Looks like you can get suspended

[Shiny_Surface]

That was pretty fucked up what they did to Tony Mckenzie. Sure the guy is opinionated and odd but he didn't do anything wrong in his video just imo.

I saw the Mckenzie video of the Axe before the censorship and it did look like shit to me at least the unit Mckenzie had. Cheap looking connections and sloppy soldering.

 

[zentman]

So he was correct. Thanks.

Think what ya like if it makes ya happy. I want you to be happy ya know.

Speaking of facts, did you happen to catch the deleted comment that actually got him suspended or are you sticking with your OP here as it makes your thread better even if not true? I would think a stickler for facts , such as yourself, would correct his OP. Jus sayin'

In your haste to be the internet tattle tale you probably missed this, the tenth post in that thread:

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/showpo ... stcount=10

Nope saw that. Doesn't change a thing since I can't see what was said and given there are some there who's chins are constantly bruised by their knees hitting them.... I'd doubt much was said to get the resulting action you posted a link to. Speaking of tattle tales I'm sure someone went tattling to the mods. Now I'm sure that wont happen to mods who post the same things but such is the environment there.

I'm telling you said that!......that being said, I have infractions there for stuff I could have pulled anywhere else so I'll agree it's tough. Does serve to keep folks civil a bit though and that I appreciate. Like it or not, it is a good source for breaking news on the whole digital gizmo thing which I am interested in.

 

[ejecta]

That was pretty fucked up what they did to Tony Mckenzie. Sure the guy is opinionated and odd but he didn't anything wrong in his video just imo.

I saw the Mckenzie video of the Axe before the censorship and it did look like shit to me at least the unit Mckenzie had. Cheap looking connections and sloppy soldering.

I never heard what they did to him.

 

[ejecta]

I'm telling you said that!......

Huh? I didn't post in that thread at all.

 

[zentman]

I'm telling you said that!......

Huh? I didn't post in that thread at all.

It was a joke.

 

[nitro]

Ejecta,I agree with you that there is a double standard at TGP.

 

[joepete77]

Ejecta,I agree with you that there is a double standard at TGP.

No doubt about it. Just the other night someone posted about purchasing a d-style preamp from a well known "custom builder" but the op didn't mention any names. The op was pissed that upon inspection he noticed that his "custom" amp was just a ceriatone kit with a different nameplate at triple the price. Even the instructions were from ceriatone. Big mike soon banned he op even though he was opening other members eyes to this. I think that we should be able to express our experiences.

 

[cardinal]

Ejecta,I agree with you that there is a double standard at TGP.

No doubt about it. Just the other night someone posted about purchasing a d-style preamp from a well known "custom builder" but the op didn't mention any names. The op was pissed that upon inspection he noticed that his "custom" amp was just a ceriatone kit with a different nameplate at triple the price. Even the instructions were from ceriatone. Big mike soon banned he op even though he was opening other members eyes to this. I think that we should be able to express our experiences.

That's messed up. Do I think the builder should be "forced" to disclose that he's just using Ceriatone kits? Not really, but if someone wants to post on TGP that the builder is just using Ceriatone kits, I don't see the problem. That definitely should be fair game. And the Digital Modeling forum on TGP is insufferable. I think because there are less players in the market (essentially all of the posts are about Fractal, KPA, Zoom, 11R, or sometimes Line6 just to bash them), it's just awash in fanboiz from a handful of companies bickering or circle jerking with each other.

 

[Heritage Softail]

Ejecta,I agree with you that there is a double standard at TGP.

No doubt about it. Just the other night someone posted about purchasing a d-style preamp from a well known "custom builder" but the op didn't mention any names. The op was pissed that upon inspection he noticed that his "custom" amp was just a ceriatone kit with a different nameplate at triple the price. Even the instructions were from ceriatone. Big mike soon banned he op even though he was opening other members eyes to this. I think that we should be able to express our experiences.

That's messed up. Do I think the builder should be "forced" to disclose that he's just using Ceriatone kits? Not really, but if someone wants to post on TGP that the builder is just using Ceriatone kits, I don't see the problem. That definitely should be fair game. And the Digital Modeling forum on TGP is insufferable. I think because there are less players in the market (essentially all of the posts are about Fractal, KPA, Zoom, 11R, or sometimes Line6 just to bash them), it's just awash in fanboiz from a handful of companies bickering or circle jerking with each other.

That is a serious ethical issue. Taking a kit and then putting your name on it is precisely NOT a custom build.

I would be pissed if someone misrepresented a generic kit amp as a custom build.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

TGP is one big cover-up suppressing the truth and shielding shady people.

Occasionally a shifty business or individual will be exposed and the warnings/suppression are initiated, but is overtaken with a groundswell of evidence and then left alone.

Cover-ups outnumber those imo.

 

[Scumback Speakers]

I'd defend Scott Peterson if he hadn't shown me his true colors last year when he posted outside of TGP. I can't remember if it was on RT or HRI that I caught him posting something that was incorrect/misleading, but it was a clear indication of a poor memory, or history being recreated by him for his post to be relevant or effective. That was the last straw on defending any of his actions in the future for me.

Most of the other mods at TGP are ok, but with SP riding shotgun over them, even they have to be "respectful" of his views.

Will all of the fallout from my severing of ties with my former speaker builder, there have been clear accusations, lies, misleading statements and outright fabrications aimed at me. That finally came to a point where the TGP owner, Brian S, requested that I only talk to him in the future about those issues instead of SP, since he wasn't getting the fair moderation done on personal attacks.

Long story short, TGP ain't perfect. No forum is. And the fact remains that there is no "1st Amendment" rights on a private forum. You are allowed to post on a forum by agreeing to their rules. One of them is the 1st Amendment is supported on them. You play by the rules, their rules, or you get your hands slapped.

Hell, I got suspended at the TGP while I was asleep for something TA Weber wrote about me. When that went badly for him with other members replying to his post, SP decided to suspend me so it would "look fair" to others. I got suspended for a week, TA got suspended for three months.

WTF? I'm getting suspended because TA got his tit in a ringer? LOL It wasn't me who threatened the TGP with a lawsuit while I was asleep!

So please... don't think you can just write whatever you want, link to whatever you want, and not think you have expressed an opinion that isn't a personal attack. In the eyes of the mods/admins, sometimes your posts have "intent" that is construed as an attack.

 

[ejecta]

I'd defend Scott Peterson if he hadn't shown me his true colors last year when he posted outside of TGP. I can't remember if it was on RT or HRI that I caught him posting something that was incorrect/misleading, but it was a clear indication of a poor memory, or history being recreated by him for his post to be relevant or effective. That was the last straw on defending any of his actions in the future for me.

Most of the other mods at TGP are ok, but with SP riding shotgun over them, even they have to be "respectful" of his views.

Will all of the fallout from my severing of ties with my former speaker builder, there have been clear accusations, lies, misleading statements and outright fabrications aimed at me. That finally came to a point where the TGP owner, Brian S, requested that I only talk to him in the future about those issues instead of SP, since he wasn't getting the fair moderation done on personal attacks.

Long story short, TGP ain't perfect. No forum is. And the fact remains that there is no "1st Amendment" rights on a private forum. You are allowed to post on a forum by agreeing to their rules. One of them is the 1st Amendment is supported on them. You play by the rules, their rules, or you get your hands slapped.

Hell, I got suspended at the TGP while I was asleep for something TA Weber wrote about me. When that went badly for him with other members replying to his post, SP decided to suspend me so it would "look fair" to others. I got suspended for a week, TA got suspended for three months.

WTF? I'm getting suspended because TA got his tit in a ringer? LOL It wasn't me who threatened the TGP with a lawsuit while I was asleep!

So please... don't think you can just write whatever you want, link to whatever you want, and not think you have expressed an opinion that isn't a personal attack. In the eyes of the mods/admins, sometimes your posts have "intent" that is construed as an attack.

Exactly another case in point. Complete nonsense and illogical behavior.

Scott has personally attacked me (under their definition of a personal attack not mine) on those forums numerous times. I'd bet you a million dollars he never once got an infraction let alone a suspension. But yet they pass them out like candy over there if something doesn't sit well with a mod or an owner.

Have strict rules all you want on YOUR forum.... that's fine and if I want to be there I'll try my best to live by them. If I step over the line and get slapped for it so be it I'm a big boy. But don't preach to me or hand me an infraction or suspension under rules that you outright break yourself.

 

[carlygtr]

Scott Peterson, 'nuff said. Years and years ago he singled me out w/ intent to ruin Guytron, the Co. All I did was buy the amp, use it, post what I thought was a shortcoming. Because others agreed with me, he singled me out.

Him and the rest are all power-mad little people. Modding at TGP somehow builds their fragile egos. He's a shill, IMO. He's a thief, IMO. He shares the name of a wife killer and baby murderer. I hope one day his BS catches up to his bald broke-back ass

 

[tfridgen]

....He's a shill, IMO. He's a thief, IMO. He shares the name of a wife killer and baby murderer. I hope one day his BS catches up to his bald broke-back ass

Half-quote of the year! Careful not to mention Axe-FX II, inferior and Scott Peterson in the same post or he'll be over in 3...2...1...

 

[cardinal]

That's messed up. Do I think the builder should be "forced" to disclose that he's just using Ceriatone kits? Not really, but if someone wants to post on TGP that the builder is just using Ceriatone kits, I don't see the problem. That definitely should be fair game. And the Digital Modeling forum on TGP is insufferable. I think because there are less players in the market (essentially all of the posts are about Fractal, KPA, Zoom, 11R, or sometimes Line6 just to bash them), it's just awash in fanboiz from a handful of companies bickering or circle jerking with each other.

That is a serious ethical issue. Taking a kit and then putting your name on it is precisely NOT a custom build.

I would be pissed if someone misrepresented a generic kit amp as a custom build.

Kinda dragging this off topic, but aren't there more than a few "boutique" Strat builders that do the same thing with Warmoth and Warmoth-type parts without disclosing that's what they do?

With amps, everyone has to get their parts from some where. Building from a kit just means you're getting all your parts together from the same source. Would I be pissed if I bought a "custom" amp from a guy that just threw together an out-of-the-box Ceriatone? Hell yeah, but I also think it's a bit of a buyer beware situation. I you're going custom with some guy, you had better ask a lot of questions to make sure you're going to get what you're hoping to get.

If you've asked the right questions and the guy misleads or straight out lies, or even without asking a single question, if the touts how his amps are "custom built" and blah blah but he in fact is just a kit builder, now there's a problem IMHO.

 

[DADA]

These forums are just commercial sites which will defend their products and income in every way possible. The worrying thing is that its a bit like a moderator syndicate. On old boys network pushing and hyping the FAS, Atomic and other stuff through as many throats as possible. It is just one commercial marketing strategy and tactics. These are no moderators of forums, these are salesman and henchman for the companies who pay them big time.

But then again ......who cares...It is what it is.....but be warned or just avoid these "Forums".

 

[Ventura]

I tried going there...once.

Being the bigger man isn't always easy.

Personally, I'm just amazed at the amount of weirdness that online camps can generate

 

[steve_k]

At the end of the day, your "freedom of speech" on a forum is controlled by who owns it, pays for it and runs it. People have a hard time with that. Trouble with most forums though is that, "your opinion is fine, as long as it agrees with mine" attitude. People that don't like it, need to move on or work with it. Sad but true, agree or not, that is how it is.

Fractal is a bit different. It's a place for product support, not pissing and moaning about Axe vs. <insert amp here>.

 

[Anonymous]

That's messed up. Do I think the builder should be "forced" to disclose that he's just using Ceriatone kits? Not really, but if someone wants to post on TGP that the builder is just using Ceriatone kits, I don't see the problem. That definitely should be fair game. And the Digital Modeling forum on TGP is insufferable. I think because there are less players in the market (essentially all of the posts are about Fractal, KPA, Zoom, 11R, or sometimes Line6 just to bash them), it's just awash in fanboiz from a handful of companies bickering or circle jerking with each other.

That is a serious ethical issue. Taking a kit and then putting your name on it is precisely NOT a custom build.

I would be pissed if someone misrepresented a generic kit amp as a custom build.

Kinda dragging this off topic, but aren't there more than a few "boutique" Strat builders that do the same thing with Warmoth and Warmoth-type parts without disclosing that's what they do?

With amps, everyone has to get their parts from some where. Building from a kit just means you're getting all your parts together from the same source. Would I be pissed if I bought a "custom" amp from a guy that just threw together an out-of-the-box Ceriatone? Hell yeah, but I also think it's a bit of a buyer beware situation. I you're going custom with some guy, you had better ask a lot of questions to make sure you're going to get what you're hoping to get.

If you've asked the right questions and the guy misleads or straight out lies, or even without asking a single question, if the touts how his amps are "custom built" and blah blah but he in fact is just a kit builder, now there's a problem IMHO.

There is a BIG difference between sourcing parts for a custom build where you are going to drill and stake custom boards with a custom layout and buying a kit from from Ceriatone, building it and putting different plates on it. No one actually doing custom builds would buy kits from Ceriatone. It is cheaper to source the parts from Mouser, etc. This type of crap is simply ripping off the customer by charging a fortune to build a kit. Unacceptable IMO...

Steve

 

[rupe]

If you're buying somebody's copy of an existing design, how "custom built" could it truly be? At that point, why give a shit where the parts came from as long as they're quality parts put together in a skillful manner? It's a clone...where does the added value come from if the guy sources the parts individually rather than doing a bit of "one-stop shopping"?