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d1469d
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Has anyone played a Marshall JCM 800 2210 or have experience with one ? The good, the bad, the ugly ? I have been reading a lot about them and it seems like people really like them or really hate them.
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Racerxrated
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If you get an 87 or newer 2205/10 they sound great and no channel bleed. I've had 2 good ones..both 87s. Had an 86, 82 and an 83 4210. Yuck. More gain, different preamp circuit and no channel bleed starting in 87. Basically some of the DNA of the jubilee clean and loop went into the 87 and newer channel switchers. At least I read that. All I know is the 2 87s were MUCH better than the earlier models I owned.d1469d":1xuoi48m said:
suhrimmetal
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Yep....what Tom ^^ said. 
2205 or 2210... channel switchers, loop, clipping diodes... later models have no channel bleed and bit more gain. Norum and Schenker dig em and still use em. Ive heard some KILLER tones rolling back the gain to 11clock or so and hitting the front with an sd-1... gets you into the 'good' modded territory without the pricetag. Im most likely picking up a 2205 here soon I think. 2210 will be very similar with a bit more headroom.
2205 or 2210... channel switchers, loop, clipping diodes... later models have no channel bleed and bit more gain. Norum and Schenker dig em and still use em. Ive heard some KILLER tones rolling back the gain to 11clock or so and hitting the front with an sd-1... gets you into the 'good' modded territory without the pricetag. Im most likely picking up a 2205 here soon I think. 2210 will be very similar with a bit more headroom.
Chris6870
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I bought a 2210 new in 87-88. Clean is not very good,reverb is adequate. Overdrive is OK,kind of thin not much saturation. Not many mods for it or so I have been told. Bought my first Splawn in 09 ,sold the Marshall soon after and never looked back.I don't miss it at all.
suhrimmetal
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BrokenFusion":4jgb1mqb said:
Yeah... the Splawn thing must be a Love/Hate amp.. Ive owned a couple... clips I listen to sound ok... my guitar player still plays a QR.. it's not a bad amp by any means and Scott seems to be a good dude. I could just never bond with the feel or voicing of the amps. Very percussive, immediate... the older ones Master volume and loop was not very good at all imo.... Not saying they are great or not.. Just not for me. Everytime I do my amp search I revisit them for a moment.. but my feeling remains the same. To each their own tho. Cheers
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tonesfoyobones
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I've had several. 1 earlier '84 version which had the channel bleed. 2 '87's and 1 '89.
Early version sucked.
One of the 87's sounded like the one mentioned above. Thin and week.
The other '87 and the '89 where awesome! Never needed a pedal on either of those. Great all the way around.
Tried same tubes in all. All where 100% stock.
Differences for sure. Like mentioned stay with the later versions for best chance of a good one.
Early version sucked.
One of the 87's sounded like the one mentioned above. Thin and week.
The other '87 and the '89 where awesome! Never needed a pedal on either of those. Great all the way around.
Tried same tubes in all. All where 100% stock.
Differences for sure. Like mentioned stay with the later versions for best chance of a good one.
Chris6870
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Your on the right track with a Mark IV. Have one of those too. Killer amp.suhrimmetal":1345ckqt said:
suhrimmetal
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BrokenFusion":2yqcznqg said:
You're not helping...lol. I go back and forth daily...hourly.. Thinking all maybe get the landry and be done with it... or redplate magica... OR... just keep treading water til the right fortin/gower or cameron mod comes up. Thanks to a kind soul here on this forum... at least im able to play thru an amp and keep my chops up... Forever humbled and grateful.
mooncobra
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I had a modded 2210 and it was really cool. the gain structure was changed a bit and a boost was also added.
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Racerxrated
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Yeah like any Marshall they can be OK or Killer..the first 87 sounded really warm, almost JMP like instead of 800 aggressive. The second was perfect.....gain on 10, perfect boosted Marshall except no boost was used. Perfect shape, but sold it to fund an SLO.....there are some YouTube vids of these amps that sound as good as any modded Marshall out there.
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dual lead
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I've had 2 or 3 over the years and liked all of them. But there was one that sounded better than the other and I think it was an '87 year model. I liked the 2210 quite a bit better than the 2205.
I still own a 2210 that I had modded by Jon Wilder and later tweaked by Brian at BFG amplification. it's been my number 1 amp for quite a few years. But the stock one I had was great too and I played many gigs with it and always got compliments on my sound. I usually cranked the channel volume & gain up to around 8 and the master volume would be on 1. Didn't really need a boost either but sometimes a clean boost added that little bit extra for some metal rhythms. The fx loop worked well too.
I still own a 2210 that I had modded by Jon Wilder and later tweaked by Brian at BFG amplification. it's been my number 1 amp for quite a few years. But the stock one I had was great too and I played many gigs with it and always got compliments on my sound. I usually cranked the channel volume & gain up to around 8 and the master volume would be on 1. Didn't really need a boost either but sometimes a clean boost added that little bit extra for some metal rhythms. The fx loop worked well too.
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southpark tube lab
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a 2204 with some mods would be nice.the diode clipping is not the same some like it some do not
Little B
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I owned a drop dead mint 89 for years..loved it..i used it together with a 6100..loved them both..don't have either..wish I had them both back...boy do I wish I had them both back...but on the plus side, you see late 80s 2210s pop up for sale now and then..I saw, if I recall it right, at least 5 88-89's for sale in 2015..on various social media sites..On my 89 I had, you could actually hear where the diode clipping started kicking in when turning up the gain.And that didn't bother me in the least..sounded killer.got lots of tone compliments with that head.( its important you get the amp professionally biased with good tubes- this makes all the difference in the 2210)..geez...now I really miss it..!
psychodave
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A simple depth mod should help out any thin sounds. Add a push pull pot and you can have two different value caps to provide a myriad of different sounds. For example, use a .002 across the pot and put a .022 across the pot switch. Now you will have a choice between very different sounds. Add a rotary pot with caps for even more flexibility. Very simple stuff that yields great results.
AndyK
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Basically old technology that didn't work as well as newer channel switchers.
You are way better off with a DSL, or, 2204 and some pedals.
You are way better off with a DSL, or, 2204 and some pedals.
DeezDemos
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I just picked up an '89 2205 & it's fricken killer!
Been wanting another one since I sold mine back in the early 90's. My favorite Marshall.
Been wanting another one since I sold mine back in the early 90's. My favorite Marshall.
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Racerxrated
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I will agree about the 2203/4. DSL? No chance. And I've owned a couple. They're ok. But either 87 switcher I had absolutely killed dsls I've owned/played. No disrespect to dsls everywhere.AndyK":1qhvnv8t said:
suhrimmetal
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Racerxrated":5j29x0kg said:
haven't played a 2205 yet....but owned a Jubilee... Nice amp. I just played a DSL in guitar center 2 days ago... and tho I couldn't crank it up... I couldnt stand it... sounded fizzy, cheap, generic. The JVM wasn't much better. I didn't spend much time with either since I didn't like what I was hearing... but glad I tried and officially crossed them off my 'could be' list.
AndyK
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suhrimmetal":1if466or said:
Both the DSL (older English models) and JVM can be made to sound killer with the right EQing. Otherwise, crank the gains past 12:00 and you do get fuzzy mush.
The 2205/10 series uses diodes for the gain channel. Which is why I couldn't bond with my 1x12 2205 combo no matter what I did. and why a 2204 kills it in every way!
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Racerxrated
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Did you ever play a late model 2205/10? I've had a few earlier models, hated them. Took a chance on an 87..killer. And if you boost a 2203/4, there's really not much difference in the clipping in a 2205/10 and throwing a boost in front of any vintage Marshall. And when you turn up the gain on them you can actually tell when the diodes kick in. So you can keep them out of the equation if you want. I had the master up, gain at 7 and adjusted overall volume with the channel vol. nice power tube saturation that way. They get a bad rap but the late models imo can sound every bit as good as a 2204.AndyK":2hc30jnk said: