw7rj said:
A very important question is how much does she owe you? It may be wiser to take the cash.
I have seen many Herberts selling below 3K used.
She owes me a little over $3500. I think that's a fair price for a Herbie in mint condition. Especially around here, where prices can be ridiculously inflated. That applies more to the US stuff though. Still, we don't have it as bad as the EU folks. I've checked Mesa prices in the UK... :shocked: (I know the UK is not in the EU :))

Joeytpg":1aqsw7rj said:
I live in a place where people only know mesas, fenders, marshalls, peavey, randall........ they don't even know what a Diezel is, let alone BELIEVE that an amp can cost that much.......
You do have a point there... I might shop around when I get to the UK, where I'll be for the next few years. I won't be able to take any amps there anyway, so skipping this one might be a more logical option.
I am not sure where you are but it probably is fair. I wouldn't buy it without playing it first. She sounds local to you. Take over a cab and try it out. The Herbert is a love hate relationship. I have heard many things good and some bad about it. I do know if you are playing by yourself it can be very good. It is tough to dial in in a band mix from what I hear. I think the newer Herbs may have adressed this issue. I don't know any of this for sure as it is only what I read and was told by a couple of owners when talking gear.
 
I will go ahead and chime in here...The Diezel is simply a jaw-dropping amp to play. It has the very best cleans of any high-gainer (that I have played) and it does just about everything well. The one area that it falls short is the real "raw" sounding, dirty, high-mid, Marshallesque mid to high gain tones that some favor. From my experience, I believe it to be a nearly perfect amp for the tones that you described.

Here is a link to my original Diezel Herbert review upon acquiring the amp:

REVIEW AFTER 72 HOURS: Diezel Herbert

Well I've had the Herbert since Tuesday evening and been enjoying the hell out of it!!! I'll start off my review with a little story. Yesterday around 8:45pm a friend of mine, who is huge fan of "heavy" music (but NOT a musician) stopped by to drag me out to a local lounge we hang at for a while. About ten minutes after he arrives his girl calls him on his cell phone and he steps in the guest bedroom (my new Diezels are currently in the living room of my condo) to take the call. After he is in there for about 10 minutes talking, I say to myself...I guess I'll plug in and jam at low volumes for a little bit 'til he's done. So I proceed to do just that with my Herbert. He appears in the room about 10 minutes later and says "dude...what the fu*k is that?" I say "what?" he replies "that sound"..."oh, that's my new amp...sorry if you could hear it in the other room while you were on the phone". He then says, "I could kinda hear it...but I could really FEEL it...but now I CAN hear it...sounds huge" "yeah" I say. "turn it up a little and play that riff again" he says...so I do. He just shakes his head and says "that thing is rediculous" and laughs out loud.

Channel one is a fantastic clean channel to my ears...so incredibly simple to get a great clean sound out of it. It really reminds me of a Roland JC...without the effects, really "soft" sounding...but lively, with a nice top end sparke to it. Single notes jump nicely as they represent the outrageous power section punch of this amp. I don't know how Peter got this level sustain happening without the use of gain. And strumming cords is a real pleasure as they ring out so true and clear as a bell...piano like in it's overall response. I don't typically use any effects, but I can imagine that with a touch of chorus/delay, the quality of this sound would be approaching perfection for most. It will "break up" just a hair if you really push the volume and treble, but you really don't want it to. It's obvious, to me at least, that this channel was meant to be lush, chimey and pristine...and it is. This clean sound rivals many amps that were designed specifically for cleans/ dirty cleans. This is the BEST, BAR NONE clean channel on any high gain amplifier that I have played.

Channel two takes you from a fairly convincing "dirty clean" (lower gain on the - position) to an aggressive rock crunch to 5150 gain territory (Gain arround 2:00 o'clock in the + mode) depending completely upon how the gain and +/- switch is dialed in. At very modest gain settings you can get a decent bluesy thing happening as the voicing of this amp has a somewhat more traditional "feel" in terms of "give" and "bloom" when compared to most peoples idea of what a Diezel tone is...if that makes any sense. Without the "Mid Cut" switch activated, it has a super refined Marshall-like quality to it, the lower mids absolutely GRIND..but without that nasally upper mid swell that is typical of some Marshall high gain tones...and it certainly has none of the "overly-grainy" or "buzz saw" response of a Mesa Rectifier either...VERY smooth indeed. This channel is has a very modern hard rock/metal flavor while still retaining most of that "Diezel" clarity, touch sensativity and articulation...you cannot deny the trasparency of it's high gain tones, even as it approaches saturation (around 1:00 o'clock on the gain dial in the gain + mode) Flip the switch on the "Mid Cut" and you are in super MODERN SOUNDING hard rock and metal territory...after dialing a really nice metal rhythm tone WITHOUT the mid cut switch activated, I switched the mid cut switch on for the first time and litterally laughed out loud at how hugely EVIL the amp sounded...l absolutely giggled like a little boy, alone in my living room. Think Metallica Black Album tones after a couple cycles of pharmacutical grade anabolic steriods...yes, really...I just said that and meant it. Even after playing the Bogner Uberschall at some length (which I thought was fantastic...but grainy and a little loose) nothing compares to this sound...that I have heard...It's as modern a voicing as modern metal gets. Guys I could go on and on, but between the sensitive gain and eq dials, the +/- gain structure switch and the availabilty of the mid cut option (not to mention the two seperate master volumes!!!)...There are so many brilliant tones available in channel two of this amplifier it will make your head spin. Really the smartest and most tonally diverse channel of any high gain amplifier I have ever played.

Channel three (like the VH4) is very similar to channel two, without as many tone shaping options. It seems obvious to me that this channel is designed for lead playing, but can be set up for aggressive rythym playing with realitive ease. The primary difference in voicing are: a bit more compression, slightly darker vibe and even more USABLE gain and saturation. Lead players will LOVE (the word "fat" doesn't do it justice) the thickness of the single notes and the incredible sustain. There is never really any good reason that I can see to have the gain dial much past 12:00 o'clock here...and this is comming from a guy who usually has the gain on his 5150 at 6.5 on the lead channel. Having said that, ALL the gain is useable, the amp never really "falls apart"...it simply becomes unreasonably saturated if you crank it (the gain) up too much.

Overall this a great amp. The best way I know how to describe it is this: the overall vibe sounds very "produced". Let me explain: Have you ever been in the studio recording high gain tones with, say...a Peavey 5150 or a Mesa Mark series (fans of either should love this amp) and you are digging the sound as it seems to have been well miced and competently recorded? Then let's suppose Bob Rock shows up and says "thanks guys...I'll take it from here" to you and the engineer. You show up in the mixing room a week later and the tones are much richer, crisper, punchier, well defined and just, well...better. Really pleasing to the musically trained ear. That is what this amp sounds to me...90% "there" plugged straight in and right out of the speakers of your 4x12 cabitet. The label on this amp should read: "studio magic included" or "will save money on plug-ins"...Ha!!! As silly as it seems, I believe this to be an accurate depiction of the vibe of the Diezel Herbert. I have heard people describe this quality as "fake" sounding...or not very "raw" in it's presentation. I would agree that it is probably too refined/sophisticated/complex a sound to be decribed as really "raw" (when comapared to a cranked 5150 or well boosted jcm 800), but it is certainly AGGRESSIVE...And for the record, I would NEVER describe it's distortion as "fake" sounding in any way shape or form!

A few FINAL observations:

1. This amp's tone stack is centered in the low-mids. This , combined with the 180 watt power section accounts for the huge PUNCH and authoritative low-end THUMP associated with it. Because of this, caution should be exercised when dialing in the bass and deep controls...especially when that evil mid cut switch is on. The low end can easily become overbearing and "step on" the rest of the amp's frequencies, thus degrading the tone. Some might say this amp simply has too much bass. At any rate, the tone is very "round", reagrdless of tweaking.

2. It LOVES active pick ups...The EMG 81 seems particularlly favorable.

3. The "mid cut" option is poorly named (sorry Peter). It does not simply suck the mids out of the amp (like most "contour" or "mid notch" enabled amplifiers). Combined with the level and intensity dials, it appears to change the overall voicing, gain structure, ballance and feel of the amp's tone...almost creating two amps in the one headshell. I would have named this option "dynamic voice", "modern shift" (or something similar). To imply that is just "cuts mids", is mis-leading and is an overlly simplified description.

4. Contrary to the descriptions of some, this is NOT a "loose" sounding amplifier to my ears!!! Again...NOT LOOSE. Is it as tight as a VHT Pitbull or my VH4?...no. Is it as loose and "squishy" as a Mesa Rectifier or Bogner Ubershall?...Absolutely not. To me, it's ballanced. It has just enough give to it to be precieved as really BIG, have some "bloom" and "breathe". Frankly, I don't know how Peter designed this amp feel as tight as it does considering it's low mid center, enormous bass response and rediculous gain/saturation capabilities..Players who find this amp to be overlly loose are either partial to very tight sounding amps (VHT, VH4, ect), or need to take a look at the proficiancy of their tecnique...This amp is far more "forgiving" than my Diezel VH4. Just my opinion.

I hope you find this review interesting and informative...Thanks for taking a moment to read. Detailed comparison between my VH4 and Herbert still to come in a seperate thread.
 
Herberts amazing, but given the situation, take the money.
 
angelspade":1ljek6y2 said:
I will go ahead and chime in here...The Diezel is simply a jaw-dropping amp to play. It has the very best cleans of any high-gainer (that I have played) and it does just about everything well. The one area that it falls short is the real "raw" sounding, dirty, high-mid, Marshallesque mid to high gain tones that some favor. From my experience, I believe it to be a nearly perfect amp for the tones that you described.

Thanks for the lengthy review! :thumbsup:
 
Burn":27629lft said:
Jordon":27629lft said:
Burn":27629lft said:
Jordon":27629lft said:
NEEEEEVERMIND.

Eh? :confused:


Made a post, whose relevance I questioned moments after posting it. Upon review, I saw that it was of little help, and deleted it.


Anyway, when I got my VH4, it was everything I'd been searching for in an amp. It's hard to go wrong with anything Diezel, and the Herberts I've played out of were pretty awesome and very versatile.

Everyone keeps mentioning that the Herb is very versatile, but I'm having a hard time finding anything but downtuned riffage clips on the net. I guess I'll have to go hear it for myself. The GAS is kicking in already, just when I though I didn't need any more amps... :D

BTW, I really enjoyed some of the clips you posted a while ago on netmusicians. :rock:

All channels:

 
Burn":3gw9mvqt said:
Jordon":3gw9mvqt said:
Burn":3gw9mvqt said:
Jordon":3gw9mvqt said:
NEEEEEVERMIND.

Eh? :confused:


Made a post, whose relevance I questioned moments after posting it. Upon review, I saw that it was of little help, and deleted it.


Anyway, when I got my VH4, it was everything I'd been searching for in an amp. It's hard to go wrong with anything Diezel, and the Herberts I've played out of were pretty awesome and very versatile.

Everyone keeps mentioning that the Herb is very versatile, but I'm having a hard time finding anything but downtuned riffage clips on the net. I guess I'll have to go hear it for myself. The GAS is kicking in already, just when I though I didn't need any more amps... :D

BTW, I really enjoyed some of the clips you posted a while ago on netmusicians. :rock:


Thanks man! I wish I had some clips of the VH4 that weren't another band's songs or shitty youtube vids.
 
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