Metalcore... ughh.

[spawnofthesith]

My drummer loves attack attack

 

[Bob Savage]

Anything with the word "metal" or "core" has to be good. Please stop the hate.

 

[Atropos_Project]

What exactly is metalcore?

It's the stuff that well....

Yeah, I dunno either.

Metal has 3 categories to me, frankly. Awful, average, and excellent. It makes life a lot easier.

Sub-genre debating that goes on in metal forums is some of the goofiest shit I've ever read.

 

[Atropos_Project]

i hate playing in drop D. it's a mortal sin in my opinion

Ty Tabor disagrees

Frankly, alternate tuning is excellent, the problem is when you start hinging your playing ON it.... and I'll admit, lots of bands use drop d just so they can use that open string as an anchor.

One of the songs I'm just finishing up uses c - g- d- g- b- e tuning. It made for some rather interesting sounding chords, I'll say that

 

[Tawlks]

Yeah, I dig plenty of metalcore bands, but there are plenty of annoying and repetative bands in the genre. Happens in any genre that gets popular. And yeah the fashion is retarded, but it is just as retarded to not listen to a band merely based on how they dress. Hell, if that were the case I couldn't listen to black metal either

I think a big benefit of metalcore is that it is the buffer for a lot of people to get into "real metal" or whatever gay-ass genre someone wants to call it. My progression into getting into more traditional metal pretty much followed in the form Linkin Park -> As I Lay Dying -> then everything else. And I know similar progressions happen with a lot of people so it has its uses there.


Anyway, bottom line, fuck genres, listen to the music you like and don't worry about how simple it is or what other people think. Rock on

There's alot of truth in this post.

There are good metalcore bands.. but from what I've heard, the ratio is extremely poor. My area is full of metalcore bands and metalcore fans and I'm surrounded by it constantly, and I only lile a few metalcore bands. It's true that it leads people on to 'real' metal bands, but that would be the same if another style of metal was really popular, just because it's accessable, I mean based on just how heavy metalcore is compared to some forms of metal it's a big leap from pop/indie/rock/anything played on the radio. Nu metal, which is before my time I believe had the same thing as a link, I digged Linkin Park when I was 9 ish then Metallica, Megadeth, then went on from there.

Fasion wise.. yeah I think it's lame and stupid and ughh.. but it's only when people try and push it onto other people and myself that it annoys me.. which they do, people think that because I listen to metal I should wear KsE shirts and skinny jeans.

 

[ttosh]

i hate playing in drop D. it's a mortal sin in my opinion

Ty Tabor disagrees

Frankly, alternate tuning is excellent, the problem is when you start hinging your playing ON it.... and I'll admit, lots of bands use drop d just so they can use that open string as an anchor.

One of the songs I'm just finishing up uses c - g- d- g- b- e tuning. It made for some rather interesting sounding chords, I'll say that

Even Eddie Van Halen would say drop D is okay, when used well.

I agree with Bob Savage, if it has "metal" or "core" in it what is the issue? Stop the Hate!!!

 

[Tawlks]

This is what i have to say about metalcore, hardcore, any core really. Growing up in orange county during the time all this really started coming to life, i noticed the complete drop of real good meat and potatoes metal. I Hate the genre especially because when i was age 14 to 20 I wanted to be in a good tight legit metal band. Whenever I would meet anyone who wanted to supposedly start a "metal band" what they really meant was either hardcore or metalcore. This happened every time I started to form a band without fail, and I have made ( and needless to say left) many bands.


every time they would play something along these lines

E-
B-
G-
D-----------------------------------------------------------7 7
A-------5-------5--------7-----7-------8--------7 8 5---------- 8
D-0-0-0---0-0-0---0-0-0---000---0-0-0----7 7 7------7 7 7

or whatever, i hate playing in drop D. it's a mortal sin in my opinion (unless it's for playing 10 years gone )


anyways that's my frustration with growing up in Orange county and having long natural unkempt hair instead of died black pussy ass hair.

FUCKING THIS.

I left my last band.. who were all good friends of mine partly because of the other guitarrist insisting on playing metalcore and the singer wanting to do hardcore and partly because the scene and attitude of metalcore pretty much turned the other guitarrist and close friend into a prick. and he's still being a prick, this does sound stupid, would take me a while to explain what I mean.

Also.. when people say they're in a core band, why don't they say when asked their genre "I play in a metalcore band" they said "I'm in a metal band" - "What genre?" - "er.. uhuh.. metal".."What metal?" - "core.*smug face*"

I like the riff tab.. So true.

Oh man, i forgot about the whole genre thing. people do that to me all the time. It's always " Ughh ... well... just metal" when it's not metal in any way shape or form.

im done being angsty now

you hit the nail right on the head

Yeah man, I think all my current metalcore angst is gone now actually.. I mean, I still dislike it but I'm not angry at the moment. I'll leave the 'anger' to the metalcore peeps.

 

[glpg80]

whoever mentioned the anger part of it is correct - its a type of music you play that you enjoy at a deeper feeling - its not the same thing as listening to boston, journey, def leppard, pantera, etc.

i get moments where i enjoy the style big time.

i used to also hate it like a passion, but when you've been through some serious shit, pissed off, or just want something thats heavy as hell to listen to its a style to turn to and enjoy. the music allows for a deeper enjoyment.

my first experience with it was divine heresy - i kept getting heavier from there

now dont get me wrong here - skynyrd is awsome, but i also like all of the metalcore/deathcore/mathcore/etc styles, as long as the talent is there. there will always be posers, no talent acts who dont deserve to make a CD. but you get that with any genre. music is music.

this crabcore shit that everyone on this forum is mentioning is a fucking joke, there are much better bands out there than that.

i respect the guys that can play the styles though - drummers, guitarists, vocalists, and all. its not a type of genre that can easily be covered. i have learned from bands like all shall perish, rose funeral, from graves of valor, born of osiris, parkway drive, caliban, august burns red, etc that their rhythm signature capabilities are fucking insane. some of the heavier bands like emmure, suicide silence, and whitechapel i have to be in the mood for in itself. but regardless the bands, they can go in and out of time signatures and still remember where they are in a song and never miss a beat.

not to mention some of the bands solo-sections are overlooked big time. some serious talent.

just one of those things where classic rock, hair metal, rap/R&B, and anything else wont suffice when i want to listen to it. hard to explain to the guys that hate it with a passion, when music really is a passion in itself.

 

[D-Rock]

Let's not start debating the use of drop D. That's just ridiculous.

 

[again with this]

What exactly is metalcore?

Metal mixed with hard-core.

I like metal and I like hardcore. Mixing them seems like something I would like. There has to be more to the stigma. When I think mtal and hardcore mixed, I think of bands like Sick of it All, Biohazard, Hatebreed, Machine Head, Nothingface. All bands I like. I see references to KSE. I hardly think they are the same thing. I would call KSE "mallcore" or Nu-metal. Am I missing soemthing?

 

[Tawlks]

whoever mentioned the anger part of it is correct - its a type of music you play that you enjoy at a deeper feeling - its not the same thing as listening to boston, journey, def leppard, pantera, etc.

i get moments where i enjoy the style big time.

i used to also hate it like a passion, but when you've been through some serious shit, pissed off, or just want something thats heavy as hell to listen to its a style to turn to and enjoy. the music allows for a deeper enjoyment.

my first experience with it was divine heresy - i kept getting heavier from there

now dont get me wrong here - skynyrd is awsome, but i also like all of the metalcore/deathcore/mathcore/etc styles, as long as the talent is there. there will always be posers, no talent acts who dont deserve to make a CD. but you get that with any genre. music is music.

this crabcore shit that everyone on this forum is mentioning is a fucking joke, there are much better bands out there than that.

i respect the guys that can play the styles though - drummers, guitarists, vocalists, and all. its not a type of genre that can easily be covered. i have learned from bands like all shall perish, rose funeral, from graves of valor, born of osiris, parkway drive, caliban, august burns red, etc that their rhythm signature capabilities are fucking insane. some of the heavier bands like emmure, suicide silence, and whitechapel i have to be in the mood for in itself. but regardless the bands, they can go in and out of time signatures and still remember where they are in a song and never miss a beat.

not to mention some of the bands solo-sections are overlooked big time. some serious talent.

just one of those things where classic rock, hair metal, rap/R&B, and anything else wont suffice when i want to listen to it. hard to explain to the guys that hate it with a passion, when music really is a passion in itself.

That's a good point about being in the mood, I've been in the mood for it, I was listening to Divine Hersey today, DH, Fear Factory, Architects are a few of my 'go to' bands when I'm seriously angry.

But.. really you can't produce anger just like that, if you're angry and upset and wanna put it into music and it's angry then that's one thing but you can't put any emotion into angry music the way alot of modern bands try to, the result, usually is bad music.

I wouldn't say that much about their talent, I've covered a Parkway Drive song aswell as a LOG one with my old band and my drummer never complained, I asked him about time signatures in Boneyards by PD and he said not to bother with them and just follow the grove.. which is something I admire, actually. We did fuck up the timing live once, but I would say the general level of musicianship isn't that impressive, not to me anyway, and the solos, even in Parkway Drive and Architects are very samey.

 

[herbertmark5]

why would anyone want to look and sound like a certain group of peoplle. fake

 

[Tawlks]

What exactly is metalcore?

Metal mixed with hard-core.

I like metal and I like hardcore. Mixing them seems like something I would like. There has to be more to the stigma. When I think mtal and hardcore mixed, I think of bands like Sick of it All, Biohazard, Hatebreed, Machine Head, Nothingface. All bands I like. I see references to KSE. I hardly think they are the same thing. I would call KSE "mallcore" or Nu-metal. Am I missing soemthing?

Are you missing something?... not really. KsE are the general staple of what people call metalcore. MH I'd call grove metal, but that's just me. Hatebreed are core.

 

[glassjaw7]

This entire thread makes me nervous and sweaty and kind of embarrassed for myself and others who have posted here. I feel sort of dirty like I did something wrong...kind of like when I got caught doing my girlfriend in my bedroom when I was 14, only this isn't nearly as cool or as fun as that was. We should just let this one die as nothing productive is coming out of here.

Oh, and fuck Crabcore.

 

[ttosh]

This entire thread makes me nervous and sweaty and kind of embarrassed for myself and others who have posted here. I feel sort of dirty like I did something wrong...kind of like when I got caught doing my girlfriend in my bedroom when I was 14, only this isn't nearly as cool or as fun as that was. We should just let this one die as nothing productive is coming out of here.

Oh, and fuck Crabcore.

This cannot be anywhere as cool as when you were 14, well except for the debating of the Drop D part.

 

[mchn13]

What exactly is metalcore?

Metal mixed with hard-core.

I like metal and I like hardcore. Mixing them seems like something I would like. There has to be more to the stigma. When I think mtal and hardcore mixed, I think of bands like Sick of it All, Biohazard, Hatebreed, Machine Head, Nothingface. All bands I like. I see references to KSE. I hardly think they are the same thing. I would call KSE "mallcore" or Nu-metal. Am I missing soemthing?

alot of the bands they're talking about are just fashion victims. i like alot of bands that i'm sure others would call metalcore, including my own band.
listen to the red chord, those who lie beneath, or the last j.f.a.c.. i guess its actually deathcore, but its good playing without the dress up. i think metalcore got tagged when metal bands started doing breakdowns like the hardcore bands, but if you go back and listen.. so did suffocation, so...who gives a rats ass, listen to what you like.
i mean, hell, i'll listen to ratt, converge, and conway twitty before i go to work.
it's just a way for people who don't play enough to go online and bash someone else.

 

[again with this]

What exactly is metalcore?

Metal mixed with hard-core.

I like metal and I like hardcore. Mixing them seems like something I would like. There has to be more to the stigma. When I think mtal and hardcore mixed, I think of bands like Sick of it All, Biohazard, Hatebreed, Machine Head, Nothingface. All bands I like. I see references to KSE. I hardly think they are the same thing. I would call KSE "mallcore" or Nu-metal. Am I missing soemthing?

alot of the bands they're talking about are just fashion victims. i like alot of bands that i'm sure others would call metalcore, including my own band.
listen to the red chord, those who lie beneath, or the last j.f.a.c.. i guess its actually deathcore, but its good playing without the dress up. i think metalcore got tagged when metal bands started doing breakdowns like the hardcore bands, but if you go back and listen.. so did suffocation, so...who gives a rats ass, listen to what you like.
i mean, hell, i'll listen to ratt, converge, and conway twitty before i go to work.
it's just a way for people who don't play enough to go online and bash someone else.

I dunno... I listen with my ears. If I like it, I like it. I am all about the music. I don't care much for image. I also have a wide and varied spectrum of music that I enjoy. I keep my iPod on shuffle and could get Nile, Dizzy Gilespie, Machine Head, Gorguts, Beastie Boys, Sevendust, Clutch, Crystal method, Praxis, Deep Purple, Ramones ... in fact, these are the last 10 things played on my iPod.

 

[Engllover]

If CORE is in the name it's not metal, automatically.
that's like christian black metal. it's any oxymoron.
or moral death metal
or slow speed metal, just impossible.

metalcore isn't the worse either. I've heard christiancore, acousticore, deathcore, and even some stupid shit called mozart core. supposedly its melodic with breakdowns. LAME.

metal core is the shit stain on the heavy metal community along with some other sell out bands, people call black and death metal stupid, at least its not "Breeee breeee breeee oink oink!" lol

metalcore =

kthx

 

[Engllover]

Let's not start debating the use of drop D. That's just ridiculous.

drop D? more like C, B, and A

stupid low tunings with 6 string guitars and EMG pickups, done.

 

[glassjaw7]