Kemper or Two Notes CAB/Preamp

[guitarobert]

^^^^
nope, if you are recording, no need for the two notes torpedo ever

but if you want to take those impulses with you, onto the stage, (so that you don't need a cab) then you need something like a two notes torpedo

but on youtube, I see a lot of people using it for recording, which is kind of silly when you can pay a few bucks for some redwirez or even get them free etc....

If it's being used for silent recording it seems to have merit. Well, only if the loadbox in the Torpedo is better than whatever other loadboxes are out there (hot plate, etc.). Any thoughts on the advantages of its loadbox compared to others?

 

[Nico]

Reading these threads about the Kemper and the Torpedo seem so futuristic and complicated to me. I guess I am so dumb!
I just don't buy these units because they seem so hig tech and hard to use, I'd love to be able to buy a Kemper because the tones I heard are really amp like but I feel I am buying just an expensive toy, where as in an amp I know that it will last forever and that it won't need the latest firmware and whatnot...

I just like plugging straight in into an amp, no effects, no nothing!
And using a regular guitar cab at that!

Sorry to hijack the thread, had to put it out there... all this kemper and torpedo talk and I'm too lazy to use any of them

 

[Chubtone]

Reading these threads about the Kemper and the Torpedo seem so futuristic and complicated to me. I guess I am so dumb!
I just don't buy these units because they seem so hig tech and hard to use, I'd love to be able to buy a Kemper because the tones I heard are really amp like but I feel I am buying just an expensive toy, where as in an amp I know that it will last forever and that it won't need the latest firmware and whatnot...

I just like plugging straight in into an amp, no effects, no nothing!
And using a regular guitar cab at that!

Sorry to hijack the thread, had to put it out there... all this kemper and torpedo talk and I'm too lazy to use any of them

If you were really lazy, it seems like you wouldn't want to lug a tube head and a 4x12 cabinet to a gig.

 

[mixohoytian]

yes the rack version, not the CAB, = has a load box
but Chubtone, like many of us, already has a load box
and already has impulses in his computer

no need for two notes...unless you want it all in one for live purposes
as for the load box quality...I'm sure it's good, I have already read via google searches that some prefer their marshall power brake etc,,,... SOOOooo if you are picky...and I believe a lot of people here are picky.....you may end up needing an additional, expensive load box
for me, my hotplate is fine


but I see it as Ventura stated, a great way to use the two notes is instead of using your computer to "hear" the impulses if you have a crappy computer (like I do) and it can't handle the impulses while you are recording (latency etc...)
but $2K...? no thanks
I'd rather get a better computer

 

[mixohoytian]

Reading these threads about the Kemper and the Torpedo seem so futuristic and complicated to me. I guess I am so dumb!
I just don't buy these units because they seem so hig tech and hard to use, I'd love to be able to buy a Kemper because the tones I heard are really amp like but I feel I am buying just an expensive toy, where as in an amp I know that it will last forever and that it won't need the latest firmware and whatnot...

I just like plugging straight in into an amp, no effects, no nothing!
And using a regular guitar cab at that!

Sorry to hijack the thread, had to put it out there... all this kemper and torpedo talk and I'm too lazy to use any of them

If you were really lazy, it seems like you wouldn't want to lug a tube head and a 4x12 cabinet to a gig.

I am really lazy, and I did get a kemper so I wouldn't have to lug a real rig around
only prob is I'm too lazy to figure out how to turn the kemper on and program it



I DO like that Pete thorn showed he could use the two notes rack + some mts randall preamps and thats it to make a rig
pretty cool

truth is we have sooooo many options these days
maybe too many
and instead of curing the laziness, I think they contribute to the laziness

 

[se7en]

but I see it as Ventura stated, a great way to use the two notes is instead of using your computer to "hear" the impulses if you have a crappy computer (like I do) and it can't handle the impulses while you are recording (latency etc...)
but $2K...? no thanks
I'd rather get a better computer

$2k? The C.A.B. is $550 and the Torpedo Live is $995.

 

[Rogue]

Reading these threads about the Kemper and the Torpedo seem so futuristic and complicated to me. I guess I am so dumb!
I just don't buy these units because they seem so hig tech and hard to use, I'd love to be able to buy a Kemper because the tones I heard are really amp like but I feel I am buying just an expensive toy, where as in an amp I know that it will last forever and that it won't need the latest firmware and whatnot...

I just like plugging straight in into an amp, no effects, no nothing!
And using a regular guitar cab at that!

Sorry to hijack the thread, had to put it out there... all this kemper and torpedo talk and I'm too lazy to use any of them

If you can play and record with a miced cab, there is no better way. I've heard some good clips from all our digital options, but for me a miced cab provides the best tone....that is when miced well.

That said, for people that need a quiet way to record, the Axe, Kemper, and TN offer a really nice solution.

 

[Rogue]

but I see it as Ventura stated, a great way to use the two notes is instead of using your computer to "hear" the impulses if you have a crappy computer (like I do) and it can't handle the impulses while you are recording (latency etc...)
but $2K...? no thanks
I'd rather get a better computer

Certainly some computers simply are not adequate. I have a pretty decent comp for two years ago, focusrite 2i2, the two notes plug in, and using ASIO drivers. The latency is very adequate. In fact, I don't notice it. However, any other divers than ASIO, the latency is unusable.

Point is, make sure your using the drivers that perform fastest for your situation will require experimentation.

Also, the two notes plugin is very nice and fast.

 

[mixohoytian]

but I see it as Ventura stated, a great way to use the two notes is instead of using your computer to "hear" the impulses if you have a crappy computer (like I do) and it can't handle the impulses while you are recording (latency etc...)
but $2K...? no thanks
I'd rather get a better computer

$2k? The C.A.B. is $550 and the Torpedo Live is $995.

cab is cheaper, yeah
I thought the two notes rack was more in the 1500 + range
oh well, $1K, no thanks
The CAB might be worth it

 

[Erock]

I'm serious though. Does the CAB do something that IR's loaded into your DAW don't do?

I think a lot of guys don't want to mess around with a daw, plugins, latency, and tryin to run IR with quality results. The cab lets you bypass the computer completely, scroll thru cab presets, and tweak and save them to take with you. The results are like you mic'd a cab expertly. There is almost no learning curve to use it, and get quality results. If you are already using IR with a daw, and you had a quality audio interface, there is probably isn't much advantage other than portability.

I think the real advantage is the live. You get a quality "safe" loadbox, which is reactive and still feels like a real cab, rather than most static resistive loads. You also get the quality audio connections internally which can be a bitch normally. Running something to load the amp, then taking the signal after the poweramp, you are reliant on the load line out, or using something like a suhr Iso line out. If you go from a line out/fx out on the amp, you are obviously missing all the poweramp coloration and feel. I've run into issues trying to get a quality signal to use after the poweramp in the past. Unbalanced to balanced connections, line levels, cable quality/length, etc, can all take a toll on the signal quality. I've gotten usable results, but I usually found I would lose highs, lows, feel, etc. It's real nice not having to mess with any of that, and have high quality results. Silent late night playing, with the amps I already love, makes it worth it alone to me.

 

[Culld]

I've owned the two notes live, currently own a kemper rack and a Torpedo Cab. All three are great units, however my current main setup includes the Cab on a simple pedal board. The thing I didn't like about the live (and load boxes in general) is I always had a tendency to crank my amp louder than I needed. This takes a toll on the tubes, and eventually the electronics of your amp and you are limited to the one sound. In short it made me uncomfortable and not wanting to play through it as much. On top of that, I had trouble getting a good load sound out of some of my heads (lower wattage seemed to work better??. Although full disclaimer, I could have been doing something wrong). Overall I'd rate the experience as semi-frustrating, but still a great solution if you can get it dialed in.

I'm amazed at the Cab. With a few of my favorite dirt boxes in front, I get a very efficient multi-sound rig that sounds and reacts like the greatest tube amps. And super easy to tweak!! There are a few factory presets I use that sound great without even plugging into the software. The sounds achieved with your favorite boutiquey (even non-tube!) pedal in front of the cab will rival your favorite kemper profiles. Where the cab really takes it for me is it's portability and ease of setup. The Kemper stays at home and the Cab goes to gigs or off-site sessions. Really can't say enough about this unit!

 

[datriani]

My old cover band did a lot of random wedding and corporate gigs and for certain venues I'd go direct using a variety of methods, all of which were good enough but never really matched the sound of a live amp on stage, to be expected. At first I would rely on the sound guy for my stage monitor mix but they're so unreliable and sometimes jerks (I consider myself a pretty nice, patient guy). So I started bringing my own monitor with a direct line from the rig but that would piss them off because you basically take the control out of their hands and they would complain that my stage volume was too loud. I'm a considerate guitarist and would ask my bandmates who were fine with it but the sound guys would always turn a bitchy. So I ended using in ears monitoring system with 2 inputs, one for my guitar and I'd plug a mic into the 2nd channel and place it some where on stage to hear the rest of the band. I would use the controls on the IEM receiver to balance between the 2 signals. You're in complete control of your mix, minimal stage volume and I didn't have to carry a wedge or cab....just a pedal board and small rack holding a preamp, cab simulator and the IEM.

I haven't had to use that rig in a while but at the time, a good IEM was pretty expensive and they don't sound that great but I remeber hearing that digital (like the line 6 guitar wireless systems) were on the verge of hitting the market. If their out now, that might be the better way to go.

The alternative is to used the a cable from TC electronic that's both a guitar cable and 1/8 stereo cable to run your wired monitoring system, definitely much cheaper and the fidelity is perfect. Good luck.

 

[robertkoa]

i suggest a third option. get the two notes torpedo live and use your quick rod.

Or if you can use the Preamp Out into a Torpedo CAB ( no loadbox on CAB )
or Attenuator/ Loadbox if you have one and Torpedo CAB.

I agree with moltenmetalburn : you already have an excellent Preamp in your Quickrod, no pedal will equal that

and with all the Cab IRs in Torpedo Live and settings your Amp will be even more versatile .