JJ for low volume levels

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Curious as how good the MV is on the JJ? My band days are long past me, I just want to come home at the end of a day and play without disturbing my family.
 
Friedman amps have the best MV's in the biz. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a better low volume solution in a 100 watt package.
 
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I can play the JJ at bedroom volumes no prob, and it sounds very good.
 
works great at low volumes

still best a loud volumes though!
 
The MV uses a 220k resistor in series with the master volum wiper after the tonestack so u don't lose bass at low vokumes.. you gain bottom and bass at the expense of volume loss, but the volume is much more than the 1.2v P-P needed intomthe power section tomdrive it to full volume, so no real loss and benefit at low volume. Its an old MOD n covered in Kevin O'Connor's books.

As indicated above, it's still best when turned up. All amps break up as gain and vokume are turned up and signals clipped. To get a 100 watter to break up on the output, u'r gonna need to turn it up n it's gonna be brutally loud. Therefore, the amp you use should be scaled to suit u. If ur gonna play stadiums or outside, 100 watter is whatnu want. If ur only using for studio n bedroom, 1 to 5 watts is better. If ur playing clubs n using a PA to mic the cab, 18 to 50 watts is there u want to be.

The amp should be scaled to suit ur needs ultimately.
 
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The MV uses a 220k resistor in series with the master volum wiper after the tonestack so u don't lose bass at low vokumes.. you gain bottom and bass at the expense of volume loss, but the volume is much more than the 1.2v P-P needed intomthe power section tomdrive it to full volume, so no real loss and benefit at low volume. Its an old MOD n covered in Kevin O'Connor's books.

As indicated above, it's still best when turned up. All amps break up as gain and vokume are turned up and signals clipped. To get a 100 watter to break up on the output, u'r gonna need to turn it up n it's gonna be brutally loud. Therefore, the amp you use should be scaled to suit u. If ur gonna play stadiums or outside, 100 watter is whatnu want. If ur only using for studio n bedroom, 1 to 5 watts is better. If ur playing clubs n using a PA to mic the cab, 18 to 50 watts is there u want to be.

The amp should be scaled to suit ur needs ultimately.
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All that being said, it sounds great at bedroom volumes. :)

But for the reals, I get the technical side of things. I disagree though that a 1-5 watt amp is better than a 30, 50 or 100 watt amp at home or in the studio.
So many amps get their tone from the preamp today, that it's not necessary to push the power amp to sound good, and sometimes it sounds worse when the power amp is working too hard.

On the JJ, it does sound better when the speakers are working, but it sounds great turned down low, too. Check the demo of Jerry Cantrell playing it, the overall master is at 4 and the gain channel master is at 4. That's not too loud on the BE setting, and kind of quiet on the JBE setting, all relative to the setting, of course. It's nowhere close to a 4-holer set on 4.
 
A 100 watts is too much for most of the at-home enthusiasts. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a 50 watt version if one was ever released.
 
my experience is that youre fooling yourself if you think 50 watts is any more practical in a home situation vs 100 watts...if youre going to just go based on wattage, they are both impractical to me for the home. so are a bunch of other lower wattage amps, also.

i find with most things having to do with music - it ALWAYS sounds better loud...doesnt matter if its a guitar amp or just a stereo...music sounds better loud, to me, period.

that being said, just like music can still sound great when not pumping stereo speakers some guitar amps sound great at lower volumes too.

i have found friedmans just tend to do low volume better than a lot of other amps (even lower wattage amps). i honestly dont know what it is (the MV implementation, the circuit itself...dont know, honestly dont care)...but it just does BETTER than other amps at very low volume. and i mean sounds better, feels better, retains dynamics better (you can still control things exceedingly well by rolling off your guitar volume and tone knobs, which a lot of other amps lack when playing at lower volume) - it just still is a phenomenal amp to play through/with at really low volumes.

further, id have to say that even within the Friedman spectrum...the JJ does really low volume even better than other friedmans i have/played...again, dont know what it is about the JJ in particular (maybe that preamp gain or something) - but i would have absolutely NO hesitation saying this amp sounds outstanding at any volume level.
 
the reason the Friedmans sound good at lower volumes and pssibly more than than other amps is a combination of things. yes, it's the MV mod n keeping the bottom, but the voicing also to give them more bottom n fatness. it would make sense what ur saying about the JJ (and i personally agree) because of the tweaks it's even more fat n bottom.
 
I can't even play with the master at 1 :scared: :no: , because I live in a apartment(I'm close to building a house)....but all my Friedman's sound really great at the lowest volumes. :rock: Of course they're more fun loud at my friends when he's playing the drums :yes:
 
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