Looking for a clean sound

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Ok now that I finally found my dirty setup a mesa Racktifier 2 channel thank you mesa I now need to find a way to have a decent or ok clean sound. I don't like the clean sound on the mesa plus I use both dirty channels for rythm and lead. I would like to to rack mount this situation but the only 2 rack mount clean amps by fender don't seem to exist on the open market I of course am talking about the solid state m80 or a tubed super 60. I have also noticed I will need a second cab on this situation unless theres a way to run a preamp off the mesa into my mesa cab which I doubt. Or can I direct box something into a PA with a micro cab and get a second cab just incase I play somewhere with a crappy PA? Any and all suggestions would be most helpfull
 
I don't know if there's a rack mounted Lonestar, but that's what I would go with. Better sounding cleans than any current Fender IMO.
 
One option is to use a clean model in the Digitech GSP1101 and integrate it with your ractifier using the 4CM (4-cable method). I've done this with a single-channel amp and it works well, i.e. no tone-suckage with the GSP1101. A few bonuses:
1) also have the effects of the GSP1101 on-hand as well
2) you can control effects and switching between dirty/clean via MIDI
3) If the ractifier fails, you can switch to back-up amp-models within the GSP1101 as well
4) No need for a second cab in this scenario

Personally I don't have experience with the switching between two preamps into the same cab, but certainly the routing becomes more complex for sure as do the number of failure points. There are lots of other rack-mounted preamps that can be used for cleans as well such as the Groove-tubes Soul-O-75, Marshall JMP-1, engls etc.
 
ok trying to do this cheap so the lone star is out atleast for now what is the digitech gsp1001 & what is the four cable method does it have its own power source does it need a power amp can i bypass it to just have mesa sound
 
BrentSSL":1t2uuttn said:
ok trying to do this cheap so the lone star is out atleast for now what is the digitech gsp1001 & what is the four cable method does it have its own power source does it need a power amp can i bypass it to just have mesa sound
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http://www.digitech.com/en/products/gsp1101

4CM is:
1) Guitar cable --> GSP1101
2) GSP1101 loop: amp send --> racktifier input
3) racktifier loop-send --> GSP1101 loop return
4) GSP1101 line output --> racktifier loop-return

You don't need a separate power amp; for dirty the GSP1101 routes the guitar signal to the racktifier input, and for clean it routes the signal through a clean amp model and then directly into your racktifier loop-return. Racktifier power-section is thus shared for both purposes. With this setup the GSP1101 is controlling all signal routing, so no need to bypass the GSP1101.
 
is there any other unit that will do than the then the dsp 1011
 
There's a lot of ways to add a 3rd channel. One would simply be: A/B out front. A into Recto/B into clean pedal (even just a eq pedal) or pre. Recto Fx Send and clean pedal pre into a small line mixer. Mixer back into Recto Fx Return.

You could do it for less than $200, maybe $300, bucks I bet.
 
Shark Diver":covh7u9f said:
There's a lot of ways to add a 3rd channel. One would simply be: A/B out front. A into Recto/B into clean pedal (even just a eq pedal) or pre. Recto Fx Send and clean pedal pre into a small line mixer. Mixer back into Recto Fx Return.

You could do it for less than $200, maybe $300, bucks I bet.
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Cool! Great idea... I just learned something as well. :)
 
Shark can you maybe explain that a little more in depth before I spend 500 plus on that digitech thing lol
 
Well, you run your guitar into an A/B pedal. When you step on A it sends your guitar signal to the Recto. When you step on B it sends your guitar signal to your "clean" channel. Which can be a pedal, or preamp. You then take the fx send of the Recto into a small line mixer (RJM has one that's about the size of a standard Boss pedal). Take the output of the d"clean" pedal/preamp into the line mixer as well. The output of the line mixer goes into the FX return on the Recto. Which then goes through the Recto's power section. Only the signal being passed by the A/B pedal goes through the Recto or "clean" to the line mixer. So, which ever you chose is what is then amplified by the power section.

Using a MIDI switcher you could do the exact same thing and control it with MIDI.

I ran a Diezel Herbert and VH4s like this using an RJM switcher. By MIDI it chose which amp the guitar signal went to. Then, by MIDI it chose which amp fx send that would come back in. Then, by MIDI I split the signal. One being sent back to the Herbert's fx loop in for my dry signal. Herbert to a cab - dry. The other part of the split signal went to an FX unit. The FX unit's L/R outputs sent to the L/R fx return on the VH4s.That to two 1x12s for stereo wet. It gave me 7 channels to chose from. 3 from the Herbert and 4 from the VH4. All done with one step if a MIDI controller. :rock:
 
so its basically the four cable method without the expensive digitech or boss or even more expensive tc electronic rack setup
 
BrentSSL":2tttw9rv said:
so its basically the four cable method without the expensive digitech or boss or even more expensive tc electronic rack setup
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No. with the 4 cable guitar is always being preamped through the Recto. With the A/B it would bypass the Recto preamp when B is selected.

MIDI control = http://www.rjmmusic.com/ynot.php
 
and does it have to be an eq or can it be like a chorus pedal
 
BrentSSL":2nok2p13 said:
and does it have to be an eq or can it be like a chorus pedal
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Try what you think sounds good. You can easily experiment with guitar to clean pedal, pedal to fx return on Recto.
 
ok i am going to try this a few more questions then I'm done bugging you lol does the quality of the line mixer matter because we all know what behringer can be like will it cause any latency or any tone sucking issues what do you suggest the JM the line switcher and the boss AB switch
 
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