MIDI help needed

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I want to control my G-Major and GCX with a Roland FC-200 controller. It was pretty easy to set the FC-200 to do program changes on the G-Major. Ideally, what I want to do is ADD the on/off commands for each of the loops on the GCX, by each selected patch. I have poured through the manuals for all of the three units and I have to be missing something. Alternatly, It would work if I could figure out how to send the MIDI signals from the G-Major to the GCX, based of patch selected. But, It doesn't look like the G-Major actually has any MIDI control...

HELP!

 

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Bump for Sunday morning crew. C'mon people.

 

[Sixtonoize]

Use the MIDI THRU to connect the GMajor to the GCX.
Set them to different channels (The GCX only uses channel 16).
For each patch on the Roland, send one command to each channel (Program on the GMajor, On/Off state on the GCX).

The Roland needs to send Control Change data on channel 16 to switch the GXC.
Not all MIDI controller can sent Control Change data, so you'll need to figure out if it can.

 

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Use the MIDI THRU to connect the GMajor to the GCX.
Set them to different channels (The GCX only uses channel 16).
For each patch on the Roland, send one command to each channel (Program on the GMajor, On/Off state on the GCX).

The Roland needs to send Control Change data on channel 16 to switch the GXC.
Not all MIDI controller can sent Control Change data, so you'll need to figure out if it can.

Thanks. Yeah, I pretty much figured that much out. It's the nuts and bolts of the "how to" that I am struggling with.

 

[Tawlks]

I see so many threads regarding the GCX like this. The instruction manual must be shit.

 

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I see so many threads regarding the GCX like this. The instruction manual must be shit.

I think they make it purposely ambiguous to incentivize people to buy companion Ground Control. The GCX manual isn't bad. Actually fairly straight forward. The FC-200 manual is shit, however.

 

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Big progress. But still not quite there. I have the FC-200 controlling the GCX switching, one switch at a time. Just need to figure out if there is a way to send multiple CC messages with each footswitch. The crappy thing is, I think a) the FC-200 won't do multiple CC messages, which means buying a new controller and b) looks like I am going to have to program the G Major to listen to CC messages rather than Program Changes.

Does anybody know if there is a foot controller that will send CC and Program Changes silmultaneously, or if that's even possible?

 

[Zachman]

Big progress. But still not quite there. I have the FC-200 controlling the GCX switching, one switch at a time. Just need to figure out if there is a way to send multiple CC messages with each footswitch. The crappy thing is, I think a) the FC-200 won't do multiple CC messages, which means buying a new controller and b) looks like I am going to have to program the G Major to listen to CC messages rather than Program Changes.

Does anybody know if there is a foot controller that will send CC and Program Changes silmultaneously, or if that's even possible?

Absolutely... YES. This is a rather common feature nowadays.

Happy Researching:

http://g-force.info/midiboard_comparison.htm

Killer Units= more $$$, but WORTH it

The TOP 3, imo-- Like Lamborghini, Ferrari, and Porsche
Skrydstrup R&D
Liquid Foot Pro
Custom Audio Electronics

 

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Big progress. But still not quite there. I have the FC-200 controlling the GCX switching, one switch at a time. Just need to figure out if there is a way to send multiple CC messages with each footswitch. The crappy thing is, I think a) the FC-200 won't do multiple CC messages, which means buying a new controller and b) looks like I am going to have to program the G Major to listen to CC messages rather than Program Changes.

Does anybody know if there is a foot controller that will send CC and Program Changes silmultaneously, or if that's even possible?

Absolutely... YES. This is a rather common feature nowadays.

Happy Researching:

http://g-force.info/midiboard_comparison.htm

Killer Units= more $$$, but WORTH it

The TOP 3, imo-- Like Lamborghini, Ferrari, and Porsche
Skrydstrup R&D
Liquid Foot Pro
Custom Audio Electronics

Aloha Zach. Thanks for chiming in.

now if only the Ground Control had a built in expression pedal and was cheap, I'd be in business I don't know why, but the idea of an external expression/volume pedal is lame to me. Guess I'll just have to get over it.

What are all you guys using?

 

[Zachman]

Big progress. But still not quite there. I have the FC-200 controlling the GCX switching, one switch at a time. Just need to figure out if there is a way to send multiple CC messages with each footswitch. The crappy thing is, I think a) the FC-200 won't do multiple CC messages, which means buying a new controller and b) looks like I am going to have to program the G Major to listen to CC messages rather than Program Changes.

Does anybody know if there is a foot controller that will send CC and Program Changes silmultaneously, or if that's even possible?

Absolutely... YES. This is a rather common feature nowadays.

Happy Researching:

http://g-force.info/midiboard_comparison.htm

Killer Units= more $$$, but WORTH it

The TOP 3, imo-- Like Lamborghini, Ferrari, and Porsche
Skrydstrup R&D
Liquid Foot Pro
Custom Audio Electronics

Aloha Zach. Thanks for chiming in.

now if only the Ground Control had a built in expression pedal and was cheap, I'd be in business I don't know why, but the idea of an external expression/volume pedal is lame to me. Guess I'll just have to get over it.

What are all you guys using?

I use a Custom Audio Electronics Double Expanded RS10, and Boss FV500 Volume Pedals and one as an Expression Pedal

 

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Nice controller Zach. Man, that is waaayy to much for me. I am thinking seriously about Ground Control and one of those Boss volume pedals is the way to go for me... but I need to get back to steady work first. Them toys 'aint cheap.

 

[Zachman]

Nice controller Zach. Man, that is waaayy to much for me. I am thinking seriously about Ground Control and one of those Boss volume pedals is the way to go for me... but I need to get back to steady work first. Them toys 'aint cheap.

Thanks...

Ya, it is a pay to play game, and the entry fee can be steep, depending on how particular one is on the results one gets, or how much variety and quality one plans on achieving.

 

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What's the difference between the Boss FV 500 L&H? I mean, when would you use the high and low impedence?

 

[Zachman]

What's the difference between the Boss FV 500 L&H? I mean, when would you use the high and low impedence?

High for when you want an instrument level signal, and Low for Line level signals

 

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What's the difference between the Boss FV 500 L&H? I mean, when would you use the high and low impedence?

High for when you want an instrument level signal, and Low for Line level signals

isn't it an expression pedal? Guess it's time to read another manual.

edit: yep... geez. Can anyone explain why they would need two models? Seems to me it would be easier to have just the "L" config and an impedence selector switch. Obviously, that's too simplified, or they'd make it that way. Wouldn't they???

 

[Zachman]

What's the difference between the Boss FV 500 L&H? I mean, when would you use the high and low impedence?

High for when you want an instrument level signal, and Low for Line level signals

isn't it an expression pedal? Guess it's time to read another manual.

It can be used for that application. I use 3 of them.

One is a Master (Pre) Volume pedal for the whole rig
One is a (Post) Volume pedal for the 'Wet' section of the rig
One is an Expression pedal for the Eventide H8000FW

 

[again with this]

What's the difference between the Boss FV 500 L&H? I mean, when would you use the high and low impedence?

High for when you want an instrument level signal, and Low for Line level signals

isn't it an expression pedal? Guess it's time to read another manual.

It can be used for that application. I use 3 of them.

One is a Master (Pre) Volume pedal for the whole rig
One is a (Post) Volume pedal for the 'Wet' section of the rig
One is an Expression pedal for the Eventide H8000FW

The expression pedal I have now is programmed to be a post volume, which doubles as "tuner mute". That is what I want again. I use the volume knob for master/pre. I want my cake and eat it too, snazzy bells and whistles, but very, very simple.

 

[Zachman]

What's the difference between the Boss FV 500 L&H? I mean, when would you use the high and low impedence?

High for when you want an instrument level signal, and Low for Line level signals

isn't it an expression pedal? Guess it's time to read another manual.

It can be used for that application. I use 3 of them.

One is a Master (Pre) Volume pedal for the whole rig
One is a (Post) Volume pedal for the 'Wet' section of the rig
One is an Expression pedal for the Eventide H8000FW

The expression pedal I have now is programmed to be a post volume, which doubles as "tuner mute". That is what I want again. I use the volume knob for master/pre. I want my cake and eat it too, snazzy bells and whistles, but very, very simple.

Cool... What's your signal chain?

 

[again with this]

What's the difference between the Boss FV 500 L&H? I mean, when would you use the high and low impedence?

High for when you want an instrument level signal, and Low for Line level signals

isn't it an expression pedal? Guess it's time to read another manual.

It can be used for that application. I use 3 of them.

One is a Master (Pre) Volume pedal for the whole rig
One is a (Post) Volume pedal for the 'Wet' section of the rig
One is an Expression pedal for the Eventide H8000FW

The expression pedal I have now is programmed to be a post volume, which doubles as "tuner mute". That is what I want again. I use the volume knob for master/pre. I want my cake and eat it too, snazzy bells and whistles, but very, very simple.

Cool... What's your signal chain?

Very simple FC-200 -> GMajor (controls switching on Recto Pre, which controls 2:100 modern switch). that's it for now, since the FC-200 isn't going to control the GCX the way I want it to.

What I want is to ADD another amp, 5150 at the moment, to the mix. I mean, it's there, just all the switching for each amp is independent. No fun tap dancing. Where I want to go is, Ground Control w/"post" volume expression pedal -> GCX to split signal, control switching on 5150 and maybe a boost-> Recto Rig. I am quite sure once that's all working there will be something else I will decide I need to add.

I really want to figure out how to send simultaneous Program Changes and Control Changes. I do not want to have to reprogram or replace the G Major.

Did I leave anything out?

 

[Zachman]

What's the difference between the Boss FV 500 L&H? I mean, when would you use the high and low impedence?

High for when you want an instrument level signal, and Low for Line level signals

isn't it an expression pedal? Guess it's time to read another manual.

It can be used for that application. I use 3 of them.

One is a Master (Pre) Volume pedal for the whole rig
One is a (Post) Volume pedal for the 'Wet' section of the rig
One is an Expression pedal for the Eventide H8000FW

The expression pedal I have now is programmed to be a post volume, which doubles as "tuner mute". That is what I want again. I use the volume knob for master/pre. I want my cake and eat it too, snazzy bells and whistles, but very, very simple.

Cool... What's your signal chain?

Very simple FC-200 -> GMajor (controls switching on Recto Pre, which controls 2:100 modern switch). that's it for now, since the FC-200 isn't going to control the GCX the way I want it to.

What I want is to ADD another amp, 5150 at the moment, to the mix. I mean, it's there, just all the switching for each amp is independent. No fun tap dancing. Where I want to go is, Ground Control w/"post" volume expression pedal -> GCX to split signal, control switching on 5150 and maybe a boost-> Recto Rig. I am quite sure once that's all working there will be something else I will decide I need to add.

I really want to figure out how to send simultaneous Program Changes and Control Changes. I do not want to have to reprogram or replace the G Major.

Did I leave anything out?

Hmmm... I don't think your foot controller will do all that you want. I may be mistaken, but I don't think so. Not so much a matter of replacing the G-major as it is having a controller that will send simultaneous PC#'s and CC#'s, plus the additional functionality of your controllers ability to program the expression pedal-- though I think you can add a second expression pedal which you may be able to assign globally, per preset.

I think your rig plans may require you to have a more feature savvy controller.

Adding another amp adds another level of complexity to your rig, and depending on how the second amp is to be integrated into the architecture will have you looking at some other gear (possibly an amp selector), and considering some routing issues.

ex.
Are you blending the two amps (slaving them) mono, then into the 2:100? for a stereo rig or a w/d setup?

Is each amp going to be used individually (mono) through it's own cabinet, then sharing the effects, then split out into your 2:100 for a w/d, stereo rig, or a w/d/w rig?

Is each amp going to be used individually (mono) sharing the same cabinet, then sharing the effects, then split out into your 2:100 for a stereo rig (if you load down the amps using the shared cabinet), or a w/d/w rig?