Jvm410h vs Triaxis/Simul class 2 ninety

[Nd2722]

Hi all,

need some advice re the JVM410H vs Triaxis/Simul Class 2 ninety

the jvm can be bough new now for 1100€
triaxis /simul class 2 ninety roughly €1600 used but prices are fluctating

i have 2 amps in my rig alread (jmp1 and also GSP 1101) but want to get a main amp in which to base the rig off

also have a gmajor 2, intellifex

rig to be controlled by gcx audio switcher and also ground control pro

i play mainly classic rock

thanks, and appreciate your opinion

 

[spacebard]

I prefer Mesa over Marshall by a lot. I had a Marshall, sold it, bought a Mesa rig and WOW! So, without thinking I'd take the mesa rig.

Best advice, try both and decide which is better for the sound you want to achieve.

If you decide to buy the Triaxis, put a mesa 5-band eq in the loop, it changes everything.

 

[Norton666]

JVM by a long shot for me. I greatly prefer it over Tri Axis

 

[Pushead]

+1 for the adding an EQ to the TriAxis rig. I had a TriAxis and 2:90 rig for years. I moved from it because I was looking for something more modern sounding.

 

[Nd2722]

I prefer Mesa over Marshall by a lot. I had a Marshall, sold it, bought a Mesa rig and WOW! So, without thinking I'd take the mesa rig.

Best advice, try both and decide which is better for the sound you want to achieve.

If you decide to buy the Triaxis, put a mesa 5-band eq in the loop, it changes everything.

Thanks so much for the feedback !

I see that you are running your current rig into 2 2x12 cabs, so that would be a full stereo rig?

May be of interest to me moving forward

 

[Nd2722]

JVM by a long shot for me. I greatly prefer it over Tri Axis

Thanks for the feedback much appreciated !

I have tried a jvm before and I did like it , just always like to explore all avenues before making a large purchase ?

 

[Nd2722]

+1 for the adding an EQ to the TriAxis rig. I had a TriAxis and 2:90 rig for years. I moved from it because I was looking for something more modern sounding.

Thanks for that will definitely keep it in mind ?

 

[Nd2722]

I think it depends on how you define classic rock. 60s-80s? The Marshall will probably a closer match for that.

I know pricing and availability may differ from what you're looking at, but the 410HJS may be a better fit. The gain on channels OD1 and OD2 of the JVM410H get into unusable territory fairly quickly for classic rock. FWIW

Yes it would mainly be those decades of music , I would play some metal as well, but not a lot of it

I’ll try see availability of the other Marshall model thanks for the heads up ?

 

[shredhead7]

I don't have the JVM, but I do have two Marshall derivatives. If you play classic rock, the Marshall all day every day. The Mesa is great at what it does, and I used my triaxis rig in my cover band as well. Listen to any youtube video of Dream Theater on their Images and Words tour circa 92-93 and if you like that sound, that is what the triaxis sounds like, you get that lead tone and that clean tone. Both are great at that sound, and you can roll off the volume on the lead tone to get a great clean sound, but they do not sound like traditional classic rock.

They can be a little tricky to dial in at first, because the tone stack on Mesa Boogies is not standard to Marshalls. Meaning, Marshalls you plug in, want more bass turn that knob, less treble turn that knob. Mesas each tweak effects that frequency, but also the amount of gain running through it. They get muddy and flubby really fast. It's not unusual to have the bass at 0 or 2, on a scale of 0-10.

All of this aside, if you already have the other two preamps, adding this to your arsenal would make it nice and rounded out to cover all of the bases. However, there is nothing like having an AMP, preamps sound great, but they don't have that AH punch in the gut cohesiveness that a head has.

 

[bubucci]

JVM is closer for those crunch sounds and have those hotrodded JCM800 sounds but core of amp itself is not that great. Very buzzy, flat without enough dynamic, almost 'fake' sounding. Good for those who think DSL sounds good as 2203/4 but I can't live with it. Of course I tried Satriani sig, but no miracle happened. It is not such improvement like You read on forums. I like 6100 head more.
On the other side Triaxis is not 60-80's sound either but You can get many various tones. Better clean and higain than JVM. For crunch You have to use lower setting on Mark IV channels. I think something like SigX is perfectly in the middle of those two

 

[skullfxr]

I have been left wanting more out of every jvm I have played. It's NOT a bad amp,but it's 'not quite there' for me.

I know this is unrelated, but I would take a JSX over a JVM. at a quarter of the cost. YMMV.

 

[Nd2722]

I don't have the JVM, but I do have two Marshall derivatives. If you play classic rock, the Marshall all day every day. The Mesa is great at what it does, and I used my triaxis rig in my cover band as well. Listen to any youtube video of Dream Theater on their Images and Words tour circa 92-93 and if you like that sound, that is what the triaxis sounds like, you get that lead tone and that clean tone. Both are great at that sound, and you can roll off the volume on the lead tone to get a great clean sound, but they do not sound like traditional classic rock.

They can be a little tricky to dial in at first, because the tone stack on Mesa Boogies is not standard to Marshalls. Meaning, Marshalls you plug in, want more bass turn that knob, less treble turn that knob. Mesas each tweak effects that frequency, but also the amount of gain running through it. They get muddy and flubby really fast. It's not unusual to have the bass at 0 or 2, on a scale of 0-10.

All of this aside, if you already have the other two preamps, adding this to your arsenal would make it nice and rounded out to cover all of the bases. However, there is nothing like having an AMP, preamps sound great, but they don't have that AH punch in the gut cohesiveness that a head has.

Thanks a mil for the insight very much appreciated !

I had a look at those videos as you suggested, also found a video from 2014 I think when he downsized his rig back to a few triaxis and also simul class power amps

Great to get more insight from all members here because as you say with a Marshall it is easier to dial in a tone, makes me think I would like to try the triaxis and see can I find that tone as others have said here and yourself, bearing in mind dialing in a tone I like may take more time

There are however some sounds I do like from that Petrucci rig where he used , albeit in nowhere near as good a guitar player but at least it gives you an idea of the range of tones available

 

[Nd2722]

JVM is closer for those crunch sounds and have those hotrodded JCM800 sounds but core of amp itself is not that great. Very buzzy, flat without enough dynamic, almost 'fake' sounding. Good for those who think DSL sounds good as 2203/4 but I can't live with it. Of course I tried Satriani sig, but no miracle happened. It is not such improvement like You read on forums. I like 6100 head more.
On the other side Triaxis is not 60-80's sound either but You can get many various tones. Better clean and higain than JVM. For crunch You have to use lower setting on Mark IV channels. I think something like SigX is perfectly in the middle of those two

Thanks for that I will look into the sig x ?

I do love the crunch of a Marshall amp but also looking for usable variety of sounds so this may be where the jvm is lacking

 

[Nd2722]

I have been left wanting more out of every jvm I have played. It's NOT a bad amp,but it's 'not quite there' for me.

I know this is unrelated, but I would take a JSX over a JVM. at a quarter of the cost. YMMV.

Good shout thanks !

I remember the jsx now that you mention it, can be gotten for around 600-700

I’ll look into it further ?

 

[Nd2722]

Just on the JSX guys, in order to channel switch via midi, will need a custom cable

I managed to stumble upon this https://btpa.com/AS-TRIPLEX01-XX.html

Presuming this would work

 

[skullfxr]

JVM is closer for those crunch sounds and have those hotrodded JCM800 sounds but core of amp itself is not that great. Very buzzy, flat without enough dynamic, almost 'fake' sounding. Good for those who think DSL sounds good as 2203/4 but I can't live with it. Of course I tried Satriani sig, but no miracle happened. It is not such improvement like You read on forums. I like 6100 head more.
On the other side Triaxis is not 60-80's sound either but You can get many various tones. Better clean and higain than JVM. For crunch You have to use lower setting on Mark IV channels. I think something like SigX is perfectly in the middle of those two

Thanks for that I will look into the sig x ?

I do love the crunch of a Marshall amp but also looking for usable variety of sounds so this may be where the jvm is lacking

I love my sig:x but IMO it isn't over Marshally as a lot of other amps- if you are going for a Marshally tone, but it is a hell of an amp, no dispute.

 

[skullfxr]

I have been left wanting more out of every jvm I have played. It's NOT a bad amp,but it's 'not quite there' for me.

I know this is unrelated, but I would take a JSX over a JVM. at a quarter of the cost. YMMV.

remember the jsx now that you mention it, can be gotten for around 600-700

I’ll look into it further ?

I got mine for $350 about a year back. It kills the jbms across the board. Great cleans and two great gain channels. It is a monster of an amp for the money.

 

[Pushead]

They [the TriAxis] can be a little tricky to dial in at first, because the tone stack on Mesa Boogies is not standard to Marshalls. Meaning, Marshalls you plug in, want more bass turn that knob, less treble turn that knob. Mesas each tweak effects that frequency, but also the amount of gain running through it. They get muddy and flubby really fast. It's not unusual to have the bass at 0 or 2, on a scale of 0-10.

Yeah, if you ever end up over 5 on the bass, you're either doing something terribly, terribly wrong, or have lost your hearing entirely.

The whole Mesa Mark series (and the TriAxis as well) really needs a post EQ. And I think that's why so many of the heads/combos have an EQ built on the front. The TriAxis tried to get around that with the Dynamic Voice control, which is essentially a preset V shape EQ that can be dialed in per preset. I used it that way for years before getting a separate 10 band EQ for the loop.

 

[Nd2722]

I have been left wanting more out of every jvm I have played. It's NOT a bad amp,but it's 'not quite there' for me.

I know this is unrelated, but I would take a JSX over a JVM. at a quarter of the cost. YMMV.

To run the jsx within my midi rig I know I would need a special cable, I think rjm make one for around 70 dollars. I could then send the relays for the channel switching via the gcx audio switcher

https://shop.rjmmusic.com/peavey-jsx-xx ... ace-cable/

 

[Nd2722]

Lads I’m a bit off topic here for my own topic

But is there any love for the Peavey classic 50/50 powers amp?