symbolic253
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tony iommi and chuck schuldiner own the metal world
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metalone
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I'm 49,my 17 year old son plays drums in a band with me and our style is metal, with growl\clean vocals
I like a lot of the newer stuff that is out, the older I get the more I like really heavy stuff idk lol!
I like a lot of the newer stuff that is out, the older I get the more I like really heavy stuff idk lol!
Vrad
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I've found some good metal to listen to. You have to be open-minded to the Cookie Monster stuff though. I was put off at first, but the music makes up for it. Nowadays, I like a combination of Cookie Monster and regular vocals (like Scar Symmetry). The cookie monster vocals provide a certain tension that I dig.
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metalone
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^ThisVrad":l5hmyji2 said:
When I first started listening to them I was like
but they have grown on me, some of them I still don't care for but most of it 
Vrad
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metalone":252uh1kt said:^ThisVrad":252uh1kt said:
When I first started listening to them I was like
Yep... Now when I go back to listen to most 80s stuff, it sounds kinda lame...
I can't listen to all-super-aggresive-all-the-time bands. They need to have some kind of hook and be melodic.
BSRIAudio
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This is such an oft-repeated discussion. Im sure when you old dudes were flipping out over the various heroin addict metal legends of the 70s and 80s, the previous generation were complaing that no one was writing "good" or "real" music any more. You know, like the Beatles or CSNY. You rolled your eyes, or if you really were metal you probably told them to fuck themselves. You thought that acid was jean jacket was pretty badass too. I know your type.
So that was great and all. Only now its 30 years later, you're old, and there are new young people. The tables have turned. Rather than being angry that no one makes metal that you percieve as "good," you should be seriously concerned that you are now the same old fogey that pissed you off when you were a kid.
In regards to the notion that players are playing the same stuff over and over, just go back through that record archive from 1980-1990. I bet you'll hear a lot of clean arpeggios drenched in chorus and reverb in ballads. Tired. Probably a lot of thirds harmonies too. Tired. How about straightforward downstroke power chords in 4/4. Tired. So what you're really saying is that you want people to regress 25 years and just play what you liked when you were 17 and angry about curfew. Well maybe not when it just gets said like that. But you see the point. People are innovating in practice spaces all around you. You just aren't used to the way they play or you aren't in love with the style. Its OK. Slayer still tours. Im sure you can go see Poison some time in the next year. Where is your acid wash jean jacket with "Every Rose Has Its Thorn" bejeweled in the back? Totally drag that out for the show.
Back to the "good" music issue. I really hear a lot of people complain about things like melody and songwriting in modern music. Maybe the people making that music are just tired of writing stuff thats meant to sound acceptable. Stuff thats supposed to pander to safe and polite preferences. Some of my favorite bands would probably say "fuck melody" because its such an expected factor in a song. I would rather hear a really violent riff that inspires emotion that matches the music. "We're not gonna take it" is a sick song but if you just listen to the music, there is nothing that says they wouldn't just take it and give up. Plenty of modern bands could convey that feeling in a few angry atonal notes. Its just a different outlook on a genre that evolves as time goes on.
Maybe the biggest problem with modern metal is that innovation is rarely rewarded. Really awesome and innovative bands will never see success because the producers and record execs are the same people lamenting the loss of the shit from the 80s. You have to pander to the antiquated styles somewhat to get their attention and get on the radio. Thats why a band like Trivium is so successful and a band like Converge is still waiting in the wings to some extent. The guys in Trivium are mostly playing in the same style of and are directly influenced by bands that were touring when Trivium were 5 years old. Meanwhile, bands that are introducing new styles and ideas get shoved to the wayside because their music isn't as easily digestable.
Here are just a few bands that I really enjoy and that create music that is awesome to me. Their music conveys great emotion. Its just not what most people are used to.
And just for fun, a band I play in that you will hate and call senseless noise LOL
So that was great and all. Only now its 30 years later, you're old, and there are new young people. The tables have turned. Rather than being angry that no one makes metal that you percieve as "good," you should be seriously concerned that you are now the same old fogey that pissed you off when you were a kid.
In regards to the notion that players are playing the same stuff over and over, just go back through that record archive from 1980-1990. I bet you'll hear a lot of clean arpeggios drenched in chorus and reverb in ballads. Tired. Probably a lot of thirds harmonies too. Tired. How about straightforward downstroke power chords in 4/4. Tired. So what you're really saying is that you want people to regress 25 years and just play what you liked when you were 17 and angry about curfew. Well maybe not when it just gets said like that. But you see the point. People are innovating in practice spaces all around you. You just aren't used to the way they play or you aren't in love with the style. Its OK. Slayer still tours. Im sure you can go see Poison some time in the next year. Where is your acid wash jean jacket with "Every Rose Has Its Thorn" bejeweled in the back? Totally drag that out for the show.
Back to the "good" music issue. I really hear a lot of people complain about things like melody and songwriting in modern music. Maybe the people making that music are just tired of writing stuff thats meant to sound acceptable. Stuff thats supposed to pander to safe and polite preferences. Some of my favorite bands would probably say "fuck melody" because its such an expected factor in a song. I would rather hear a really violent riff that inspires emotion that matches the music. "We're not gonna take it" is a sick song but if you just listen to the music, there is nothing that says they wouldn't just take it and give up. Plenty of modern bands could convey that feeling in a few angry atonal notes. Its just a different outlook on a genre that evolves as time goes on.
Maybe the biggest problem with modern metal is that innovation is rarely rewarded. Really awesome and innovative bands will never see success because the producers and record execs are the same people lamenting the loss of the shit from the 80s. You have to pander to the antiquated styles somewhat to get their attention and get on the radio. Thats why a band like Trivium is so successful and a band like Converge is still waiting in the wings to some extent. The guys in Trivium are mostly playing in the same style of and are directly influenced by bands that were touring when Trivium were 5 years old. Meanwhile, bands that are introducing new styles and ideas get shoved to the wayside because their music isn't as easily digestable.
Here are just a few bands that I really enjoy and that create music that is awesome to me. Their music conveys great emotion. Its just not what most people are used to.
And just for fun, a band I play in that you will hate and call senseless noise LOL
EXPcustom
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I am becoming older and less relevant. This is hard to accept. 
spawnofthesith
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I have to 
at the comments about ridiculous image in today's metal... its no more dorky than the "metal image" in the 80's, just different. I think metal musicians are just doomed to dress in a silly manner, regardless of the decade.
at the comments about ridiculous image in today's metal... its no more dorky than the "metal image" in the 80's, just different. I think metal musicians are just doomed to dress in a silly manner, regardless of the decade.
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i am also chuckling at the statements that metal from decades ago had less of an image. I lived through the 80's and that had to be the most image driven time in modern rock. And the videos probably became more important than the music..
With all the cool indy and underground metal and prog labels out there..I listen to a ton of new bands on the merits of there material..without mtv support and videos i have no idea what half of them look like , nor do I care...
if you look around a little bit there's something for everyone being created currently ... from melodic dinosaur rock, glam metal, to the most extreme!
The main difference in talent is probably a lot of today's band members sound better by being manipulated with technology..where as back in the day the producer brought in an outside session player to get it right!
With all the cool indy and underground metal and prog labels out there..I listen to a ton of new bands on the merits of there material..without mtv support and videos i have no idea what half of them look like , nor do I care...
if you look around a little bit there's something for everyone being created currently ... from melodic dinosaur rock, glam metal, to the most extreme!
The main difference in talent is probably a lot of today's band members sound better by being manipulated with technology..where as back in the day the producer brought in an outside session player to get it right!
Spaceboy
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I really don't think most popular metal bands are that concerned about image. It's most just dudes wearing t-shirts/jeans, sometimes hair and beards, but sometimes not. Look at Mastodon, Trivium, Killswitch Engage... all three huge bands that have different looks or whatever, but it's not outlandish like many 70s/80s bands were. But, I'm sure somebody is going to argue with me and post pictures of Dimmu Borgir, The Devil Wears Prada, or some other dumb scenester band like that.
spawnofthesith
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Dehumanize":1tq8tl0y said:
No, you're wrong. All modern metal bands dress like this:
Greazygeo
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Mostly for me its not interesting. Sure its fast so some of it would be difficult to play, but most of it seems very derivative and predictable. Tune way down and use lots of half step progressions, throw in a few odd time signatures and scream / vomit about how great Satan is.
madrigal77
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They all make themselves look bad. They don't just need one band for thatThe Hoff":1p1kdyei said:
EXPcustom
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God that last dillinger escape plan video was horrible, are you kids serious? I mean you think that's good music? 
spawnofthesith
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My favorite "modern metal" band is Insomnium
But to be honest, I really have to scratch my head about a lot of the general statements being made about modern metal in this thread. I am thinking everyone else must be listening to a FAR different array of bands than what I most associate with modern metal. Of course there are tons and tons of sub-genres still putting music out there, metalcore is by for the most popular and common form of modern metal. And AFAIK, there isn't much mindless shredding, silly image (well some of the more scene-y bands have that), lacking in melody, or "I worship satan's semen" type lyrics. In general, it is usually fairly simple and melodic guitar riffs (although I would say it can be pretty repetitive, as similar melodies are often rehashed in the style). Most guys don't have that far out of a clothing style, and the lyrics are usually about personal issues. And sure, there's cookie monster vocals, but there is plenty of singing interspersed in there.
I am curious as to what you guys are all thinking of when you say modern metal
But to be honest, I really have to scratch my head about a lot of the general statements being made about modern metal in this thread. I am thinking everyone else must be listening to a FAR different array of bands than what I most associate with modern metal. Of course there are tons and tons of sub-genres still putting music out there, metalcore is by for the most popular and common form of modern metal. And AFAIK, there isn't much mindless shredding, silly image (well some of the more scene-y bands have that), lacking in melody, or "I worship satan's semen" type lyrics. In general, it is usually fairly simple and melodic guitar riffs (although I would say it can be pretty repetitive, as similar melodies are often rehashed in the style). Most guys don't have that far out of a clothing style, and the lyrics are usually about personal issues. And sure, there's cookie monster vocals, but there is plenty of singing interspersed in there.
I am curious as to what you guys are all thinking of when you say modern metal
symbolic253
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Dehumanize":1pn0ez0i said:
you cant put mastodon in the same sentence with those fags
Motorpud
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Marykelly":3suhskje said:
Yeah that's more or less the problem with the music, then young guys buy into like it's cool. "Hey I know everyone expects a song to have melody, well we're going to make songs with no melody"
That doesn't even make any sense. Marykelly":3suhskje said:
You shouldn't have to try to "digest" music. You also shouldn't need a 14 year old kid in skinny jeans with his hair combed over his face to interpret the lyrics for you either.
guitarslinger
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my random thoughts:
Boris is awesome, but I don't consider it "metal". It's more like "sludgey post-rock with vocals."
After some thought, I do love Amon Amarth and The Absence, but that's about it for bands that still tear it up on the metal scene.
I listened to some Pantera a few weeks ago. Dime's guitar-stuff HAS aged well, Phil's lyrics and delivery have not, IMO. It sounds like something a 14 year old would think is cool. (and I did, for sure)
Boris is awesome, but I don't consider it "metal". It's more like "sludgey post-rock with vocals."
After some thought, I do love Amon Amarth and The Absence, but that's about it for bands that still tear it up on the metal scene.
I listened to some Pantera a few weeks ago. Dime's guitar-stuff HAS aged well, Phil's lyrics and delivery have not, IMO. It sounds like something a 14 year old would think is cool. (and I did, for sure)
ashesofphoenix
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glpg80":2ud0a2p4 said:i love the clickity clank drummers, the lowest tuned notes on a guitar, the fast rhythm paces, the odd timing signatures, and most of all the cookie monster vocals.
any band that has talent can bring the head banging.
listen to what you enjoy. thats all that really matters.
just because you dislike it does not mean everyone else does.
to each their own
+1 brother - I love the old stuff just as much as anyone else, but It is def not "Metal." Also someone mentioned the radio... the radio might as well not exist I haven't listened to it in almost 3 years. I love that real musicians are begining to shine in metal today. Guys that know time signatures, theory, etc. Also as far as vocals go, Screaming is an artform in itself and if you can couple it with singing I find it to be amazing, IMO. I love that metal today forces you to be a better player. Drummers have to be faster, able to count past 4, and much more tasteful in their fills and expressions. Guitarist have to know more than powerchords and pentatonics. Bassist need to play more than root notes. I dunno I'm a metal head... going to see Dimmu Borgir on friday lol
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This thread reflects exactly what I dislike about genres.
Sure, you can classify music and style all you want, but good music goes beyond a genre, decade or a movement that other bands were/are inevitably stuck with.
What do all of these timeless bands have in common? Shit loads of good songs, awesome albums, all of them explored music in different ways (innovators), created a very influential style and most of their work isn't stuck in a certain genre or time period (isn't dated).
Then you have awesome underground or "cult" bands that didn't want to make it big (that are hard to come by). Most of them WILL be found in metal, jazz or some bizarre genre. Bands with a very distinct style, commitment and artistic philosophy that mainstream bands only wish they had.
It's like in movies. You have the popular ones that are timeless classics, the cult movies, underground independent scene and international movies that are highly acclaimed in other countries. On the other side you have tons of mediocre hollywood movies and crappy independent films shot by amateurs.
This is why it is far more important to find bands that care about music and art. A band that cares about delivering a message with passion and substance regardless of their musical genre.
Sure, you can classify music and style all you want, but good music goes beyond a genre, decade or a movement that other bands were/are inevitably stuck with.
What do all of these timeless bands have in common? Shit loads of good songs, awesome albums, all of them explored music in different ways (innovators), created a very influential style and most of their work isn't stuck in a certain genre or time period (isn't dated).
Then you have awesome underground or "cult" bands that didn't want to make it big (that are hard to come by). Most of them WILL be found in metal, jazz or some bizarre genre. Bands with a very distinct style, commitment and artistic philosophy that mainstream bands only wish they had.
It's like in movies. You have the popular ones that are timeless classics, the cult movies, underground independent scene and international movies that are highly acclaimed in other countries. On the other side you have tons of mediocre hollywood movies and crappy independent films shot by amateurs.
This is why it is far more important to find bands that care about music and art. A band that cares about delivering a message with passion and substance regardless of their musical genre.
