Japan - too serious not to be a thread on the main forum.

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Funny you mention that about celebrities. Usually, when there's a scandal with celebrities over there, their careers are over thanks in part to the media absolutely demonizing them. However, for some bizarre reason, Kusanagi of SMAP miraculously kept his career. How he managed to pull that off, I have no clue. I guess part of the reason that they cling onto celebrities more is that the politicians have revolving door syndrome. None of them seem to stay in office for more than about a year or so.
 
Rogue":eszl27v3 said:
JTyson":eszl27v3 said:
Yeah, but you have a special selective memory :lol: :LOL:
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Not selective, just good. ;)

I'm not saying there were no problems, I'm just responding to the claim that no one helped anyone. I remember people helping other people out.
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Ok sure, some people actually tried helping one another. But come on, you know damm well that if a disaster hits there'e certain areas or cities in the USA that you just don't want to be in. And the fact is that there's a lot of people in the USA that act like complete animals in bad situations. There's a lot of people out there that wouldn't give a crap about trying to help others while there's a liquor store or electronics outlet to rob.
 
Hey guys to those that are interested. I've been following the Fukushima Nuclear accident since it happend. First I'm shocked at how little details are being let out on the worst Nuclear accident involving three fully melted down nuclear reactors. In my opinion very close to the Chernyobl disaster.

I never thought that TEPCO's story was very strong about the Diesel generators failing causing all this because every reactor unit had a RCIC, Reactor Core Isolation cooling system that works with no power only steam diverted off of the main fuel core that pumps in cooling water when in operation this system alone should have averted the accident, but the reports say it was inoperable early on. That means to me that reactor cooling water was leaking right after the quake, and much of the safety system piping had to be damaged, broken cracked or ruptured.

That would mean every reactor on japan could suffer the same fate in another 8 to 9.0 earthquake plus every other Nuclear plant by a fault line. Apparently some employees are coming forward saying piping was damaged right after the quake. Here's the article which is very interesting, decide for yourself if were getting the straight story from TEPCO.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2 ... ima/39541/
 
harddriver":1u28xsr1 said:
Hey guys to those that are interested. I've been following the Fukushima Nuclear accident since it happend. First I'm shocked at how little details are being let out on the worst Nuclear accident involving three fully melted down nuclear reactors.
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I with ya. I'll occasionally do a google news search to see what has come out and amazed how little coverage this gets here.
 
I believe the Government and Utilities have a vested interest in keeping the details convoluted. Japan has 54 reactors and Taiwan has 6 currently operational reactors, all in the Ring of Fire, but so do we. All of these reactors are General Electric Mark I and II reactor designs with some Westinghouse PWR units as well. These are identical to reactors running in the United States as well, if Fukushima can't handle an 8.0 or 9.0 then what about Diablo Canyon here in the states or other units by fault lines? There are rolling blackouts due to offlien units, were other plants damaged and being repaired but just did not melt down like Fukushima. Here a news blog:

The Kashiwazaki-Kariwa Nuclear Power Plant was completely shut down for 21 months following an earthquake in 2007.

Following an earthquake, tsunami, and the failure of cooling systems at the Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant on March 11, 2011, a nuclear emergency was declared. This was the first time a nuclear emergency had been declared in Japan, and 140,000 residents within 20 km of the plant were evacuated. The amount of radiation released is unclear, as the crisis is ongoing.[2]

On 6 May 2011, Prime Minister Naoto Kan ordered the Hamaoka Nuclear Power Plant be shut down as an earthquake of magnitude 8.0 or higher is likely to hit the area within the next 30 years.[3][4][5] Kan wanted to avoid a possible repeat of the Fukushima disaster.[6] On 9 May 2011, Chubu Electric decided to comply with the government request. Kan later called for a new energy policy with less reliance on nuclear power.[7]

As of June 2011, Japan is running 19 of 54 reactors in operation before the Fukushima disaster, raising "the risk of serious power shortages into 2012".[8] Problems in stabilizing the Fukushima I nuclear plant have hardened attitudes to nuclear power. As of June 2011, "more than 80 percent of Japanese now say they are anti-nuclear and distrust government information on radiation".[9] Post-Fukushima polls suggest that somewhere "between 41 and 54 percent of Japanese support scrapping, or reducing the numbers of, nuclear power plants".[10]
 
I always thought that the Japanese with all their technology would have had the most reverence and caution towards Nuclear Power because of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But check out this list in accidents/incidents. God I hope we're not running our plants this way, I've been out of the business for 15 years now when alot of components were inspected and outages lasted 2-6 months depending on what needed repairs. Now outages last 2-4 weeks, they are refueled and brought back on line.
Check out this list:

Other accidents of note include:[41]

1981: almost 300 workers were exposed to excessive levels of radiation after a fuel rod ruptured during repairs at the Tsuruga Nuclear Power Plant.[41]
December 1995: the fast breeder Monju Nuclear Power Plant sodium leak.[41] State-run operator Donen was found to have concealed videotape footage that showed extensive damage to the reactor.[42]
March 1997: the Tokaimura nuclear reprocessing plant fire and explosion, northeast of Tokyo. 37 workers were exposed to low doses of radiation. Donen later acknowledged it had initially suppressed information about the fire.[41][42]
1999: a fuel loading system malfunctioned at a nuclear plant in the Fukui Prefecture and set off an uncontrolled nuclear reaction and explosion.[41]
September 1999: the criticality accident at the Tokai fuel fabrication facility.[41] Hundreds of people were exposed to radiation, three workers received doses above legal limits of whom two later died.[42]
2000: Three Tokyo Electric Power Co. executives were forced to quit after the company in 1989 ordered an employee to edit out footage showing cracks in nuclear plant steam pipes in video being submitted to regulators.[42]
August 2002: a widespread falsification scandal starting in that led to the shut down of all Tokyo Electric Power Company’s 17 nuclear reactors; Tokyo Electric's officials had falsified inspection records and attempted to hide cracks in reactor vessel shrouds in 13 of its 17 units.[43]
2002: Two workers were exposed to a small amount of radiation and suffered minor burns during a fire at Onagawa Nuclear Power Station in northern Japan.[42]
9 August 2004: four workers were killed after a steam explosion at the Mihama-3 station; the subsequent investigation revealed a serious lack in systematic inspection in Japanese nuclear plants, which led to a massive inspection program.[44]
2006: A small amount of radioactive steam was released at the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant and it escaped the compound.[42]
16 July 2007: a severe earthquake (measuring 6.8 on the Richter scale) hit the region where Tokyo Electric's Kashiwazaki-Kariwa Nuclear Power Plant is located and radioactive water spilled into the Sea of Japan; as of March 2009, all of the reactors remain shut down for damage verification and repairs; the plant with seven units was the largest single nuclear power station in the world.[43]

Note this last event, a 6.8 earthquake and the pant's units were shuts down almost two years and maybe still are. Why would that be if the reactor design can handle 7.0 to 8.0 earthquakes as they claim. Sounds like alot of cover ups on all accounts.
 
Looks like Unit 1's Fuel is still intermittetly fissioning because they are detecting isotopes that are only produced with active fissioning.

Also the prevailing westerly jet stream is dragging all this contamination right into the US and Europe. That's Cesium, Iodine, Strontium, folks. There are people on the Pacific Norhtwest wearing cloth surgical masks while mowing their lawns and using a cheap geiger counter and getting measurable reading.

I read a US NRC report that stated they fear the bottom of Unit 3 reactor vessel may completely fail dumping all the fuel mass into the basement. Unit 3 has the MOX plutonium hybrid fuel, Plutonium is very very toxic to humans and animals.

I wish I could say they are getting this under control but it seems they are struggling.
 
Jeesh, those poor people, what else is gonna happen to them. My heart goes out to them
The Japanese Womens Soccer team made the World Cup this year against the US Womens team. I almost hope they win after what they have been through :aww:
Those folks need a bright moment in a dark time
 
harddriver":dlsyab8q said:
I never thought that TEPCO's story was very strong.....
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doesnt stop the press and police from camping out at the Tepco headquarters still every day... nobody thinks tepcos story is very strong
 
I'm still surprised Arnie has kept the storyline of the diesel generators failing as the main cause, because alot of evidence is pointing to compromised/inoperable safety systems due to inadequate reactor cooling water supply when the RCIC stopped working, the only way it would stop working would be if it had no water to pump.

Three Mile Island had significant % core melt within th first 4-8 hours of the accident. From some of the statements now coming out Fukushima's reactors were in full meltdown within 12-16 hours but my guess is probably sooner than that, while TEPCO told the world everything was under control. I remember early in the accident our military offered diesel generators to be flown in, TEPCO said don't bother, I'm sure their control room operators knew the truth about the loss of cooling water then right after the earthquake, nothing to do but sit back a watch when none of your safety system will work. Also from what gather the Japanese government had to force TEPCO to use seawater, and thank god they even did that! :gethim:

Arnie Gunderson is finally beginning to think the Fuel has breached the bottom of the reactor vessel or vessels of units 1, 2 and 3 aside from the the fact the fuel pools can still ignite spewing nasty hot particel isotopes worldwide. THIS IS WORSE THAN CHERNYOBL. Had the fuel stayed somewhat contained in the reactor vessel maybe not. But this revelation is a game changer.

Alot of what I read about TEPCO they have no problem lying and covering things up and the Japanese government let them get away with it. I could see our NRC and our governement handling a major nuclear accident the same way though. I don't see any commenting from our NRC publically on their assessments because it would be an indictment of identical reactor designs running in this country of which they have granted license extensions to many 30-40 year old facilties within any requirements of validation of inspection or maintentance. Nor any warning about fallout coming from the accident, no whatsoever.

Being Japan is a small island, look at the contaminated exclusion zone of Chernyobl, Japan could be a sparsely populated island because of this. :doh:

From an NRC technical paper published by them, the % probability of significant if not total melt down of Lasalle Nuclear power station which is a Mark II GE BWR like Fukushima located in the heart of the midwest(NO TSUNAMI) is 80% if they lost all power for more than 4 hours, all safety procedure do not account for this possiblity, they must regain power within 4 hours of their battery backups if the diesel do not or cannot run with no off site power coming in. Actually the make a model of reactor is irrelevant to the analysis even a massive feedwater, reactor reciculation pipe could cause the above failures.
 
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