MIDI help needed

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What's the difference between the Boss FV 500 L&H? I mean, when would you use the high and low impedence?

High for when you want an instrument level signal, and Low for Line level signals

isn't it an expression pedal? Guess it's time to read another manual.

It can be used for that application. I use 3 of them.

One is a Master (Pre) Volume pedal for the whole rig
One is a (Post) Volume pedal for the 'Wet' section of the rig
One is an Expression pedal for the Eventide H8000FW

The expression pedal I have now is programmed to be a post volume, which doubles as "tuner mute". That is what I want again. I use the volume knob for master/pre. I want my cake and eat it too, snazzy bells and whistles, but very, very simple.

Cool... What's your signal chain?

Very simple FC-200 -> GMajor (controls switching on Recto Pre, which controls 2:100 modern switch). that's it for now, since the FC-200 isn't going to control the GCX the way I want it to.

What I want is to ADD another amp, 5150 at the moment, to the mix. I mean, it's there, just all the switching for each amp is independent. No fun tap dancing. Where I want to go is, Ground Control w/"post" volume expression pedal -> GCX to split signal, control switching on 5150 and maybe a boost-> Recto Rig. I am quite sure once that's all working there will be something else I will decide I need to add.

I really want to figure out how to send simultaneous Program Changes and Control Changes. I do not want to have to reprogram or replace the G Major.

Did I leave anything out?

Hmmm... I don't think your foot controller will do all that you want. I may be mistaken, but I don't think so. Not so much a matter of replacing the G-major as it is having a controller that will send simultaneous PC#'s and CC#'s, plus the additional functionality of your controllers ability to program the expression pedal-- though I think you can add a second expression pedal which you may be able to assign globally, per preset.

I think your rig plans may require you to have a more feature savvy controller.

Adding another amp adds another level of complexity to your rig, and depending on how the second amp is to be integrated into the architecture will have you looking at some other gear (possibly an amp selector), and considering some routing issues.

ex.
Are you blending the two amps (slaving them) mono, then into the 2:100? for a stereo rig or a w/d setup?

Is each amp going to be used individually (mono) through it's own cabinet, then sharing the effects, then split out into your 2:100 for a w/d, stereo rig, or a w/d/w rig?

Is each amp going to be used individually (mono) sharing the same cabinet, then sharing the effects, then split out into your 2:100 for a stereo rig (if you load down the amps using the shared cabinet), or a w/d/w rig?

Hey Zach,

Yeah. I have pretty much determined, confirmed by Roland in fact, that the controller I have won't do the job. Thus the intended migration to Ground Control plus expression pedal. Unless, you meant the Ground Control won't do it either...

I want to run both amps simultaneously. Not sure what other wants that will generate once I get the channel switching going. But in all applications, I intend to keep it as simple as possible.

Right now, I have two stereo cabs sitting side by side. The outer two sets of 2x12 get fed from the 2:100 for "wet"/stereo effects and the two inner sets of 2x12 get the 5150 for "dry" (but not always due to delay in 5150 loop)/mono. So, it's more of a multi amp than actual w/d/w.

Scott

 

[Zachman]

What's the difference between the Boss FV 500 L&H? I mean, when would you use the high and low impedence?

High for when you want an instrument level signal, and Low for Line level signals

isn't it an expression pedal? Guess it's time to read another manual.

It can be used for that application. I use 3 of them.

One is a Master (Pre) Volume pedal for the whole rig
One is a (Post) Volume pedal for the 'Wet' section of the rig
One is an Expression pedal for the Eventide H8000FW

The expression pedal I have now is programmed to be a post volume, which doubles as "tuner mute". That is what I want again. I use the volume knob for master/pre. I want my cake and eat it too, snazzy bells and whistles, but very, very simple.

Cool... What's your signal chain?

Very simple FC-200 -> GMajor (controls switching on Recto Pre, which controls 2:100 modern switch). that's it for now, since the FC-200 isn't going to control the GCX the way I want it to.

What I want is to ADD another amp, 5150 at the moment, to the mix. I mean, it's there, just all the switching for each amp is independent. No fun tap dancing. Where I want to go is, Ground Control w/"post" volume expression pedal -> GCX to split signal, control switching on 5150 and maybe a boost-> Recto Rig. I am quite sure once that's all working there will be something else I will decide I need to add.

I really want to figure out how to send simultaneous Program Changes and Control Changes. I do not want to have to reprogram or replace the G Major.

Did I leave anything out?

Hmmm... I don't think your foot controller will do all that you want. I may be mistaken, but I don't think so. Not so much a matter of replacing the G-major as it is having a controller that will send simultaneous PC#'s and CC#'s, plus the additional functionality of your controllers ability to program the expression pedal-- though I think you can add a second expression pedal which you may be able to assign globally, per preset.

I think your rig plans may require you to have a more feature savvy controller.

Adding another amp adds another level of complexity to your rig, and depending on how the second amp is to be integrated into the architecture will have you looking at some other gear (possibly an amp selector), and considering some routing issues.

ex.
Are you blending the two amps (slaving them) mono, then into the 2:100? for a stereo rig or a w/d setup?

Is each amp going to be used individually (mono) through it's own cabinet, then sharing the effects, then split out into your 2:100 for a w/d, stereo rig, or a w/d/w rig?

Is each amp going to be used individually (mono) sharing the same cabinet, then sharing the effects, then split out into your 2:100 for a stereo rig (if you load down the amps using the shared cabinet), or a w/d/w rig?

Hey Zach,

Yeah. I have pretty much determined, confirmed by Roland in fact, that the controller I have won't do the job. Thus the intended migration to Ground Control plus expression pedal. Unless, you meant the Ground Control won't do it either...

I want to run both amps simultaneously. Not sure what other wants that will generate once I get the channel switching going. But in all applications, I intend to keep it as simple as possible.

Right now, I have two stereo cabs sitting side by side. The outer two sets of 2x12 get fed from the 2:100 for "wet"/stereo effects and the two inner sets of 2x12 get the 5150 for "dry" (but not always due to delay in 5150 loop)/mono. So, it's more of a multi amp than actual w/d/w.

Scott

My guess is that you will end up changing your rig design around a few more times, before your adventure is up. That's okay too.

Happy rig building... It's a fun, even though sometimes frustrating, ride.

Best of luck,

Zach

 

[Bishop5150]

Before I had my G-system I was using a G-Major and a GCX audio switcher with a Ground Control Pro and a 5150. I had 2 Ernie Ball 6166's connected to the Ground Control Pro for volume and expression use. The Ground Control unit should do everything your wanting. It handled all of my G-Major's patch changing and GCX loop switching like a charm. I never got them to switch the 5150's channels though.

 

[again with this]

Before I had my G-system I was using a G-Major and a GCX audio switcher with a Ground Control Pro and a 5150. I had 2 Ernie Ball 6166's connected to the Ground Control Pro for volume and expression use. The Ground Control unit should do everything your wanting. It handled all of my G-Major's patch changing and GCX loop switching like a charm. I never got them to switch the 5150's channels though.

Good to hear! Thanks.

Just to clarify, did you get the Ground Control sending PC# and CC# simultaneously on one footswitch?

I see no reason the GCX couldn't do the switching on the 5150 as long as you are willing to dedicate two GCX loops. One for channel and another for FX loop.

Here's another question for guys running two GCXs. Do they work like "two GCXs at the same time", meaning when you send CC# 80 value 127, do you get both loops #1 to engage? Or is there a way to make them work like one 16 channel GCX, I think this would require assigining new CC#s to create loops "9-16"?