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Talk to me about the tone / amp(s) on that record.
 
I think by the time RIP came around Mustaine was using all kinds of things in the studio. Marshall stuff in there for sure, but I think I remember reading that there was some Bogner stuff in there too somewhere.
 
Ah yes! LOVE LOVE LOVE this album.

Guitars: I think are Jackson's with JB's in the bridge. Dave seemed pretty hard core about Marty switching to Jackson's when he joined the band.

Amps: RHYTHMS: The rumors are the they used Bogner preamps for this album. I don't think it was the Bogner Fish. I'm rented an original Bogner "Giant" preamp (hardwired, pre-Hafler Giant), it TOTALLY had that "Rust In Piece" tone. Totally. The preamp was a pain to dial in, and was wonkey in construction, but the tone was there.

LEADS: The leads I believe (at least Marty's) were done with TubeWorks RT-922 preamps. Super under-rated preamp, also super strange controls. They're REALLY cheap these days.

VHT power amps.
 
This record is strange to me. Love the songs, arrangements but think it's actually not a great sounding album. Guitars are a little thin and buzzy, the drums can be a little dry and boxy. It doesn't have a lot of meat to it. But it's still probably my favorite of theirs. The material is so good, Menza's drumming really grooves and Marty's lead work is off the charts. it's definitely not a tone I would chase unless I was set on doing a tribute. Feel the same way about Appetite for Destruction. Amazing material with a pretty shitty guitar sound. But it matches the material really well. Love that album too.

Funny about RIP though is I hate the remixes Dave did. Technically it sounds bigger with more polish to the drums but the original sound is so ingrained in me it doesn't feel right. Like the remixes on the early ZZ Top with the big drums. Just not right. People need to stop doing a Lucas on shit and let it stand as it was. Or at least make sure the original version is always available if you want it.

The only time I dug a remix was the Roger Glover remixes of Machinehead. Especially the remix of Black Night.
 
skoora":1sa2mc0p said:
This record is strange to me. Love the songs, arrangements but think it's actually not a great sounding album. Guitars are a little thin and buzzy, the drums can be a little dry and boxy. It doesn't have a lot of meat to it. But it's still probably my favorite of theirs. The material is so good, Menza's drumming really grooves and Marty's lead work is off the charts. it's definitely not a tone I would chase unless I was set on doing a tribute. Feel the same way about Appetite for Destruction. Amazing material with a pretty shitty guitar sound. But it matches the material really well. Love that album too.

Funny about RIP though is I hate the remixes Dave did. Technically it sounds bigger with more polish to the drums but the original sound is so ingrained in me it doesn't feel right. Like the remixes on the early ZZ Top with the big drums. Just not right. People need to stop doing a Lucas on shit and let it stand as it was. Or at least make sure the original version is always available if you want it.

The only time I dug a remix was the Roger Glover remixes of Machinehead. Especially the remix of Black Night.
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I also hate the remix of RIP. Couldn't get rid of it fast enough and had to find an original copy.
 
I agree with you on all points! :rock: Both are strange sounding records by todays standards, BUT, it works SO well for the music, I can't really separate the music from the production. They were both produced and mixed by Mike Clink. He leaned heavily on a Roland SRV-2000 for GNR. I'd guess that he used that for the Megadeth album too.


skoora":1qmdm5hk said:
This record is strange to me. Love the songs, arrangements but think it's actually not a great sounding album. Guitars are a little thin and buzzy, the drums can be a little dry and boxy. It doesn't have a lot of meat to it. But it's still probably my favorite of theirs. The material is so good, Menza's drumming really grooves and Marty's lead work is off the charts. it's definitely not a tone I would chase unless I was set on doing a tribute. Feel the same way about Appetite for Destruction. Amazing material with a pretty shitty guitar sound. But it matches the material really well. Love that album too.

Funny about RIP though is I hate the remixes Dave did. Technically it sounds bigger with more polish to the drums but the original sound is so ingrained in me it doesn't feel right. Like the remixes on the early ZZ Top with the big drums. Just not right. People need to stop doing a Lucas on shit and let it stand as it was. Or at least make sure the original version is always available if you want it.

The only time I dug a remix was the Roger Glover remixes of Machinehead. Especially the remix of Black Night.
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I read an article recently where Dave was asked what amps he used one RIP. He said it was a JCM800 on 10. Too lazy to dig it out, tho.
 
Back in the day, I thought I read CAE preamps into?, I have the magazine in storage somewhere :)
 
I had some windshield time today...usually my Sirius/XM is white noise for phone calls and whatnot. But today that song came on Ozzys Boneyard and just hit me like music sometimes will do. I listened to it a couple of times...thanks to the magic of replay :)

What hit me and stuck was ~~4-5 mins of guitars battling it out. I found the back and forth soloing to be melodic to a point...not necessarily a tone I'd chase but, today it just stuck to my ribs. It happens. :rock:
 
Drkorey":2wofay03 said:
Back in the day, I thought I read CAE preamps into?, I have the magazine in storage somewhere :)
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They toured with Bogner Fish preamps and VHT power amps. All of that stuff got sold off a few years back.
 
I read an interview about Marty's audition and Mustaine said Marty plugged into a duplicate of his rig, and as I recall he said it was a bogner fish and then Marshalls for power..
 
I've looked into this before and there was all kinds of stuff said, particularly about the rythym sound. One of the more consistently purported gear for Marty was using the Bogner wired Triple Giant or cranked plexi for leads. Honestly it's one of my favorite lead tones of all time. It's so smooth, thick and organic. At times it's like he switched to a neck pickup but he doesn't. It certainly doesn't hurt that the solos are legendary as well. I would go so far as to say there are few albums that have overall lead performance/tone that match Marty on Rust in Piece.

The rythym tone, as mentioned above, is a bit thin and "off". Countdown had a much better rhythm sound (and overall production was better). The lead sound on that record is the one thing I wished was better.

I would compare RIP and Countdown to Queensryche and their two albums Operation Mindcrime and Empire. I've always preferred the tone and sonic production of Empire over OMC though one could argue better songs are on OMC. They are both great though just like the two Megadeth albums.

Also, I agree... Han shoots first! Remastering, particularly dynamic compressing things to clip city is bad enough, let's not remix it and overdub stuff that wasn't there. Original version is the best for RIP. I can't even listen to the "remastered" version.
 
Marshall JMP-1 into a Marshall 100/100. Dave made Marty buy an identical rig. I remember reading an article in Guitar World when this album first came out. He switched to the Rocktron prophecy on Youthenasia I believe... Or maybe it was Cryptic Writings for the Rocktron. Can't remember. I just know that Dave fueled my JMP-1 gas. Lol.
 
The JMP1 came out in 1992, so comfortably after Rust in Peace and possibly even too late to make it on to the sessions for Extinction. The CAE preamp is from 1991, the Fish from 1990.
 
For Rust in peace I suppose some prototype of the 3+ could have come in at the very end of recording, but it feels early. All the first guys to switch to the CAE were still using the Soldano X88R in 1990.
 
Didn't Marty play the Crate Blue VooDoo for a while too? I saw them on this tour and it seems like around the same time I remember seeing him in some Crate ads.
 
I remember the ads for the Crate with Marty.
Albums sounded great. Never played one. But everyone I talked to that owned one hated it? :confused:
 
I had a Blue Voodoo very early on in my guitar playing days, avoid it like the plague unless you're just using it as a power amp or clean channel.
 
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