MIDI Control// Pedal switcher

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Gambit":1t2pw55e said:
Zachman":1t2pw55e said:
Okay... A switching system is a MIDI programmable/controllable audio routing network (think of it as a MIDI programmable/controllable patchbay), and some are better than others and some have more features than others. They can allow you to route some stuff to the front of your amp (ex. pedals), switch amp channels and even simultaneously route other stuff to your amp's loop (Rack processors) or to an external power amp for a w/d or w/d/w setup, or to another amp (like what you were talking about doing). Ok, I am assuming we're talking about the GCX here. I like the idea of having my pedals that I run in front of my amp on the floor so I can adjust them on the fly, so though I could technically run them to the GCX, I would still want to keep them on the floor and not in the rack itself. Some pedals I could see leaving in the rack. Thats why I wanted to opt for the pedal switcher, acting as a bypass to preserve my signal while keeping the pedals in front of me. I could always use long cables and run the stompboxes to the GCX and still have them infront of me, I definitely understand that. I just feel for the sake of keeping things simple that running 2 or 3 pedal switchers would be easier. I also do understand that the GCX is midi controllable. I have read the manual and some things make sense and some dont, so I'm just going to clarify what I do understand.

Imo, you aren't ready to decide that you want the GCP yet, as you aren't sure what level of control you need nor what gear you're going to have to control. The GCP is a well-built unit, but may not possess some features you may want/need when all is said and done. I agree, trying to do my homework before I buy anything.

Imo, you first need to sort out your gear needs.

You said you wanted:

* 3 amps simultaneously (each through it's own speaker)
Definitely two at least. I want to run a tremoverb with its mesa cab, a jcm 2000 with its 1960a cab and possibly an orange rockerverb. No idea yet wether I want an orange cab or if I would just run the marshall and the orange stereo into the marshall cab. As of right now I am going to treat my setup as if I am try to operate two heads connected to two different speakers... whatever gear I get needs to have the option of being able to add a third head/cab

* Running your gear through each amps loop (imo, isn't the way to accomplish this)
Based on feedback here I am no longer going to try to run the same rack units through all the different amps. If anything, if I need to get the same rack FX on different amp heads I will simply buy another one of that FX unit. I am going to run an amp dry at all times, save maybe a wah or compressor, most likely the mesa tremoverb.

* And some pedals through the front of each amp.
Yes definitely. I was planning on going guitar-pedal switchers (connected to pedals)-amp switcher-different amps. The amp switcher wont be the voodoo labs one, I am considering the mesa rack piece if I can find it on ebay or someones selling. I imagine in that scenerio I would go guitar-pedal switchers- mesa rack input- and from the rack input that would connect to the inputs of the different amps.

* MIDI controlled (with presets adjusting your MIDI gear to the proper presets, and activating/deactivating whether or not given devices are in the signal path, and I am assuming-- selecting amp channel switching as well.
Absolutely, I most of the time run my amps on a particular dirty setting so channel switching would just be icing on the cake, I wouldnt need to use it so much though.... turning off and on particular FX for different parts in songs and even switching between amps is priority.

Is this correct? Did I leave anything out?
No man, you summed it up pretty great. I want to be able to control my stompboxes in front of the amp (while leaving them on the floor), control my rack FX (which now I realize each should only be going to one amp at a time), and have all of this able to go to multiple amps. I would also very much like to be able to switch between the amps, say if I just wanted to solo on one amp and not the other two for whatever reason. Keeping that in mind it would be cool if my amp switcher was midi controllable so perhaps the midi controller I choose can turn the amps on or off?

When designing a rig like this you have to figure out how many loops/control functions you will end up needing.

I recommend going to http://www.customaudioelectronics.com/faq

And reading EVERYTHING there a few times, starting with "How do I determine what I need for a custom switching system".

TRUST me-- do this before spending any money at all.

My next plan of action will be to go there and read and re-read everything. Ill do my best understand it. I really really appreciate all the time you're spending helping me out here.

Think of me as the kid you were before you were masterful at all this stuff, think of how you would teach it all to yourself again. =)


If I were to think of you as me, 20 years ago, I would tell myself, to listen to the me that I am now.

I run a 4 amp w/d/w rig, w/ pedals in front of the amp, and stereo processors in only the wet section of the rig. Redundant effects units for each amp-- NO WAY. TOTALLY unnecessary.

Wanting to keep some of your pedals on the floor in front of you is a valid requirement-- but it makes your setup a bit more involved.

May I suggest you contact Dave Phillips of LA Sound Design, Let him know I (Zach Petersen) sent you. He is a SUPER cool guy and can build what you need, as well as help you to design an efficient way to accomplish your goal/goals.

http://www.lasounddesign.net/

FWIW, you do remind me of me 20 years ago-- and I have to tell you/the me I was 20 years ago-- the tone journey you have ahead of you is a fun one, but WILL become expensive-- likely VERY expensive-- if you will indeed become the me that I am today.
 
Hahaha, I totally can see the money being put into this already.

As far as the wet/dry/wet situation with four amps... are two wet and two dry?

I've already been convinced to have at least one dry amp and one-two wet ones... is that wet/dry/wet?

If you mean redundant FX as running the same rack pieces into multiple amps, I am not planning on doing that. My one-two wet rigs will have seperate FX.

I can call Dave Phillips and ask him some questions, but I dont have thousends to spend on this just yet. I was planning on building it piece by piece. If you feel like he can offer me some good advice though, and maybe theres an affordable thing or two I can get from him to better facilitate the process I would be very interested in calling him.

thanks brother
 
steve_k":2d07s69w said:
This is giving me a head ache.... :doh:


Haha, now imagine if you were the guy who was trying to figure all this out!
 
Gambit":1ivjku3n said:
Hahaha, I totally can see the money being put into this already.

As far as the wet/dry/wet situation with four amps... are two wet and two dry?

I've already been convinced to have at least one dry amp and one-two wet ones... is that wet/dry/wet?

If you mean redundant FX as running the same rack pieces into multiple amps, I am not planning on doing that. My one-two wet rigs will have seperate FX.

I can call Dave Phillips and ask him some questions, but I dont have thousends to spend on this just yet. I was planning on building it piece by piece. If you feel like he can offer me some good advice though, and maybe theres an affordable thing or two I can get from him to better facilitate the process I would be very interested in calling him.

thanks brother

re: the multi-amp question: No

I was telling you how to blend all 4amps-- each with it's own speaker happening AND have one set of effects be driven by ALL of the amps simultaneously/individually or any combination, through a separate "Wet" power amp/speaker or 2 speaker cabs if stereo effects were what you wanted in a w/d or w/d/w configuration.

Re: the costs-- WELCOME to my world :D It is a pay to play game, and YOU my friend have VERY expensive needs/requirements/desires.
 
glpg80":1qxia9qc said:
lady gaga is hot as hell - nice avatar :rock:
You do know that lady gaga is not a lady, it's a man, i.e. TS.
 
King Crimson":1wgf9aot said:
glpg80":1wgf9aot said:
lady gaga is hot as hell - nice avatar :rock:
You do know that lady gaga is not a lady, it's a man, i.e. TS.

glgp80 has left the forum.

The word going around is she was born with both. Probably just a poblicity stunt in this case.
1 of every 80 have both fully developed.
1 of every 25 have both, but they are not fully developed. It is much more common than most people know.

Take a look at video of her in my signature, notice the hips and neck .....what do you think ?
 
Gambit":1ula67no said:
As far as amp switchers the VOODOO labs one is said to be a piece of junk here, I appreciate that info before I bought it.

Really? The GCX/GCP combo is excellent IMO.
 
dfrattaroli":25w90g8q said:
Gambit":25w90g8q said:
As far as amp switchers the VOODOO labs one is said to be a piece of junk here, I appreciate that info before I bought it.

Really? The GCX/GCP combo is excellent IMO.

+1. More forum fueled bullshit. My GCX/GC rig sounds killer and has never failed me once. My GC even fell off the roof of my truck at 45 mph and still works great. :thumbsup:
 
killertone":21l5qksy said:
dfrattaroli":21l5qksy said:
Gambit":21l5qksy said:
As far as amp switchers the VOODOO labs one is said to be a piece of junk here, I appreciate that info before I bought it.

Really? The GCX/GCP combo is excellent IMO.

+1. More forum fueled bullshit. My GCX/GC rig sounds killer and has never failed me once. My GC even fell off the roof of my truck at 45 mph and still works great. :thumbsup:

I missed the forum fueled BS part... Where did anyone say that VooDoo Labs was junk?
 
stephen sawall":2ipkbukm said:
King Crimson":2ipkbukm said:
glpg80":2ipkbukm said:
lady gaga is hot as hell - nice avatar :rock:
You do know that lady gaga is not a lady, it's a man, i.e. TS.

glgp80 has left the forum.

The word going around is she was born with both. Probably just a poblicity stunt in this case.
1 of every 80 have both fully developed.
1 of every 25 have both, but they are not fully developed. It is much more common than most people know.

Take a look at video of her in my signature, notice the hips and neck .....what do you think ?

One of every 25 what? You're telling me I should have stopped at 24 girls and been safe. Damn. I feel so :aww: :no: :lol: :LOL:


Just seems to me that with the OPs financial requirements and technical knowledge that this is a path he shouldn't go down yet. Maybe start with some of the expandable pieces in a smaller rig and as he learns how to use it, add to it. You can not judge what equipment you should invest in by internet chatter. Find someone with some of this gear and check it out. I didn't like the front end buffer on the GCX. I found it tone sucking, as I do the G-system as well. I A/B'd these with a lot of different things. Others like them. There is no right or wrong, just different opinions and ears.

Rack Systems and LASound Design are great, but $$$ for the level you are at. Not bagging on you, but it would be a shame if you put all this together and then wish you would have gone a different way. If you are seriously asking legit questions, then put down the manuals and diagram something out. Then people can advise you from there. This took me just a couple of minutes to make. I don't even have to use cabs at places that don't allow them. I can add 2 more amps very easily. Not as complex as Zach's, but works fantasticly for me.

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I would suggest just flat out calling Bradshaw, Mario( from axcess), or Skrydstrup, or Friedman..take it all in, then make some edumacated guess from there, see what what you can afford, but if you can, buy the BEST you can! :)
 
dfrattaroli":1ar3mljg said:
Zachman":1ar3mljg said:
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I missed the forum fueled BS part... Where did anyone say that VooDoo Labs was junk?

The OP.

Ya, he was saying that "others" were saying that. No biggie... Personally I don't think they're bad, but there are things about them that (For his, and my application) don't make them the ideal choice, imo.

:thumbsup:
 
Shark Diver":2ukb3azw said:
One of every 25 what?

One out of every 25 humans born. Most of them it is so under developed it is hard to tell. Most / almost all are turn into girls shortly after birth. In most cases they do not ever tell the person. How accurate these numbers are I question ... it was something I read a while back. I do know it is very common in any case.

One thing is for sure .... most women are creepy enough .... this does not help. :lol: :LOL:
 
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