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[Anonymous]

If you're buying somebody's copy of an existing design, how "custom built" could it truly be? At that point, why give a shit where the parts came from as long as they're quality parts put together in a skillful manner? It's a clone...where does the added value come from if the guy sources the parts individually rather than doing a bit of "one-stop shopping"?

How is it not ripping off the customer if he is taking a Ceriatone kit and charging 3 times the price of the assembled kit from Ceriatone? My understanding was that the customer asked for a Dumble-like custom amp. If this builder had any integrity, he'd just point the guy to the Ceriatone website if all he was going to do was assemble the kit. A custom build means doing your own custom, from scratch boards, etc. not buying a pre-made kit and assembling it. There is little skill in assembling a kit. There is a lot of skill in making your own boards and chassis from scratch, which is the only thing I consider a custom build. Otherwise there is no reason to charge three times what Ceriatone does.

Steve

 

[Stealthtastic]

I like TGP, generally-speaking they are friendly...a little ignorant but eh...who isn't?

 

[killertone]

TGP is a shining example of the internet gone bad, IMO. I stay away from that place and only go there when threads like this are posted out of total curiosity. All internet forums have at least a tinge of the same garbage that TGP has, but the difference is that TGP is built on it.

 

[rupe]

If you're buying somebody's copy of an existing design, how "custom built" could it truly be? At that point, why give a shit where the parts came from as long as they're quality parts put together in a skillful manner? It's a clone...where does the added value come from if the guy sources the parts individually rather than doing a bit of "one-stop shopping"?

How is it not ripping off the customer if he is taking a Ceriatone kit and charging 3 times the price of the assembled kit from Ceriatone? My understanding was that the customer asked for a Dumble-like custom amp. If this builder had any integrity, he'd just point the guy to the Ceriatone website if all he was going to do was assemble the kit. A custom build means doing your own custom, from scratch boards, etc. not buying a pre-made kit and assembling it. There is little skill in assembling a kit. There is a lot of skill in making your own boards and chassis from scratch, which is the only thing I consider a custom build. Otherwise there is no reason to charge three times what Ceriatone does.

Steve

I agree with that....you missed my point based on a difference of perception of "Dumble-style". I'm saying that if a customer is buying a Dumble amp clone (say and Overdrive Special or Steel String Singer...not a Dumble inspired amp, which is how I understood it), then there is nothing "custom" about it to begin with. At that point, the buyer is a dumbass for not doing his homework and knowing that he could simply buy a Ceriatone kit-build. I'm not defending a guy who would charge an incredible premium to slap together a kit...but it should come as no surprise that somebody would do this if the scheme works.

For the sake of discussion though, where does the line get drawn? Some highly regarded custom amps have their brand origins in modified kits.

 

[Anonymous]

If you're buying somebody's copy of an existing design, how "custom built" could it truly be? At that point, why give a shit where the parts came from as long as they're quality parts put together in a skillful manner? It's a clone...where does the added value come from if the guy sources the parts individually rather than doing a bit of "one-stop shopping"?

How is it not ripping off the customer if he is taking a Ceriatone kit and charging 3 times the price of the assembled kit from Ceriatone? My understanding was that the customer asked for a Dumble-like custom amp. If this builder had any integrity, he'd just point the guy to the Ceriatone website if all he was going to do was assemble the kit. A custom build means doing your own custom, from scratch boards, etc. not buying a pre-made kit and assembling it. There is little skill in assembling a kit. There is a lot of skill in making your own boards and chassis from scratch, which is the only thing I consider a custom build. Otherwise there is no reason to charge three times what Ceriatone does.

Steve

I agree with that....you missed my point based on a difference of perception of "Dumble-style". I'm saying that if a customer is buying a Dumble amp clone (say and Overdrive Special or Steel String Singer...not a Dumble inspired amp, which is how I understood it), then there is nothing "custom" about it to begin with. At that point, the buyer is a dumbass for not doing his homework and knowing that he could simply buy a Ceriatone kit-build. I'm not defending a guy who would charge an incredible premium to slap together a kit...but it should come as no surprise that somebody would do this if the scheme works.

For the sake of discussion though, where does the line get drawn? Some highly regarded custom amps have their brand origins in modified kits.

I didn't miss your point, it just wasn't relevant to mine. A custom amp means you are starting from scratch and building the boards, cutting the chassis, etc. if you are simply changing some components in a kit, it isn't a custom amp build to me. May sound great, may sell a lot and people may charge a lot for them, but to me it isn't a custom build. For the record, I don't consider my amp a custom build - it is a production amp. However, it is a design and layout that has never existed before and isn't copied from any existing amp, although there are some things shared with previous designs from a circuit standpoint.

If someone asked me for an actual clone of a Dumble amp, I'd point them to Ceriatone, as well as builders who have designed their own takes on that amp tone and let the buyer decide for himself. I think it unconscionable to take the business, buy a Ceriatone kit and build it and charge 3 times as much (if that is indeed what happened - we are getting this second hand) for a "custom" build, which you agree with.

Steve

 

[rupe]

If you're buying somebody's copy of an existing design, how "custom built" could it truly be? At that point, why give a shit where the parts came from as long as they're quality parts put together in a skillful manner? It's a clone...where does the added value come from if the guy sources the parts individually rather than doing a bit of "one-stop shopping"?

How is it not ripping off the customer if he is taking a Ceriatone kit and charging 3 times the price of the assembled kit from Ceriatone? My understanding was that the customer asked for a Dumble-like custom amp. If this builder had any integrity, he'd just point the guy to the Ceriatone website if all he was going to do was assemble the kit. A custom build means doing your own custom, from scratch boards, etc. not buying a pre-made kit and assembling it. There is little skill in assembling a kit. There is a lot of skill in making your own boards and chassis from scratch, which is the only thing I consider a custom build. Otherwise there is no reason to charge three times what Ceriatone does.

Steve

I agree with that....you missed my point based on a difference of perception of "Dumble-style". I'm saying that if a customer is buying a Dumble amp clone (say and Overdrive Special or Steel String Singer...not a Dumble inspired amp, which is how I understood it), then there is nothing "custom" about it to begin with. At that point, the buyer is a dumbass for not doing his homework and knowing that he could simply buy a Ceriatone kit-build. I'm not defending a guy who would charge an incredible premium to slap together a kit...but it should come as no surprise that somebody would do this if the scheme works.

For the sake of discussion though, where does the line get drawn? Some highly regarded custom amps have their brand origins in modified kits.

I didn't miss your point, it just wasn't relevant to mine. A custom amp means you are starting from scratch and building the boards, cutting the chassis, etc. if you are simply changing some components in a kit, it isn't a custom amp build to me. May sound great, may sell a lot and people may charge a lot for them, but to me it isn't a custom build. For the record, I don't consider my amp a custom build - it is a production amp. However, it is a design and layout that has never existed before and isn't copied from any existing amp, although there are some things shared with previous designs from a circuit standpoint.

If someone asked me for an actual clone of a Dumble amp, I'd point them to Ceriatone, as well as builders who have designed their own takes on that amp tone and let the buyer decide for himself. I think it unconscionable to take the business, buy a Ceriatone kit and build it and charge 3 times as much (if that is indeed what happened - we are getting this second hand) for a "custom" build, which you agree with.

Steve

It didn't need to be relevant to your point...it wasn't directly addressing you. I was talking about somebody ordering a clone and considering it a custom amp, which I went on to say "how custom built could it truly be?". If you're looking for an argument, you've come to the wrong room...you want 12A next door

 

[TrueTone500]

The Gear Page is all about being "PC" which means that you don't say anything that may upset the highest paying contributors, and/or friends of the jackass who runs it. I say go back in there and tell every mod to FO! Getting banned from TGP would be a 'badge of honor' IMO... Wear it proudly!

 

[Anonymous]

If you're buying somebody's copy of an existing design, how "custom built" could it truly be? At that point, why give a shit where the parts came from as long as they're quality parts put together in a skillful manner? It's a clone...where does the added value come from if the guy sources the parts individually rather than doing a bit of "one-stop shopping"?

How is it not ripping off the customer if he is taking a Ceriatone kit and charging 3 times the price of the assembled kit from Ceriatone? My understanding was that the customer asked for a Dumble-like custom amp. If this builder had any integrity, he'd just point the guy to the Ceriatone website if all he was going to do was assemble the kit. A custom build means doing your own custom, from scratch boards, etc. not buying a pre-made kit and assembling it. There is little skill in assembling a kit. There is a lot of skill in making your own boards and chassis from scratch, which is the only thing I consider a custom build. Otherwise there is no reason to charge three times what Ceriatone does.

Steve

I agree with that....you missed my point based on a difference of perception of "Dumble-style". I'm saying that if a customer is buying a Dumble amp clone (say and Overdrive Special or Steel String Singer...not a Dumble inspired amp, which is how I understood it), then there is nothing "custom" about it to begin with. At that point, the buyer is a dumbass for not doing his homework and knowing that he could simply buy a Ceriatone kit-build. I'm not defending a guy who would charge an incredible premium to slap together a kit...but it should come as no surprise that somebody would do this if the scheme works.

For the sake of discussion though, where does the line get drawn? Some highly regarded custom amps have their brand origins in modified kits.

I didn't miss your point, it just wasn't relevant to mine. A custom amp means you are starting from scratch and building the boards, cutting the chassis, etc. if you are simply changing some components in a kit, it isn't a custom amp build to me. May sound great, may sell a lot and people may charge a lot for them, but to me it isn't a custom build. For the record, I don't consider my amp a custom build - it is a production amp. However, it is a design and layout that has never existed before and isn't copied from any existing amp, although there are some things shared with previous designs from a circuit standpoint.

If someone asked me for an actual clone of a Dumble amp, I'd point them to Ceriatone, as well as builders who have designed their own takes on that amp tone and let the buyer decide for himself. I think it unconscionable to take the business, buy a Ceriatone kit and build it and charge 3 times as much (if that is indeed what happened - we are getting this second hand) for a "custom" build, which you agree with.

Steve

It didn't need to be relevant to your point...it wasn't directly addressing you. I was talking about somebody ordering a clone and considering it a custom amp, which I went on to say "how custom built could it truly be?". If you're looking for an argument, you've come to the wrong room...you want 12A next door

Why are you taking offense? You said I missed your point, I assured you I didn't. Not looking for an argument at all and frankly, I'm a bit puzzled by this response...

If you are serious about an answer to your question, I've given one.

Steve

 

[dallasb]

These forums are just commercial sites which will defend their products and income in every way possible. The worrying thing is that its a bit like a moderator syndicate. On old boys network pushing and hyping the FAS, Atomic and other stuff through as many throats as possible. It is just one commercial marketing strategy and tactics. These are no moderators of forums, these are salesman and henchman for the companies who pay them big time.

But then again ......who cares...It is what it is.....but be warned or just avoid these "Forums".

QFT!!!

I don't hang much at TGP but I read there sometimes. I notice just about EVERY thread that speaks negative of Fractal gets locked. Scott used to do it now the other mod does, but I bet Scott tells him so not to like biased.

I will lol hard when those Atomics start failing and the have the same shit happen like they did the original units. Delays Delays Delays. They purposely slow production like Exxon to keep demand up. Another FAS trick.

It's fucking comical the depths some people go to.

 

[rupe]

If you're buying somebody's copy of an existing design, how "custom built" could it truly be? At that point, why give a shit where the parts came from as long as they're quality parts put together in a skillful manner? It's a clone...where does the added value come from if the guy sources the parts individually rather than doing a bit of "one-stop shopping"?

How is it not ripping off the customer if he is taking a Ceriatone kit and charging 3 times the price of the assembled kit from Ceriatone? My understanding was that the customer asked for a Dumble-like custom amp. If this builder had any integrity, he'd just point the guy to the Ceriatone website if all he was going to do was assemble the kit. A custom build means doing your own custom, from scratch boards, etc. not buying a pre-made kit and assembling it. There is little skill in assembling a kit. There is a lot of skill in making your own boards and chassis from scratch, which is the only thing I consider a custom build. Otherwise there is no reason to charge three times what Ceriatone does.

Steve

I agree with that....you missed my point based on a difference of perception of "Dumble-style". I'm saying that if a customer is buying a Dumble amp clone (say and Overdrive Special or Steel String Singer...not a Dumble inspired amp, which is how I understood it), then there is nothing "custom" about it to begin with. At that point, the buyer is a dumbass for not doing his homework and knowing that he could simply buy a Ceriatone kit-build. I'm not defending a guy who would charge an incredible premium to slap together a kit...but it should come as no surprise that somebody would do this if the scheme works.

For the sake of discussion though, where does the line get drawn? Some highly regarded custom amps have their brand origins in modified kits.

I didn't miss your point, it just wasn't relevant to mine. A custom amp means you are starting from scratch and building the boards, cutting the chassis, etc. if you are simply changing some components in a kit, it isn't a custom amp build to me. May sound great, may sell a lot and people may charge a lot for them, but to me it isn't a custom build. For the record, I don't consider my amp a custom build - it is a production amp. However, it is a design and layout that has never existed before and isn't copied from any existing amp, although there are some things shared with previous designs from a circuit standpoint.

If someone asked me for an actual clone of a Dumble amp, I'd point them to Ceriatone, as well as builders who have designed their own takes on that amp tone and let the buyer decide for himself. I think it unconscionable to take the business, buy a Ceriatone kit and build it and charge 3 times as much (if that is indeed what happened - we are getting this second hand) for a "custom" build, which you agree with.

Steve

It didn't need to be relevant to your point...it wasn't directly addressing you. I was talking about somebody ordering a clone and considering it a custom amp, which I went on to say "how custom built could it truly be?". If you're looking for an argument, you've come to the wrong room...you want 12A next door

Why are you taking offense? You said I missed your point, I assured you I didn't. Not looking for an argument at all and frankly, I'm a bit puzzled by this response...

If you are serious about an answer to your question, I've given one.

Steve

The argument part was a joke from a Monty Python skit...wasn't a serious comment. Back on topic, you said my point wasn't relevant to yours, when in fact I never addressed you directly until you addressed me. What exactly to you believe my point was?

Beyond that, why would my point need to be relevant to yours? I was simply making a statement that anybody buying a clone in my opinion would not be buying a custom amp. And given that it's not truly a custom, why care where the parts come. I was in no way endorsing charging 3x the price to assemble a kit.

Color me puzzled as well.

 

[Anonymous]

If you're buying somebody's copy of an existing design, how "custom built" could it truly be? At that point, why give a shit where the parts came from as long as they're quality parts put together in a skillful manner? It's a clone...where does the added value come from if the guy sources the parts individually rather than doing a bit of "one-stop shopping"?

How is it not ripping off the customer if he is taking a Ceriatone kit and charging 3 times the price of the assembled kit from Ceriatone? My understanding was that the customer asked for a Dumble-like custom amp. If this builder had any integrity, he'd just point the guy to the Ceriatone website if all he was going to do was assemble the kit. A custom build means doing your own custom, from scratch boards, etc. not buying a pre-made kit and assembling it. There is little skill in assembling a kit. There is a lot of skill in making your own boards and chassis from scratch, which is the only thing I consider a custom build. Otherwise there is no reason to charge three times what Ceriatone does.

Steve

I agree with that....you missed my point based on a difference of perception of "Dumble-style". I'm saying that if a customer is buying a Dumble amp clone (say and Overdrive Special or Steel String Singer...not a Dumble inspired amp, which is how I understood it), then there is nothing "custom" about it to begin with. At that point, the buyer is a dumbass for not doing his homework and knowing that he could simply buy a Ceriatone kit-build. I'm not defending a guy who would charge an incredible premium to slap together a kit...but it should come as no surprise that somebody would do this if the scheme works.

For the sake of discussion though, where does the line get drawn? Some highly regarded custom amps have their brand origins in modified kits.

I didn't miss your point, it just wasn't relevant to mine. A custom amp means you are starting from scratch and building the boards, cutting the chassis, etc. if you are simply changing some components in a kit, it isn't a custom amp build to me. May sound great, may sell a lot and people may charge a lot for them, but to me it isn't a custom build. For the record, I don't consider my amp a custom build - it is a production amp. However, it is a design and layout that has never existed before and isn't copied from any existing amp, although there are some things shared with previous designs from a circuit standpoint.

If someone asked me for an actual clone of a Dumble amp, I'd point them to Ceriatone, as well as builders who have designed their own takes on that amp tone and let the buyer decide for himself. I think it unconscionable to take the business, buy a Ceriatone kit and build it and charge 3 times as much (if that is indeed what happened - we are getting this second hand) for a "custom" build, which you agree with.

Steve

It didn't need to be relevant to your point...it wasn't directly addressing you. I was talking about somebody ordering a clone and considering it a custom amp, which I went on to say "how custom built could it truly be?". If you're looking for an argument, you've come to the wrong room...you want 12A next door

Why are you taking offense? You said I missed your point, I assured you I didn't. Not looking for an argument at all and frankly, I'm a bit puzzled by this response...

If you are serious about an answer to your question, I've given one.

Steve

The argument part was a joke from a Monty Python skit...wasn't a serious comment. Back on topic, you said my point wasn't relevant to yours, when in fact I never addressed you directly until you addressed me. What exactly to you believe my point was?

Beyond that, why would my point need to be relevant to yours? I was simply making a statement that anybody buying a clone in my opinion would not be buying a custom amp. And given that it's not truly a custom, why care where the parts come. I was in no way endorsing charging 3x the price to assemble a kit.

Color me puzzled as well.

My point was that a clone could still be a custom built amp and I explained how. When you said I missed your point, I simply pointed out that I hadn't, but chose not to address it as it was not relevant to my response.

Steve

 

[carlygtr]

Here you go

 

[ejecta]

Here you go

Nice infomercial.

 

[dooredge]

Hello everyone, my name is Scott Peterson and I'm a Fractosexual.

 

[ejecta]

Hello everyone, my name is Scott Peterson and I'm a Fractosexual.

 

[Red_Label]

Ugggh... TGP and TheAcousticGuitarForum are both abodes of bed-wetting nancy boys who soil themselves at the very hint of a REAL discussion. I hang-out at both forums from time to time, but have gotten infractions where I honestly didn't even know what I'd said or who I'd offended. Friggin bloody HELL I can't deal with sandy manginas who can't even handle a little spirited debate.

 

[yankeebulldog]

Big Mike is the most level headed mod they have. I have witnessed every other mod there (aside from Bryan) make dumbass comments and curtail discussions to a ridiculous amount.

If this is true, they are really in trouble over there.

 

[lespaul6]

Scott Peterson, 'nuff said. Years and years ago he singled me out w/ intent to ruin Guytron, the Co. All I did was buy the amp, use it, post what I thought was a shortcoming. Because others agreed with me, he singled me out.

Him and the rest are all power-mad little people. Modding at TGP somehow builds their fragile egos. He's a shill, IMO. He's a thief, IMO. He shares the name of a wife killer and baby murderer. I hope one day his BS catches up to his bald broke-back ass

here here... and the same goes for big mike and rest of them fat fucking jackasses over there.... fuck off

 

[yankeebulldog]

 

[yankeebulldog]

If you think he's level headed, just try posting an innocent joke about TGP on another forum where he's also a mod.