Marshall Astoria Discontinued?

[MistaGuitah]

I just noticed that Marshall seems to have discontinued the Astoria series and replaced them with some cheap foreign line called the Origin or something. That really sucks because they seemed like kickass amps. I was going to buy one. Anyone know about this?

 

[RaceU4her]

all the big retailers still have them. that amp came out and oddly for a marshall no one seemed to care

 

[napalmdeath]

Wasn't a big mover. I've seen some crazy blowout prices on them.

The Origin has gotten alot of attention. I've seen more Origin buzz, than any other amp released at NAMM from anybody, next to the newly revamped DSL. Pages and pages of threads at TGP, Marshall, and other forums.

I'm hugely intrigued by the Origin 50 head. Waiting for some feedback/demos through a 4x12. All the demos are through a 10" speaker, 20 watt combo, and a Strat. None of which, are in my wheelhouse.

 

[MistaGuitah]

Wasn't a big mover. I've seen some crazy blowout prices on them.

The Origin has gotten alot of attention. I've seen more Origin buzz, than any other amp released at NAMM from anybody, next to the newly revamped DSL. Pages and pages of threads at TGP, Marshall, and other forums.

I'm hugely intrigued by the Origin 50 head. Waiting for some feedback/demos through a 4x12. All the demos are through a 10" speaker, 20 watt combo, and a Strat. None of which, are in my wheelhouse.

Well we're talking handwired, masterbuilt Marshalls vs. cheap Marshalls made in China or Pakistan or wherever. $650 retail for the 50w Origins head; well like the DSL line, it's great and all, but for Marshall it has to be UK made or nothing for me. That's just me though. I'm wondering how much they'll be selling for later.

 

[napalmdeath]

Wasn't a big mover. I've seen some crazy blowout prices on them.

The Origin has gotten alot of attention. I've seen more Origin buzz, than any other amp released at NAMM from anybody, next to the newly revamped DSL. Pages and pages of threads at TGP, Marshall, and other forums.

I'm hugely intrigued by the Origin 50 head. Waiting for some feedback/demos through a 4x12. All the demos are through a 10" speaker, 20 watt combo, and a Strat. None of which, are in my wheelhouse.

Well we're talking handwired, masterbuilt Marshalls vs. cheap Marshalls made in China or Pakistan or wherever. $650 retail for the 50w Origins head; well like the DSL line, it's great and all, but for Marshall it has to be UK made or nothing for me. That's just me though. I'm wondering how much they'll be selling for later.

Now I get the low post count...

You must have migrated over from TGP, or a troll that got bounced here and is now under a new username. Welcome to RT..

 

[MistaGuitah]

Wasn't a big mover. I've seen some crazy blowout prices on them.

The Origin has gotten alot of attention. I've seen more Origin buzz, than any other amp released at NAMM from anybody, next to the newly revamped DSL. Pages and pages of threads at TGP, Marshall, and other forums.

I'm hugely intrigued by the Origin 50 head. Waiting for some feedback/demos through a 4x12. All the demos are through a 10" speaker, 20 watt combo, and a Strat. None of which, are in my wheelhouse.

Well we're talking handwired, masterbuilt Marshalls vs. cheap Marshalls made in China or Pakistan or wherever. $650 retail for the 50w Origins head; well like the DSL line, it's great and all, but for Marshall it has to be UK made or nothing for me. That's just me though. I'm wondering how much they'll be selling for later.

Now I get the low post count...

You must have migrated over from TGP, or a troll that got bounced here and is now under a new username. Welcome to RT..

Are you always this reactionary and irrational? I thought you were just grumpy in the last thread but I'm starting to see a pattern here. I reject your "welcome" by the way because I'm pretty sure your shit attitude doesn't represent the majority of members here but now I will welcome to my ignore list.

 

[lespaul6]

Wasn't a big mover. I've seen some crazy blowout prices on them.

The Origin has gotten alot of attention. I've seen more Origin buzz, than any other amp released at NAMM from anybody, next to the newly revamped DSL. Pages and pages of threads at TGP, Marshall, and other forums.

I'm hugely intrigued by the Origin 50 head. Waiting for some feedback/demos through a 4x12. All the demos are through a 10" speaker, 20 watt combo, and a Strat. None of which, are in my wheelhouse.

Well we're talking handwired, masterbuilt Marshalls vs. cheap Marshalls made in China or Pakistan or wherever. $650 retail for the 50w Origins head; well like the DSL line, it's great and all, but for Marshall it has to be UK made or nothing for me. That's just me though. I'm wondering how much they'll be selling for later.

Now I get the low post count...

You must have migrated over from TGP, or a troll that got bounced here and is now under a new username. Welcome to RT..

nailed it

 

[napalmdeath]

Wasn't a big mover. I've seen some crazy blowout prices on them.

The Origin has gotten alot of attention. I've seen more Origin buzz, than any other amp released at NAMM from anybody, next to the newly revamped DSL. Pages and pages of threads at TGP, Marshall, and other forums.

I'm hugely intrigued by the Origin 50 head. Waiting for some feedback/demos through a 4x12. All the demos are through a 10" speaker, 20 watt combo, and a Strat. None of which, are in my wheelhouse.

Well we're talking handwired, masterbuilt Marshalls vs. cheap Marshalls made in China or Pakistan or wherever. $650 retail for the 50w Origins head; well like the DSL line, it's great and all, but for Marshall it has to be UK made or nothing for me. That's just me though. I'm wondering how much they'll be selling for later.

Now I get the low post count...

You must have migrated over from TGP, or a troll that got bounced here and is now under a new username. Welcome to RT..

Are you always this reactionary and irrational? I thought you were just grumpy in the last thread but I'm starting to see a pattern here. I reject your "welcome" by the way because I'm pretty sure your shit attitude doesn't represent the majority of members here but now I will welcome to my ignore list.

I'd read your own posts, before throwing around words like "reactionary & irrational". Make sure you read them from the other thread too.. I'm seeing a pattern with you as well, troll.

And, yes. They have an ignore function here, just like The Gear Page.

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

MistaGuitah = Savageriffer aka Ubermetaldood

He’s Shinobekama on The Gear Page. Same guy.

 

[napalmdeath]

MistaGuitah = Savageriffer aka Ubermetaldood

He’s Shinobekama on The Gear Page. Same guy.

I KNEW IT! Explains why he's in denial!

 

[fusedbrain]

MistaGuitah = Savageriffer aka Ubermetaldood

He’s Shinobekama on The Gear Page. Same guy.

Damn, you beat me to it

Saw that other thread yesterday and thought ...He's baaaack....... Savageriffer for sure

 

[hehasthejazzhands]

all the big retailers still have them. that amp came out and oddly for a marshall no one seemed to care

Seriously. I saw more interest in the Vintage Modern than I did the Astoria.

Then again, the VM had Doug Aldrich and sl00sh behind it. Even then, no one seemed to really care about the VM.

 

[Mudder]

The Astoria was an answer to a question no one asked. "What brand new Marshall can I pay $3000 for?" Any of the tones from the Astoria line could be had from vintage amps for less. Why pay so much for a red Astoria when jcm800s are available for half?

 

[napalmdeath]

The Astoria was an answer to a question no one asked. "What brand new Marshall can I pay $3000 for?" Any of the tones from the Astoria line could be had from vintage amps for less. Why pay so much for a red Astoria when jcm800s are available for half?

I honestly never heard, or even seen one, personally. I've read many good things about them, however. I think part of the turn-off to some, were the aesthetics. Red, blue, green with racing stripes, (or whatever it is)?? I think if they made them black/gold, people could relate more, thus more interested in a "proper" Marshall...

I really didn't even see reviews, or read of any owners, until they started selling at big discounts. Price/funny colors/looks, I believe, made it doomed to fail.

 

[ewill52]

The Astoria was an answer to a question no one asked. "What brand new Marshall can I pay $3000 for?" Any of the tones from the Astoria line could be had from vintage amps for less. Why pay so much for a red Astoria when jcm800s are available for half?

This. Some great tones coming out of those amps but why would I pay $3k for a Marshall when there's a massive marketplace of great boutique marshall-voiced amps for less cash and will hold their value just as well (and sound just as good)?

 

[Speeddemon]

The Astoria was an answer to a question no one asked. "What brand new Marshall can I pay $3000 for?" Any of the tones from the Astoria line could be had from vintage amps for less. Why pay so much for a red Astoria when jcm800s are available for half?

Hmm, I wouldn't say that.

Looking at the pure functionality, while using big glass for lower wattage, I would love such a thing (just not at that price point

Footswitchable FX-Loop, 2 channels with boost...

But yeah, looks-wise, I think Marshall overplayed their hand...

 

[MistaGuitah]

The Astoria was an answer to a question no one asked. "What brand new Marshall can I pay $3000 for?" Any of the tones from the Astoria line could be had from vintage amps for less. Why pay so much for a red Astoria when jcm800s are available for half?

This. Some great tones coming out of those amps but why would I pay $3k for a Marshall when there's a massive marketplace of great boutique marshall-voiced amps for less cash and will hold their value just as well (and sound just as good)?

Hold on, I don't agree with that logic. Why can't Marshall build a boutique and compete with the prices of the other boutiques? If anything, Marshall has earned the right more than anyone to command high prices and compete with anyone they want. Isn't Marshall the largest, longest running amp king in the history of amps next to Fender? The question is why should some piddledeedoo boutique builder come out of nowhere and be able to ask $3600 for a single channel amp and Marshall can't?

Besides, have you even really looked at the features of the Astoria Dual? Here, I'll list some of them:

1. Dual Channels - clean & overdriven
2. Power Reduction - from 30 to 5 watts
3. FX Loop - manual toggle and footswitchable. when disengaged, loop level acts as a 2nd master volume.
4. Cathode Biased - swap any octal tube without needing to rebias.
5. No Load Master Volume - when the master is 100% turned up, it disengages and turns it into a non-master volume amp.
6. High and Low Inputs - -6DB low input

It's a handwired boutique amp from Marshall, and those are some pretty damn cool features I must say, so I don't get all the criticism. Perhaps the tolex did it in, but if someone judges an amp by the tolex, then they probably don't know how to use an amp anyway. Either way it's pretty cool that Marshall offered their customers something at a time when boutique amps were soaring. It makes no sense to criticize them for that. It makes not sense to criticize the prices when this forum discusses more expensive amps all day long by builders who've only been around a fraction of the time Marshall has.

As far as holding value, have you seen the prices original Silver Jubilees, Slash JCM800s, and all kinds of vintage Marshalls go for? That 5w SL-5 Marshall used to make in China has been discontinued for years and sell for more now than it did when it was in production. People can shit on the price all day, but in a few years I'll be the Astorias will be missed and you won't be able to get them for less than $3k.

 

[napalmdeath]

The Astoria was an answer to a question no one asked. "What brand new Marshall can I pay $3000 for?" Any of the tones from the Astoria line could be had from vintage amps for less. Why pay so much for a red Astoria when jcm800s are available for half?

This. Some great tones coming out of those amps but why would I pay $3k for a Marshall when there's a massive marketplace of great boutique marshall-voiced amps for less cash and will hold their value just as well (and sound just as good)?

Hold on, I don't agree with that logic. Why can't Marshall build a boutique and compete with the prices of the other boutiques? If anything, Marshall has earned the right more than anyone to command high prices and compete with anyone they want. Isn't Marshall the largest, longest running amp king in the history of amps next to Fender? The question is why should some piddledeedoo boutique builder come out of nowhere and be able to ask $3600 for a single channel amp and Marshall can't?

Besides, have you even really looked at the features of the Astoria Dual? Here, I'll list some of them:

1. Dual Channels - clean & overdriven
2. Power Reduction - from 30 to 5 watts
3. FX Loop - manual toggle and footswitchable. when disengaged, loop level acts as a 2nd master volume.
4. Cathode Biased - swap any octal tube without needing to rebias.
5. No Load Master Volume - when the master is 100% turned up, it disengages and turns it into a non-master volume amp.
6. High and Low Inputs - -6DB low input

It's a handwired boutique amp from Marshall, and those are some pretty damn cool features I must say, so I don't get all the criticism. Perhaps the tolex did it in, but if someone judges an amp by the tolex, then they probably don't know how to use an amp anyway. Either way it's pretty cool that Marshall offered their customers something at a time when boutique amps were soaring. It makes no sense to criticize them for that. It makes not sense to criticize the prices when this forum discusses more expensive amps all day long by builders who've only been around a fraction of the time Marshall has.

As far as holding value, have you seen the prices original Silver Jubilees, Slash JCM800s, and all kinds of vintage Marshalls go for? That 5w SL-5 Marshall used to make in China has been discontinued for years and sell for more now than it did when it was in production. People can shit on the price all day, but in a few years I'll be the Astorias will be missed and you won't be able to get them for less than $3k.

The difference here, is, the other Marshalls you mention were big sellers. They flew off the shelves because they were affordable at the time, and desirable. These were out of the norm, top dollar, aesthetically unappealing, and a flop, hence discontinued. I would guess 20 years down the road, interest in them will still be zero.

Great features? Yes. Sounds good? I'M SURE! But, they shot themselves in the foot with the design/look, and did a poor job marketing it. I don't think the designer even works for Marshall anymore. He, like Santiago, left.

If you want one, buy one. You don't have to explain yourself, or justify anything to anyone.

 

[MistaGuitah]

The Astoria was an answer to a question no one asked. "What brand new Marshall can I pay $3000 for?" Any of the tones from the Astoria line could be had from vintage amps for less. Why pay so much for a red Astoria when jcm800s are available for half?

This. Some great tones coming out of those amps but why would I pay $3k for a Marshall when there's a massive marketplace of great boutique marshall-voiced amps for less cash and will hold their value just as well (and sound just as good)?

Hold on, I don't agree with that logic. Why can't Marshall build a boutique and compete with the prices of the other boutiques? If anything, Marshall has earned the right more than anyone to command high prices and compete with anyone they want. Isn't Marshall the largest, longest running amp king in the history of amps next to Fender? The question is why should some piddledeedoo boutique builder come out of nowhere and be able to ask $3600 for a single channel amp and Marshall can't?

Besides, have you even really looked at the features of the Astoria Dual? Here, I'll list some of them:

1. Dual Channels - clean & overdriven
2. Power Reduction - from 30 to 5 watts
3. FX Loop - manual toggle and footswitchable. when disengaged, loop level acts as a 2nd master volume.
4. Cathode Biased - swap any octal tube without needing to rebias.
5. No Load Master Volume - when the master is 100% turned up, it disengages and turns it into a non-master volume amp.
6. High and Low Inputs - -6DB low input

It's a handwired boutique amp from Marshall, and those are some pretty damn cool features I must say, so I don't get all the criticism. Perhaps the tolex did it in, but if someone judges an amp by the tolex, then they probably don't know how to use an amp anyway. Either way it's pretty cool that Marshall offered their customers something at a time when boutique amps were soaring. It makes no sense to criticize them for that. It makes not sense to criticize the prices when this forum discusses more expensive amps all day long by builders who've only been around a fraction of the time Marshall has.

As far as holding value, have you seen the prices original Silver Jubilees, Slash JCM800s, and all kinds of vintage Marshalls go for? That 5w SL-5 Marshall used to make in China has been discontinued for years and sell for more now than it did when it was in production. People can shit on the price all day, but in a few years I'll be the Astorias will be missed and you won't be able to get them for less than $3k.

The difference here, is, the other Marshalls you mention were big sellers. They flew off the shelves because they were affordable at the time, and desirable. These were out of the norm, top dollar, aesthetically unappealing, and a flop, hence discontinued. I would guess 20 years down the road, interest in them will still be zero.

Great features, yes. Sounds good? I'M SURE! But, they shot themselves in the foot with the design/look, and did a poor job marketing it. I don't think the designer even works for Marshall anymore. He, like Santiago, both left.

OK thanks for your opinion.

 

[napalmdeath]

The Astoria was an answer to a question no one asked. "What brand new Marshall can I pay $3000 for?" Any of the tones from the Astoria line could be had from vintage amps for less. Why pay so much for a red Astoria when jcm800s are available for half?

This. Some great tones coming out of those amps but why would I pay $3k for a Marshall when there's a massive marketplace of great boutique marshall-voiced amps for less cash and will hold their value just as well (and sound just as good)?

Hold on, I don't agree with that logic. Why can't Marshall build a boutique and compete with the prices of the other boutiques? If anything, Marshall has earned the right more than anyone to command high prices and compete with anyone they want. Isn't Marshall the largest, longest running amp king in the history of amps next to Fender? The question is why should some piddledeedoo boutique builder come out of nowhere and be able to ask $3600 for a single channel amp and Marshall can't?

Besides, have you even really looked at the features of the Astoria Dual? Here, I'll list some of them:

1. Dual Channels - clean & overdriven
2. Power Reduction - from 30 to 5 watts
3. FX Loop - manual toggle and footswitchable. when disengaged, loop level acts as a 2nd master volume.
4. Cathode Biased - swap any octal tube without needing to rebias.
5. No Load Master Volume - when the master is 100% turned up, it disengages and turns it into a non-master volume amp.
6. High and Low Inputs - -6DB low input

It's a handwired boutique amp from Marshall, and those are some pretty damn cool features I must say, so I don't get all the criticism. Perhaps the tolex did it in, but if someone judges an amp by the tolex, then they probably don't know how to use an amp anyway. Either way it's pretty cool that Marshall offered their customers something at a time when boutique amps were soaring. It makes no sense to criticize them for that. It makes not sense to criticize the prices when this forum discusses more expensive amps all day long by builders who've only been around a fraction of the time Marshall has.

As far as holding value, have you seen the prices original Silver Jubilees, Slash JCM800s, and all kinds of vintage Marshalls go for? That 5w SL-5 Marshall used to make in China has been discontinued for years and sell for more now than it did when it was in production. People can shit on the price all day, but in a few years I'll be the Astorias will be missed and you won't be able to get them for less than $3k.

The difference here, is, the other Marshalls you mention were big sellers. They flew off the shelves because they were affordable at the time, and desirable. These were out of the norm, top dollar, aesthetically unappealing, and a flop, hence discontinued. I would guess 20 years down the road, interest in them will still be zero.

Great features, yes. Sounds good? I'M SURE! But, they shot themselves in the foot with the design/look, and did a poor job marketing it. I don't think the designer even works for Marshall anymore. He, like Santiago, both left.

OK thanks for your opinion.

Buy one. Who cares what others think?