Micheal Schenker/Uli Roth rig?

[TOStudent]

GREAZYGEO got me stuck on him.
I was Youtubing a bunch of Uli ROth and Schenker old and new.
Plus some old Scorps.

So I understand Uli is some custom made Maple fret board 20 something + fret.
Marshall JMP non master 100wt heads?
Pickups?
Anything else?

Schenker
Gibson v
What pick ups?
A wha I know.
Marshall 50wt jmp non masters?
No boosts?

 

[Greazygeo]

Good stuff aint it!

Uli used a stock early 70's Super Tremolo with a Fuzzface and a Roland Jet Phasor or something like that...Ant will know for sure. The old Scorps stuff was a strat with sc's. The newer stuff is his Sky guitar which is a 7 string with 40 frets I think.

MSG used a stock 50 watt Marshall and a wah stuck in one spot. His V had stock pickups as far as I know. I think nowadays he probably doesnt have a gtr or amp thats his own and just uses what is supplied to him. In case you dont know Dean has a sig MSG set of pups available that they use in his Sig Dean V....I'm going to get some to try...

Make sure you also check out the Electric Sun tune Earthquake...the end of it has some more "Yngwie" licks.

 

[70strathead]

yep ...what george said. Uli used and sill uses a 72' 100w Super Tremolo..he used a fuzz face and roland jet phaser only on specific tunes during the Scorpions/Electric sun days...but like Michael, used a Cry baby alot to give him more sustain on lots of his leads. He just plugs into a stock head and turns it WAY up. Probably the loudest guitarist i have ever seen/heard. Uli's has two Sky guitar's, one is 7 string that reaches a violin range and the other a 6-string that is tuned in Eb. the pickups on those actually active, i personally like his strat tones much better. He did have Armstrong wax his single coils, as well as Blackmore back in the 70's to reduce the obnoxious 60 cycle hum.

Really good stuff, both of the guys have amazing sense of melody and soul, with all the chops.

Ant

 

[Greazygeo]

yep ...what george said. Uli used and sill uses a 72' 100w Super Tremolo..he used a fuzz face and roland jet phaser only on specific tunes during the Scorpions/Electric sun days...but like Michael, used a Cry baby alot to give him more sustain on lots of his leads. He just plugs into a stock head and turns it WAY up. Probably the loudest guitarist i have ever seen/heard. Uli's has two Sky guitar's, one is 7 string that reaches a violin range and the other a 6-string that is tuned in Eb. the pickups on those actually active, i personally like his strat tones much better. He did have Armstrong wax his single coils, as well as Blackmore back in the 70's to reduce the obnoxious 60 cycle hum.

Really good stuff, both of the guys have amazing sense of melody and soul, with all the chops.

Ant

Something I meant to ask you...does Uli use economy picking when he is crossing strings?

 

[TOStudent]

Good stuff aint it!

Uli used a stock early 70's Super Tremolo with a Fuzzface and a Roland Jet Phasor or something like that...Ant will know for sure. The old Scorps stuff was a strat with sc's. The newer stuff is his Sky guitar which is a 7 string with 40 frets I think.

MSG used a stock 50 watt Marshall and a wah stuck in one spot. His V had stock pickups as far as I know. I think nowadays he probably doesnt have a gtr or amp thats his own and just uses what is supplied to him. In case you dont know Dean has a sig MSG set of pups available that they use in his Sig Dean V....I'm going to get some to try...

Make sure you also check out the Electric Sun tune Earthquake...the end of it has some more "Yngwie" licks.

So it's clicked on? and pushed all the way down or all the way up?
So is the wha on all the time?
For rythm or just leads?

So it does what an OD pedal does of sort?

 

[70strathead]

yep ...what george said. Uli used and sill uses a 72' 100w Super Tremolo..he used a fuzz face and roland jet phaser only on specific tunes during the Scorpions/Electric sun days...but like Michael, used a Cry baby alot to give him more sustain on lots of his leads. He just plugs into a stock head and turns it WAY up. Probably the loudest guitarist i have ever seen/heard. Uli's has two Sky guitar's, one is 7 string that reaches a violin range and the other a 6-string that is tuned in Eb. the pickups on those actually active, i personally like his strat tones much better. He did have Armstrong wax his single coils, as well as Blackmore back in the 70's to reduce the obnoxious 60 cycle hum.

Really good stuff, both of the guys have amazing sense of melody and soul, with all the chops.

Ant

Something I meant to ask you...does Uli use economy picking when he is crossing strings?

Good Question. No, its wierd really. It's almost like he strums with a free right hand but there'e no stiffness, really loose and controlled and really points the pick at a sharp angle. He did tell me he thought Yngwie's picking technique is the most economical/efficient way of all methods and that he can do it that way, but he's going after a different sound that allows him to be more rhythmic...which he is!

 

[Greazygeo]

So it's clicked on? and pushed all the way down or all the way up?
So is the wha on all the time?
For rythm or just leads?

So it does what an OD pedal does of sort?

Yeah Schenker has the wah on all the time (at least the old stuff). He just moves it around to a spot that sounds cool. The trick I used to do was to find a spot with the wah that sounded good and leave it there...then adjust the amp's tone controls after that. Its pretty noisy though.

Its not what an OD does, more of an eq filter. It does make it easier to play leads.

 

[Greazygeo]

Good Question. No, its wierd really. It's almost like he strums with a free right hand but there'e no stiffness, really loose and controlled and really points the pick at a sharp angle. He did tell me he thought Yngwie's picking technique is the most economical/efficient way of all methods and that he can do it that way, but he's going after a different sound that allows him to be more rhythmic...which he is!

i was trying to watch on various vids but couldn't tell. I noticed the strumming. He always looks like its so effortless....

 

[Rufus Leaking]

So it's clicked on? and pushed all the way down or all the way up?
So is the wha on all the time?
For rythm or just leads?

So it does what an OD pedal does of sort?

Yeah Schenker has the wah on all the time (at least the old stuff). He just moves it around to a spot that sounds cool. The trick I used to do was to find a spot with the wah that sounded good and leave it there...then adjust the amp's tone controls after that. Its pretty noisy though.

Its not what an OD does, more of an eq filter. It does make it easier to play leads.

I read (and it makes perfect sense) that Schenker usually used 2 wahs - one the traditional way and on the other he'd remove the rack that sweeps the pot. So he'd set the pot in the ideal position with his finger, then he could kick it in or out without the sweep and hunt to find his sweet spot. If you listen to his live stuff you can hear that's what's happening.

 

[Greazygeo]

So it's clicked on? and pushed all the way down or all the way up?
So is the wha on all the time?
For rythm or just leads?

So it does what an OD pedal does of sort?

Yeah Schenker has the wah on all the time (at least the old stuff). He just moves it around to a spot that sounds cool. The trick I used to do was to find a spot with the wah that sounded good and leave it there...then adjust the amp's tone controls after that. Its pretty noisy though.

Its not what an OD does, more of an eq filter. It does make it easier to play leads.

I read (and it makes perfect sense) that Schenker usually used 2 wahs - one the traditional way and on the other he'd remove the rack that sweeps the pot. So he'd set the pot in the ideal position with his finger, then he could kick it in or out without the sweep and hunt to find his sweet spot. If you listen to his live stuff you can hear that's what's happening.

Ive tried that and didnt have much luck. When using the wah there are parts of the sweep that would kinda cancel each other out, unless one is switched off at some point......

I get pretty tired of the "wah" sound pretty quickly......

 

[Greazygeo]

I get pretty tired of the "wah" sound pretty quickly......

It sounds as if Randy did the same thing on the Blizzard album, very nasal.

I think that has more to do with too many tracks / mics and phasing issues with a lack of production....I have a cheap stereo with a "karaoke " function. When playing BOO on it, on a certain setting, it cancels everything out except for the drums and one of Randy's rhythm tracks...that track sounds really good! Though I like his tones anyway

 

[Greazygeo]

I think that has more to do with too many tracks / mics and phasing issues with a lack of production....I have a cheap stereo with a "karaoke " function. When playing BOO on it, on a certain setting, it cancels everything out except for the drums and one of Randy's rhythm tracks...that track sounds really good! Though I like his tones anyway

I'm one of the few who likes the tone from Blizzard and Diary as well, I couldn't hear it any other way. When I hear those tunes played by Sakk Wylde, I just cringe.

and the replaced drums / bass....that is horrid! Two great albums for sure.

 

[dstroud]

I get pretty tired of the "wah" sound pretty quickly......

It sounds as if Randy did the same thing on the Blizzard album, very nasal.

I think that has more to do with too many tracks / mics and phasing issues with a lack of production....I have a cheap stereo with a "karaoke " function. When playing BOO on it, on a certain setting, it cancels everything out except for the drums and one of Randy's rhythm tracks...that track sounds really good! Though I like his tones anyway

Check this out, this is a quote from Max Norman about getting the Blizzard tones - I think this is the culprit that makes RR's sound questionable to some people - his tone doesn't bother me at all, and I really like the tone on Diary, especially the solo's that aren't double/triple tracked.

"The effect that I used a great deal on that album was an AMS 1518, which is a very clean British digital delay with a VCO [voltage-controlled oscillator] on it. You can slightly flange with it and do some strange grindy things if you get a hollow, tubey effect. If you listen to the rhythms on "Crazy Train," you'll hear there's a real grind to then. That particular sound comes from the AMS. "Suicide Solution" has four rhythm guitar tracks with a bit of AMS, which contributed a lot to its fullness. At the very end of that song he used feedback and his vibrato bar."

 

[70strathead]

Good Question. No, its wierd really. It's almost like he strums with a free right hand but there'e no stiffness, really loose and controlled and really points the pick at a sharp angle. He did tell me he thought Yngwie's picking technique is the most economical/efficient way of all methods and that he can do it that way, but he's going after a different sound that allows him to be more rhythmic...which he is!

i was trying to watch on various vids but couldn't tell. I noticed the strumming. He always looks like its so effortless....

the issue with Uli sometimes is that u never get a straight foward answer to a question like this...he'll relate it to some gravitational force and some sort of metaphysical approach....but yes, it always looks effortless, especially when he is doing really crazy classical lines ( not talking about harmonic minor wanking), but Mendelsson or Vivaldi violin flurries that he just whips out on a clean amp with absolutely no struggle...scary.

 

[Greazygeo]

Good Question. No, its wierd really. It's almost like he strums with a free right hand but there'e no stiffness, really loose and controlled and really points the pick at a sharp angle. He did tell me he thought Yngwie's picking technique is the most economical/efficient way of all methods and that he can do it that way, but he's going after a different sound that allows him to be more rhythmic...which he is!

i was trying to watch on various vids but couldn't tell. I noticed the strumming. He always looks like its so effortless....

the issue with Uli sometimes is that u never get a straight foward answer to a question like this...he'll relate it to some gravitational force and some sort of metaphysical approach....but yes, it always looks effortless, especially when he is doing really crazy classical lines ( not talking about harmonic minor wanking), but Mendelsson or Vivaldi violin flurries that he just whips out on a clean amp with absolutely no struggle...scary.

Yeah he seems pretty out there! His Vivaldi stuff is pretty mind blowing when you catch the nuances he puts in there.

 

[70strathead]

the issue with Uli sometimes is that u never get a straight foward answer to a question like this...he'll relate it to some gravitational force and some sort of metaphysical approach....but yes, it always looks effortless, especially when he is doing really crazy classical lines ( not talking about harmonic minor wanking), but Mendelsson or Vivaldi violin flurries that he just whips out on a clean amp with absolutely no struggle...scary.[/quote]Yeah he seems pretty out there! His Vivaldi stuff is pretty mind blowing when you catch the nuances he puts in there.[/quote]

I transcribed the outro solo to Earthquake last year and Uli actually blessed without too much critizism of the fingering...in case u never had a chance to take a crack at it! ...you'll need power tab software. enjoy!

 

[Greazygeo]

the issue with Uli sometimes is that u never get a straight foward answer to a question like this...he'll relate it to some gravitational force and some sort of metaphysical approach....but yes, it always looks effortless, especially when he is doing really crazy classical lines ( not talking about harmonic minor wanking), but Mendelsson or Vivaldi violin flurries that he just whips out on a clean amp with absolutely no struggle...scary.

Yeah he seems pretty out there! His Vivaldi stuff is pretty mind blowing when you catch the nuances he puts in there.[/quote]

I transcribed the outro solo to Earthquake last year and Uli actually blessed without too much critizism of the fingering...in case u never had a chance to take a crack at it! ...you'll need power tab software. enjoy![/quote]Yep, I got that when you posted it before, thanks again for that. i have Power tab on the pc, I wonder if they have it for mac? I still need to take a crack at it though Been obsessed with country lately

 

[70strathead]

the issue with Uli sometimes is that u never get a straight foward answer to a question like this...he'll relate it to some gravitational force and some sort of metaphysical approach....but yes, it always looks effortless, especially when he is doing really crazy classical lines ( not talking about harmonic minor wanking), but Mendelsson or Vivaldi violin flurries that he just whips out on a clean amp with absolutely no struggle...scary.

Yeah he seems pretty out there! His Vivaldi stuff is pretty mind blowing when you catch the nuances he puts in there.

I transcribed the outro solo to Earthquake last year and Uli actually blessed without too much critizism of the fingering...in case u never had a chance to take a crack at it! ...you'll need power tab software. enjoy![/quote]Yep, I got that when you posted it before, thanks again for that. i have Power tab on the pc, I wonder if they have it for mac? I still need to take a crack at it though Been obsessed with country lately [/quote]

cool..dude learn it with a country swing! LOL ..bust out that tele, plug it into a clean twin setting and have some fried chicken on the side for later!

 

[Greazygeo]

cool..dude learn it with a country swing! LOL ..bust out that tele, plug it into a clean twin setting and have some fried chicken on the side for later!

a few choice painful pedal steel bends...I can hear it now!

 

[70strathead]

cool..dude learn it with a country swing! LOL ..bust out that tele, plug it into a clean twin setting and have some fried chicken on the side for later!

a few choice painful pedal steel bends...I can hear it now!

ha!