Mark IIC+ vs IIC++ vs JP-2C video review.

[Snave]

The IIC+ was the middiest, C++ sounded more scooped in the EQ, and the JP-2C kind of had the lows of the C++ and the more subdued highs of the IIC+.

 

[LP Freak]

I think they all sound good. I tend to prefer the C+ in my stash to the other variations. Lots of comparisons for sure. I still currently have a C+, C++, a pair of IV (A)'s, etc. I've had just about everything imaginable, so I won't even bother listing it all.

That said, I'd recommend dialing in the amps to sound their best and not trying to set the knobs the same. The EQ sits a little different in the ++ than on the +, the input gain is higher, the etc. My point is if you dial in 1 of the 3 how you want it and then try to dial in the other 2 the same, that first one is probably going to sound the best to you because you dialed it to sound great, then set the others up when the settings won't be 1:1. Don't worry about the settings being the same. Dial them all in individually to sound their best and compare. Using similar settings will leave 2 at a disadvantage.

I agree 100%

 

[GJgo]

I did make some very subtle tweaks to get it to sound right on the mic, since how it sounds on the mic is not the same as how it sounds in the room. That said in hindsight the only thing I would have tweaked further is a little more 80hz slider on the C+.

I'm surprised that the JP is winning in the poll!

Once I get the headshell for the DRG so I can run the reverb I plan on doing a clean comparo vid.

 

[psychodave]

I'm a 2C++ nut hugger. I really hoped the JP2C was going to sound better, then I would have sold off my 2C++. I go by my ear, not my wallet.

With that said, I have a boogie rack that absolutely crushes. I almost don't need my amp heads anymore.

What'd ya get a Quad Preamp? One of those with a 2:90's is a great setup.

2 Triaxis (not stock), Studio Preamp (not stock), custom GEQ, Korg DL8000R, Strategy 400 (added depth pots). Using Mesa high gain amp switcher, CAE/Bradshaw 4x4 looper with CAE/Bradshaw midi foot switch.

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

... and out come the nutthuggers.

Get a job! Maybe if you got an education and a decent job you wouldn't have to troll people here with nice stuff. Yeah... I got nice stuff... and I worked hard for all of it. There are plenty of people with nicer stuff than me here... you don't see me trolling them for it. How deficient are you? Maybe if you stopped flipping burgers at WhackRonalds, a make something of yourself... you could buy yourself some decent stuff... and stop hatin. Just think... you might have money to afford overnight shipping for a guitar... instead of whining like a little b!@tch and posting a thread about how it wasn't shipped out fast enough here.... and going around bi@tching how you're broke in numerous gear threads... what happened your wife that makes more than you stopped giving you your allowance or something?

Get a job... you broke-@$$-mofo-BUM!!!

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

I'm surprised that the JP is winning in the poll!

This +1.

I expected a full C+ original landslide. The C+ nutthuggers must be at the annual circle-jerk convention or something.

For the money, tone, and features the JP2C is a no brainer. I might have to get one now that I keep hearing all these clips. I had the MKV which I liked, but the MIIC+ mode sounded much different than your clips (thinner/more trebly)... not in a good way either. I had a MKIV years ago... but only liked and used the 3rd lead channel... so I sold it.

 

[peterc52]

Debating with myself whether to get a Mark IV for $1100 or a JP2C for $4000 (yes, they cost that much in Denmark). 2C+ is not an option here in Denmark.

 

[splawner]

I'm surprised that the JP is winning in the poll!

This +1.

I expected a full C+ original landslide. The C+ nutthuggers must be at the annual circle-jerk convention or something.

For the money, tone, and features the JP2C is a no brainer. I might have to get one now that I keep hearing all these clips. I had the MKV which I liked, but the MIIC+ mode sounded much different than your clips (thinner/more trebly)... not in a good way either. I had a MKIV years ago... but only liked and used the 3rd lead channel... so I sold it.

I have a JP2C and it is going down as one of the best amps i ever owned...Tons of features and tones in this amp....

 

[thiswaythatway]

... and out come the nutthuggers.

Get a job! Maybe if you got an education and a decent job you wouldn't have to troll people here with nice stuff. Yeah... I got nice stuff... and I worked hard for all of it. There are plenty of people with nicer stuff than me here... you don't see me trolling them for it. How deficient are you? Maybe if you stopped flipping burgers at WhackRonalds, a make something of yourself... you could buy yourself some decent stuff... and stop hatin. Just think... you might have money to afford overnight shipping for a guitar... instead of whining like a little b!@tch and posting a thread about how it wasn't shipped out fast enough here.... and going around bi@tching how you're broke in numerous gear threads... what happened your wife that makes more than you stopped giving you your allowance or something?

Get a job... you broke-@$$-mofo-BUM!!!

Haha, that was a fun read. Maybe if you didn't spend so much time paying attention to my posts as you did actually playing your own gear you wouldn't suck so bad. Go over to Groomed Noodlers, you fit in there perfectly.

 

[psychodave]

... and out come the nutthuggers.

Get a job! Maybe if you got an education and a decent job you wouldn't have to troll people here with nice stuff. Yeah... I got nice stuff... and I worked hard for all of it. There are plenty of people with nicer stuff than me here... you don't see me trolling them for it. How deficient are you? Maybe if you stopped flipping burgers at WhackRonalds, a make something of yourself... you could buy yourself some decent stuff... and stop hatin. Just think... you might have money to afford overnight shipping for a guitar... instead of whining like a little b!@tch and posting a thread about how it wasn't shipped out fast enough here.... and going around bi@tching how you're broke in numerous gear threads... what happened your wife that makes more than you stopped giving you your allowance or something?

Get a job... you broke-@$$-mofo-BUM!!!

Dude, relax! You sound like a n immature adult with your rant.

 

[Racerxrated]

... and out come the nutthuggers.

Get a job! Maybe if you got an education and a decent job you wouldn't have to troll people here with nice stuff. Yeah... I got nice stuff... and I worked hard for all of it. There are plenty of people with nicer stuff than me here... you don't see me trolling them for it. How deficient are you? Maybe if you stopped flipping burgers at WhackRonalds, a make something of yourself... you could buy yourself some decent stuff... and stop hatin. Just think... you might have money to afford overnight shipping for a guitar... instead of whining like a little b!@tch and posting a thread about how it wasn't shipped out fast enough here.... and going around bi@tching how you're broke in numerous gear threads... what happened your wife that makes more than you stopped giving you your allowance or something?

Get a job... you broke-@$$-mofo-BUM!!!

You have SERIOUS issues dude. WTF?? Butthurt is serious with this one. I haven't read anywhere at least on this forum that anyone thinks the JP2C is a flop, or somehow a bad amp. It sounds really killer when I hear clips. It just doesn't measure up quite to the original. So Fn what??
If I play a plexi RI and a 72 JMP back to back, I'm gonna choose the 72. If I play a 2203 RI and an 82 2203, I'm gonna choose the 82. BECAUSE THEY SOUND BETTER!!
A ton better? No. But better nonetheless.
It's like you feel the need to defend the JP2C, or rip on the original. Why? Makes no sense unless somehow a 2C+ wronged you in some way.
People on this forum I trust, say that the JP2C falls short in some areas. Even the OP admits it. Does that mean it's a bad amp? No, it just means for those who have a vintage 2C+ they will know that the JP doesn't quite get there. It's really no big deal.
But then a post comparing a Mk4 to the JP comes in, and like your life depended on it you get your butthurt on.
Crazy. FYI of all the guys on this forum, 2 of the biggest Mesa fans/supporters are Danyeo and Psychodave. You act like somehow they are hating on Mesa.

 

[Racerxrated]

Debating with myself whether to get a Mark IV for $1100 or a JP2C for $4000 (yes, they cost that much in Denmark). 2C+ is not an option here in Denmark.

Someone here will eventually put a JP or original 2C+ up for sale...just bide your time..

 

[thisguy]

I prefer the top amp but given that the JP2C sounds so close, beats out a MkIv or V and is available off the shelf withe about 98% the same tone-age as an ancient amp modded...I vote JP2C.

Does it?

I really like the way that MarkIV sounds! I was surprised to see he was using a rectifier cab. I'm assuming it was an OS cab.

This was pretty cool also.

 

[GJgo]

Matt seems like the kind of guy who has a strong background in production & knows how to make amps sound really good. I appreciate his stuff.

I don't have any kind of production background, I'm just running one track straight out of the amp so you can hear how it sounds raw. Hell, just getting a real mic is a step up for me!

 

[mojotone]

Take the Simul-class one, flip the switch to Class-A, go to the rhythm channel and max out the Vol 1 knob. Let those 6CA7's work hard, and then the true differences in the amps will come clear. Not that one is better than the other, but you can get a better judge of things that way.

 

[NinjaRaf]

I prefer the top amp but given that the JP2C sounds so close, beats out a MkIv or V and is available off the shelf withe about 98% the same tone-age as an ancient amp modded...I vote JP2C.

Does it?

Definitely agree with a couple others that said they like the IV better in this clip.

I bought my IV off of a dude on here almost a year ago. Worked for 2 months, then broke, sat on a shelf for a month before I took it to a local Mesa place. They had it for 10 fucking weeks before I got pissed enough to bring Mesa in on the whole thing...ended up picking it up and shipping it to Mesa. Got it back 3-4 weeks later and it was working and sounding as good as ever. Still having an issue with the bass control, though, so eventually will have to send it back in.

In any case, I really have been wanting to try out a JP2C. Just not so easy to find around here because the only Mesa dealer in town doesn't keep them in stock.

Either way, I love my IV. Its by far the best amp I have ever played, and it suits me perfectly.

 

[blackba]

I see I am in the minority, but I preferred the iiC+, just sounded a little warmer to me. The jp2c was my least favorite and sounded a touch sterile by comparison. I honestly would be happy with any. I know my mark Iva is going no where.

 

[GJgo]

Here's a quick clip I took with the iPhone of some solid cleans out of the IIC++, for those who say it kills the cleans. Using my ESP Horizon in single coil mode.

https://soundcloud.com/user-281594556/hrg-cleans

 

[rich2017]

I prefer the top amp but given that the JP2C sounds so close, beats out a MkIv or V and is available off the shelf withe about 98% the same tone-age as an ancient amp modded...I vote JP2C.

Does it?

Both amps are awesome (I've had both and currently have the JP), "better" is definitely subjective; I will say though that in the clip, Matt had the presence pushed on the IV (neg feedback removed, more bass etc.) vs. it being pulled on the JP (traditional C+), so it's not exactly an apples-to-apples comparison. With the JP presence pushed you can match Matt's tone on his IV more closely (or vice versa).

 

[Kirk from Metallica]

The JP2C sounds great, but I've heard and played IIC+'s for so long now that I can't argue with them. My vote is the IIC+