Jack Bruce bitches about Led Zeppelin

[bunghole]

interesting thread with an assortment of opinions..all good. I know the thread directly mentions ZEP and Cream...but personally I thought "Guitar playing-wise" Ritchie Blackmore and Jeff Beck were more appealing to my ears and dominant. I have live bootleg cuts of Ritchie in 69-70 that would make Clapton and Page's head spin...but i love all those guys to the bone. Carl posted some pretty convincing Clapton cuts, that for that period, u have to admit was great. Eric Johnson is wonderful and in a class all by himself. As far as the newer Blues-oriented players..Eric Gales is my fav! Joe B is a bad mother as well, exciting to watch.

none of the above can touch Uli Roth though

Uli is the man!

I think of all the guitarists mentioned in this thread - Uli has written the coolest song of all of them - Sails of Charon (best tone too IMO)

 

[SFW]

Love Zep... Always thought Clapton was way over rated. And I'll take Frampton for the win on all guitar skills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2UdR4fwBVg

 

[CocoTone]

so derek trucks sucks also bonamassa is another warren haynes not saying that is bad but neither of them are doing anything new. ALA

You said it. Bonamassa had it all goin' on with a Strat. Sounds generic on a Paul.

CT.

 

[Gainzilla]

Love Zep... Always thought Clapton was way over rated. And I'll take Frampton for the win on all guitar skills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2UdR4fwBVg

Man, talk about an often overlooked Guitar player, Frampton has it all in spades IMO.... He'd be laughing at us all in this thread though...

 

[bunghole]

IMO you can't say that about what has come down the pike the last few decades.

I can. tons of guitarists in metal that I can recognize really quick

 

[Telephant]

SRV walked circles around Clapton when it comes to raw blues.

SRV was amazing at what he did but I dont think he had the traditional blues knowledge Clapton does. Clapton has never been fast or flashy, but he knows how to shake a note. I dig his Strat/Tweed tone though.

I love Zeppelin too. They're pretty different bands though. Zep was just starting when Cream was wrapping up.

 

[degenaro]

No offense, but I think a lot of you guys don't really get Clapton. AskBB King who's the best white blues player. Its not SRV (who's great, don't get me wrong), its Clapton. Lots of you guys use 80s metal players as your reference point and that's just apples and oranges, and one type of vibrato isn't better than another, its all about context. I love Page, but as EVH said, he often sounded like his fingers were broken live.

None taken but Since when is BB King considered the first and last word on Blues Players Colin? I respect the man of course but theres guys I like better than Clapton; Albert King, Freddie King, Buddy Guy just to name a few... I have immense respect for Clapton, I think that its foolish not to, I just prefer others to him...

Ballpark? over half a century...there is a reason folks refer to the 3 Kings. And without Freddie/BB/Albert none of the guyes that influenced the guys that influenced us would have ever existed.

As for Clapton vs. Page...
I take Clapton for his guitar playing any time, and I even take "smooth" Lay Down Sally/Cocaine Clapton because that came with a dose of Albert Lee.
Production wise? Zep is a no brainer. Writing wise? Neither Page nor Clapton. For that I'd go with Jack Bruce.

 

[degenaro]

in before the "guthrie govan does it all better than the rest"


one thing I'll say, is that as far as improv skills go. I really don't care how great Cream was at improvising. When I see a solo that I love played live, I like it to be played like it was on the record. If its a well written, well played solo that I really enjoy, I'd prefer it to be given as much respect live as the riffs are. if that makes sense

And then there are those of us who want the opposite...I can see a cover band for that

 

[degenaro]

interesting thread with an assortment of opinions..all good. I know the thread directly mentions ZEP and Cream...but personally I thought "Guitar playing-wise" Ritchie Blackmore and Jeff Beck were more appealing to my ears and dominant. I have live bootleg cuts of Ritchie in 69-70 that would make Clapton and Page's head spin...but i love all those guys to the bone. Carl posted some pretty convincing Clapton cuts, that for that period, u have to admit was great. Eric Johnson is wonderful and in a class all by himself. As far as the newer Blues-oriented players..Eric Gales is my fav! Joe B is a bad mother as well, exciting to watch.

none of the above can touch Uli Roth though

Uli is the man!

Have you heard his latest? First one I dig about as much as the Electric Sun/Fire Wind/Astral Sky stuff.

 

[degenaro]

interesting thread with an assortment of opinions..all good. I know the thread directly mentions ZEP and Cream...but personally I thought "Guitar playing-wise" Ritchie Blackmore and Jeff Beck were more appealing to my ears and dominant. I have live bootleg cuts of Ritchie in 69-70 that would make Clapton and Page's head spin...but i love all those guys to the bone. Carl posted some pretty convincing Clapton cuts, that for that period, u have to admit was great. Eric Johnson is wonderful and in a class all by himself. As far as the newer Blues-oriented players..Eric Gales is my fav! Joe B is a bad mother as well, exciting to watch.

none of the above can touch Uli Roth though

You know Uli was a huge influence for me when I started playing. But when everything is said and done if we really want to play this rating game...No one ever touched, nor ever will touch Jimi in terms of impact. End of story.

 

[Gainzilla]

You know Uli was a huge influence for me when I started playing. But when everything is said and done if we really want to play this rating game...No one ever touched, nor ever will touch Jimi in terms of impact. End of story.

You have to give EVH props in the impact department, IMHO, his impact was every bit as strong as Jimi's..

 

[degenaro]

You know Uli was a huge influence for me when I started playing. But when everything is said and done if we really want to play this rating game...No one ever touched, nor ever will touch Jimi in terms of impact. End of story.

You have to give EVH props in the impact department, IMHO, his impact was every bit as strong as Jimi's..

For guitarists absolutely. Dunno whether I can see the overall "cultural" impact the same.

 

[70strathead]

Uli is the man![/quote]
Have you heard his latest? First one I dig about as much as the Electric Sun/Fire Wind/Astral Sky stuff.[/quote]

yes! and i agree as well.

 

[cloudnine]

While I definitely listen to more Zeppelin than I do Cream or solo Clapton, EC always seems to "feel it" on another level than most blues guitar players.

So I see where both sides are coming from.

 

[degenaro]

Impact is one thing, but nobody copied Cream. In 4 decades.
Hendrix was all about Hendrix. His bands were accompanying him, but all members of Cream contributed equally, creating a live sound that nobody copped.

http://www.supload.com/music/Sweet-Wine ... UGZF6.html

well, not in Rock, but you can go to a gazillion Jazz hang's and get that, except with less SPL and intensity.
That said, I actually do belive that you coulda stuck any one of the big original 4 with that rhythm section and the results woulda been similar, imo of course.

 

[Gainzilla]

You know Uli was a huge influence for me when I started playing. But when everything is said and done if we really want to play this rating game...No one ever touched, nor ever will touch Jimi in terms of impact. End of story.

You have to give EVH props in the impact department, IMHO, his impact was every bit as strong as Jimi's..

For guitarists absolutely. Dunno whether I can see the overall "cultural" impact the same.

I see your point and agree but you have to admit, those were dramatically different times when the whole cultural/social/music thing was practically intertwined . We've never really had anything since then like that... You could probably throw the Beatles in there as well

 

[degenaro]

For guitarists absolutely. Dunno whether I can see the overall "cultural" impact the same.

I see your point and agree but you have to admit, those were dramatically different times when the whole cultural/social/music thing was practically intertwined . We've never really had anything since then like that... You could probably throw the Beatles in there as well[/quote]
Of course those were drastically different times. And with every paradigm shift the early adopters are usually the on es that make the bigger impact or late comers.
Look at it from any popular music perspective, you have something that resonates with folks=sells, then you have the big machine jump on it and crank out as many like acts as possible, until it falls apart.

 

[gdwill2u]

I was never a big fan of Clapton. I like the Cream stuff but i always thought as a guitar player that Clapton was really overrated. Strictly talking about guitar, Hendrix and Beck both were miles beyond Clapton, and SRV walked circles around Clapton when it comes to raw blues.

I think of Clapton as more a songwriter/singer who happens to play guitar.

And I'd rather listen to Dazed And Confused or War Pigs instead of shit like Lay Down Sally.

That's funny I think of him as a mediocre song writer but a world class (top five all time) guitarist. Also, someone should tell him he needs a real lead singer.