Marshall Silver Jubilee or Soldano SLO

[smdb]

You said this earlier

so continue to buy and run a SLO for the $3,000k price tag. ill enjoy the same tone at a fraction of the price and still have road worthy reliability

and now you're saying this?.....

im not calling my 5150 roadworthy.

You're eating crow on that one junior.

I'm outa here


PS....

and a hall of fame trophie under their belt and having to flaunt it

I have it to flaunt!

Fucking right! Flaunt it brother, you deserve it!

 

[glpg80]

you tore everything out of my post that held any weight and put into a lie.

your sucess does not make my opinion any less valid because your requirements are higher than normal - that puts you in a league all your own and requirements that are all on your own.

get my drift?

im out of here myself. tone for tone i made my point clear.

 

[stratotone]

Few things about this 5150 gut shot (I think it's a 2

1) ribbon connectors.

2) board mounted Pots. I could change out a pot in an slo in less time than it takes for the soldering iron to heat up. You have to pull the board for this on the 5150 2.

3) ALL tube sockets mounted on PCBs, and thin ones at that. Including the power tubes. Ever feel how hot tubes get? Do ya really think the PCB getting that hot over and over is good for reliability?

4) PCB mounted jacks.

Peaveys in general and the 5150 series are built for a specific price point. They are built for ease of assembly first and reliability second. Nothing wrong with that, but to tout a Soldano as wasted money when it's built to a much higher standard, has a lifetime warranty, and holds it's value used is pretty silly, but that's just my opinion.

Pete

 

[glpg80]

i never said a waste of money, or mocked the lifetime warranty

im mocking the price point and the requirements of the person using the equipment and also saying that because its a higher price the tone is better.

the tone is not better for the price difference compared to a 5150 II model.

do any of you not understand how to read? look at this quote very carefully.

because people like carl roa, yourself, lynch, and others might need the road worthyness and that no chance guilt about construction. but no one else on this board is changing tubes every 3 weeks.

that is a fact. get my drift?

so for the normal people - get the 5150 II and invest in it a little bit. because you come close enough that it still rocks foundations and has plenty to offer compared to a SLO.

for the people who have hall of fame trophies and gig 200+ times a year you might want to consider otherwise.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

Few things about this 5150 gut shot (I think it's a 2

Pete

Better dump your 101B, it's just as bad based on that criteria.

 

[stratotone]

Few things about this 5150 gut shot (I think it's a 2

Pete

Better dump your 101B, it's just as bad based on that criteria.

Show me a gut shot, I tried to google one and couldn't find it - I'm curious. PCBs aren't entirely the devil, but I'm going to think the construction is a little different. My VHTs are PCBs and you could probably support the edges of the PCBs on it and fucking stand on them. Plus the VHTs have a weird hybrid way of connecting the power tubes to the PCB that looks to be sturdier than the Peavey. Not saying the Bogner is going to be like this, but I'd like to see a gut shot of a Bogner filled with ribbon cable, all jacks and pots and tubes mounted to thin PCBs and some sort of spray paint inside the chassis.

BTW, I thought we were comparing the SLO and 5150 amps.

Pete

 

[johnnyjellybean]

you tore everything out of my post that held any weight and put into a lie.

your sucess does not make my opinion any less valid because your requirements are higher than normal - that puts you in a league all your own and requirements that are all on your own.

get my drift?

im out of here myself. tone for tone i made my point clear.

LOL I didn't "tear everything out and put into a lie!"
I quoted your closing statement word for word. And my "requirements" are not higher than normal. They ARE normal. You're lack of experience with SLO's is evident. Now I am truly outa here!

 

[Shiny_Surface]

Few things about this 5150 gut shot (I think it's a 2

Pete

Better dump your 101B, it's just as bad based on that criteria.

Show me a gut shot, I tried to google one and couldn't find it - I'm curious. PCBs aren't entirely the devil, but I'm going to think the construction is a little different. My VHTs are PCBs and you could probably support the edges of the PCBs on it and fucking stand on them. Plus the VHTs have a weird hybrid way of connecting the power tubes to the PCB that looks to be sturdier than the Peavey. Not saying the Bogner is going to be like this, but I'd like to see a gut shot of a Bogner filled with ribbon cable, all jacks and pots and tubes mounted to thin PCBs and some sort of spray paint inside the chassis.

BTW, I thought we were comparing the SLO and 5150 amps.

Pete

Don't you still have yours? You never pulled the chassis wow.

I don't have mine anymore, all the tubes are pcb mounted and there are ribbon cables. Same with your Ultralead.

I would say about 50% of boutiques are knocked out of the race if chassis mounted preamp and powertamp tube sockets are the sole criteria.

You just knocked out Bogners, Fryettes and Diezels for starters or at least some of the models.

Yes I realize the topic has drifted off course, it's funny how some of the higher end brands aren't criticized for the same thing though.

 

[thiswaythatway]

 

[kannibul]

Few things about this 5150 gut shot (I think it's a 2

1) ribbon connectors.

2) board mounted Pots. I could change out a pot in an slo in less time than it takes for the soldering iron to heat up. You have to pull the board for this on the 5150 2.

3) ALL tube sockets mounted on PCBs, and thin ones at that. Including the power tubes. Ever feel how hot tubes get? Do ya really think the PCB getting that hot over and over is good for reliability?

4) PCB mounted jacks.

Peaveys in general and the 5150 series are built for a specific price point. They are built for ease of assembly first and reliability second. Nothing wrong with that, but to tout a Soldano as wasted money when it's built to a much higher standard, has a lifetime warranty, and holds it's value used is pretty silly, but that's just my opinion.

Pete

Not to bump heads with you too much on this Pete, but how often does one hear of a 5150 failing because the rising heat from the power tubes, caused the PCB to fail?

Same with the jacks, pots, etc.

Maybe I'm going at the wrong angle on this and you're proving another point...

The SLO is much better in terms of construction, however, it's also overkill.

Hence, Jet City Amplification...

 

[stratotone]

Few things about this 5150 gut shot (I think it's a 2

Pete

Better dump your 101B, it's just as bad based on that criteria.

Show me a gut shot, I tried to google one and couldn't find it - I'm curious. PCBs aren't entirely the devil, but I'm going to think the construction is a little different. My VHTs are PCBs and you could probably support the edges of the PCBs on it and fucking stand on them. Plus the VHTs have a weird hybrid way of connecting the power tubes to the PCB that looks to be sturdier than the Peavey. Not saying the Bogner is going to be like this, but I'd like to see a gut shot of a Bogner filled with ribbon cable, all jacks and pots and tubes mounted to thin PCBs and some sort of spray paint inside the chassis.

BTW, I thought we were comparing the SLO and 5150 amps.

Pete

Don't you still have yours? You never pulled the chassis wow.

I don't have mine anymore, all the tubes are pcb mounted and there are ribbon cables. Same with your Ultralead.

I would say about 50% of boutiques are knocked out of the race if chassis mounted preamp and powertamp tube sockets are the sole criteria.

You just knocked out Bogners, Fryettes and Diezels for starters or at least some of the models.

I dropped the chassis to bias the Bogner over a year ago, I have 20+ amps, I wasn't taking mental pictures during biasing in the hopes that it would help defend my comments about another amp in the future.

I never said chassis mounted preamp and poweramp sockets were the sole criteria, it's also HOW THICK the pcb is, and how they are mounted. I also mentioned the VHT, which I had open recently, was connected differently than the 5150.

I also don't recall ribbon connectors on the VHT or the Bogner... here's an ultralead pic. I'm not seeing any ribbon connectors.

https://media.photobucket.com/image/VHT% ... SC0791.jpg

Pete

 

[kannibul]

i never said a waste of money, or mocked the lifetime warranty

im mocking the price point and the requirements of the person using the equipment and also saying that because its a higher price the tone is better.

the tone is not better for the price difference compared to a 5150 II model.

do any of you not understand how to read? look at this quote very carefully.

because people like carl roa, yourself, lynch, and others might need the road worthyness and that no chance guilt about construction. but no one else on this board is changing tubes every 3 weeks.

that is a fact. get my drift?

so for the normal people - get the 5150 II and invest in it a little bit. because you come close enough that it still rocks foundations and has plenty to offer compared to a SLO.

for the people who have hall of fame trophies and gig 200+ times a year you might want to consider otherwise.

Honestly, after having gone through a couple 5150-II's and building an SLO Clone (weber, actually) - I'd say that the weber-SLO sounded quite a bit better than the 5150-II's I've had. I can only think that the actual SLO would be better...but also, that said...the weber has a couple tweaks done to it, and it has of course different trannies and different parts...very similar circuit though.

 

[kannibul]

Few things about this 5150 gut shot (I think it's a 2

Pete

Better dump your 101B, it's just as bad based on that criteria.

Show me a gut shot, I tried to google one and couldn't find it - I'm curious. PCBs aren't entirely the devil, but I'm going to think the construction is a little different. My VHTs are PCBs and you could probably support the edges of the PCBs on it and fucking stand on them. Plus the VHTs have a weird hybrid way of connecting the power tubes to the PCB that looks to be sturdier than the Peavey. Not saying the Bogner is going to be like this, but I'd like to see a gut shot of a Bogner filled with ribbon cable, all jacks and pots and tubes mounted to thin PCBs and some sort of spray paint inside the chassis.

BTW, I thought we were comparing the SLO and 5150 amps.

Pete

Don't you still have yours? You never pulled the chassis wow.

I don't have mine anymore, all the tubes are pcb mounted and there are ribbon cables. Same with your Ultralead.

I would say about 50% of boutiques are knocked out of the race if chassis mounted preamp and powertamp tube sockets are the sole criteria.

You just knocked out Bogners, Fryettes and Diezels for starters or at least some of the models.

I dropped the chassis to bias the Bogner over a year ago, I have 20+ amps, I wasn't taking mental pictures during biasing in the hopes that it would help defend my comments about another amp in the future.

I never said chassis mounted preamp and poweramp sockets were the sole criteria, it's also HOW THICK the pcb is, and how they are mounted. I also mentioned the VHT, which I had open recently, was connected differently than the 5150.

I also don't recall ribbon connectors on the VHT or the Bogner... here's an ultralead pic. I'm not seeing any ribbon connectors.

https://media.photobucket.com/image/VHT% ... SC0791.jpg

Pete

What's wrong with ribbon connectors? Do they explode or somehow suck tone?

 

[Shiny_Surface]

In some ways the Peavey's pcb's are more isolated than some higher end brands with tube mounted sockets.

With the Peavey the powertubes are isolated to a separate pcb sub-board, as are the preamp tubes. The main pcb with the components just has the pots soldered to it and ribbon cable connections.

Both the Bogner and UL for example have both power tube and preamp tube sockets both on one pcb sub section that also contains the main components soldered to it as well.

Some higher end amps have just one giant pcb board with all the tube sockets on it, no sub boards at all.

 

[Ventura]

Haven't even read all the posts, no need to...

SLO 100% of the way

V.

 

[kannibul]

My JVM has PCB mounted, unsupported-by-the-chassis pots...and it's not failed me yet.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

I dropped the chassis to bias the Bogner over a year ago, I have 20+ amps, I wasn't taking mental pictures during biasing in the hopes that it would help defend my comments about another amp in the future.

I never said chassis mounted preamp and poweramp sockets were the sole criteria, it's also HOW THICK the pcb is, and how they are mounted. I also mentioned the VHT, which I had open recently, was connected differently than the 5150.

I also don't recall ribbon connectors on the VHT or the Bogner... here's an ultralead pic. I'm not seeing any ribbon connectors.

https://media.photobucket.com/image/VHT% ... SC0791.jpg

Pete

The 101B has at least one ribbon, the UL just has pcb mounted sockets. One of the sub boards on my old UL had all 4 power tube sockets and 2 preamp tube sockets on one board if I recall correctly.

 

[kannibul]

In some ways the Peavey's pcb's are more isolated than some higher end brands with tube mounted sockets.

With the Peavey the powertubes are isolated to a separate pcb sub-board, as are the preamp tubes. The main pcb with the components just has the pots soldered to it and ribbon cable connections.

Both the Bogner and UL for example have both power tube and preamp tube sockets both on one pcb sub section that also contains the main components soldered to it as well.

Some higher end amps have just one giant pcb board with all the tube sockets on it, no sub boards at all.

In terms of maintenance, more PCB's would be better / cheaper to replace / more manageable.

I'd hate to try and troubleshoot that VHT board, if I didn't have a layout to work with.

 

[glpg80]

i never said a waste of money, or mocked the lifetime warranty

im mocking the price point and the requirements of the person using the equipment and also saying that because its a higher price the tone is better.

the tone is not better for the price difference compared to a 5150 II model.

do any of you not understand how to read? look at this quote very carefully.

because people like carl roa, yourself, lynch, and others might need the road worthyness and that no chance guilt about construction. but no one else on this board is changing tubes every 3 weeks.

that is a fact. get my drift?

so for the normal people - get the 5150 II and invest in it a little bit. because you come close enough that it still rocks foundations and has plenty to offer compared to a SLO.

for the people who have hall of fame trophies and gig 200+ times a year you might want to consider otherwise.

Honestly, after having gone through a couple 5150-II's and building an SLO Clone (weber, actually) - I'd say that the weber-SLO sounded quite a bit better than the 5150-II's I've had. I can only think that the actual SLO would be better...but also, that said...the weber has a couple tweaks done to it, and it has of course different trannies and different parts...very similar circuit though.

i agree a stock 5150 does not hold a candle to a SLO. put money into it and you've got something at a fraction of the price of a SLO and without its price tag and overkill build.

all im saying in a single sentence - didnt know people would get all butthurt over the SLO by me mentioning this

 

[stratotone]

Not to bump heads with you too much on this Pete, but how often does one hear of a 5150 failing because the rising heat from the power tubes, caused the PCB to fail?

Same with the jacks, pots, etc.

Maybe I'm going at the wrong angle on this and you're proving another point...

The SLO is much better in terms of construction, however, it's also overkill.

Hence, Jet City Amplification...

Bump heads all you want Jeff. Just think about this for a moment:

You have a pot go out on your amp. You have to replace it. Would you rather:

Open up your SLO, unsolder 3 connections and take one knob and one bolt loose, then solder in the new part and replace the bolt and knob? Or...

Open up your 5150, take all the ribbon and other connectors off the board (and hope that they are keyed) , unscrew the PCB from the chassis, take every knob off the front, take every bolt loose from the pots, lift the PCB out, unsolder the pot and hope you don't smoke the thin PCB with thin traces, replace the pot, then reverse the steps?

Again, I'm comparing the 5150 to the soldano. And yeah, there are boutiques that have PCB mounted parts.

And Jeff, do you think that constantly heating and cooling a thin PCB with thin traces is good for reliability or bad for it? Do you think there are going to be a bunch of 5150s working great in say 40 years? I don't know about that, but I do know the SLOs will be.

Pete