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Robostyle
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America first
rsm
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This is huge for American software and hardware engineers, developers, scientists, etc.!
As someone who spent 40+ years in the tech industry where I retired this past July from a Regional (US) CTO position for a global American tech company, I remember going from hardly any Indians and Chinese, when I started out of college to more than 50% at some companies (mostly Indians), some even more.
Many Americans lost jobs or weren't hired because H1B would cost less; also depressed technology wages because of an always available cheaper supply of tech labor.
There are Indian consulting companies incorporated in the US, that are basically labor mills set-up to cover theH1B costs and import cheaper Indian labor, and put them into other companies as consultants. These firms take a cut, and these "consultants" are still cheaper than hiring American citizens, and as consultants are easier to fire, replace, etc. Don't even get me started on their bogus degrees and credentials....the fraud is rampant. IME
watson503
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"Operation CLOG THE TOILET"
84superchamp
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My phone battery was running low but i had to watch it all, fantastic synopsis! Bully for her.
Stumplegriltskin
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I haven't been following this. But does this address the fact that companies in the US hire offshore India support for Indians that will do tech support for $5 an hour? I remember when the infestation of Indians started during the .com days when I was making like 20% of $180/hr at a company I was working for for Oracle applications implementations. I was getting like 4k bonuses each month on top of 120k/hr salary. Then the bubble burst and the company went under and then I was working as a DBA at companies for 90k. Then the India shit started and that drove down salaries substantially.
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Robostyle
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Somewhat
rsm
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Yes, similar to my experience. I was at Sun Microsystems during the dotcom, what a shitshow that became before it imploded.
I attended an even sponsored by Andersen Consulting, before they had their shitstorm and rebranded as Accenture, in the late '80s early '90s. The topic was offshoring IT work to India, they had a very compelling cost/benefit model, and it was eye opening, selling out American tech workers like me.
Within a decade, not only the offshoring of work, but the influx of Indian tech workers depressed wages and in many cases caused issues with the work, project timelines etc. As the Indian workers moved up the corporate ladder, they hired and promoted more and more Indians not American workers.
There were a few Indians I worked with and respected but they were the exception. One told me his process of coming to the US with a H1-B visa; it was full of bribes, kickbacks, extortion, threats and other things that are illegal but impossible to prove, he had to put up with it until he got American citizenship. The corruption and exploitation is rampant.
Fast forward, these US-based divisions of Indian companies are now considered American companies; and they are buying political influence, along with the American tech companies, to keep, promote and expand the H1-B visa program to keep their labor costs down, to the detriment of American tech workers.
Trump is the first politician to take real action on H1-B visas, not just hot air talking points. I think he needs to expand it to review existing H1-B visas that are based on fabricated stats of skills.
US tech companies have a bias to hire H1-B over Americans, some CEOs have been caught proving this, then there's the DEI influx of the last decade...software development today at most IT departments are a disaster staff-wise compared to teams I worked on and led before 2010.
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Robostyle
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I bet canada wishes they had done this
84superchamp
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The whole India thing didn't hit home for me (not in IT) until it seemed every Marathon gas station was hijacked by Indians. Piss-poor Engrish and similar manners. They suck, and they're everywhere.
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Robostyle
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Around here it's liquor stores
rsm
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7-11; Subway and many low end hotel chain franchises in the US are Indian owned.
rsm
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Just got this in my inbox from LinkedIn:
SMH. Not hurting Gates, Zuckerberg, etc.,
That's right, tech companies and their "free press" media companies where they advertise want to tell us how depriving US citizens tech jobs and competitive compensation for decades while flooding our country with foreign workers is a good thing.
Bullshit.
I refuse to view the article.
If anything, we need to let our representatives know we need even tougher H1-B requirements, and more investigations of fraud on existing H1-B visas.
SMH. Not hurting Gates, Zuckerberg, etc.,
That's right, tech companies and their "free press" media companies where they advertise want to tell us how depriving US citizens tech jobs and competitive compensation for decades while flooding our country with foreign workers is a good thing.
Bullshit.
I refuse to view the article.
If anything, we need to let our representatives know we need even tougher H1-B requirements, and more investigations of fraud on existing H1-B visas.
rsm
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Agreed. It did get through to Trump though, and he took what I think is a big step...and tech companies are already spinning it. There were a few "articles" on finance.yahoo.com on the "dangers" of challenging H1-B with higher fees. SMH.
I think I saw a story of an Indian immigrant who became mayor, and was caught stuffing ballot boxes with a few Indian friends....invite the third world in, become the third world.
The H1-B processes is corrupt and too easy; it needs fraud investigations, greater oversight, and more stringent requirements. Also, the skills that are being "requested" need to have public hearings so American citizens with those skills can speak up and be heard.
edit: Transparency and light of day will prevent and destroy corruption and abuse.
rsm
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I think we can be reasonable, with validation and oversight. Today it's being abused.
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