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Why oh why do people have to f**k up really good amps from the 80s?!!? I mean seriously... there are too many options for that "modded" tone out there these days. Splawn, FJA, Voodoo just to name a few. Why must people ruin classic amps like the JCM800, Peavey Butcher & VTM with mods? I just don't get it. Soon there will be none of these great old amps left that haven't been hacked and drilled to death.

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Tis a slippery slope we tread upon..............................

It could go for all gear, some like vintage LPs while I would totally tear it apart to make it a better instrument but yeah vintage marshalls I would probably leave alone for the most part and hack up a re-issue. I know some that have done it have owned the amp for a long time and bought them for 20-30 cents on the dollar in today's market, they are not going to sell them so they mod them.

IN the end I would rather here their mods and get to play them instead of being handed white gloves, I have zero tollerance for collectors and pledgers.
 
I love my stock JCM800 with a pedal...no mods required!!!

:rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:
 
psychodave":j923fji5 said:
You will hate me then... I have modded or tinkered with my 67 plexi, 71, 72, 74 SL's and my 84 JCM800 (which I sold) and a Mark III green stripe. In the end they are my amps and I use em. I recently ripped apart my 72 SL and turned it into a gain machine. You say "why", I say "why not" :D :rock:

I'm curious, what did you do to the Mark III?
 
Digital Jams":3hb1i5rw said:
Tis a slippery slope we tread upon..............................

It could go for all gear, some like vintage LPs while I would totally tear it apart to make it a better instrument but yeah vintage marshalls I would probably leave alone for the most part and hack up a re-issue. I know some that have done it have owned the amp for a long time and bought them for 20-30 cents on the dollar in today's market, they are not going to sell them so they mod them.

IN the end I would rather here their mods and get to play them instead of being handed white gloves, I have zero tollerance for collectors and pledgers.


How do you make a good vintage LP a better instrument? I am a fender guy all day long but the best vintage instruments I have played were good vintage (50s) gibsons. The kind that make you worry about pickguard screws. :lol: :LOL:

I am all for leaving a vintage Marshall original, but it is alot easier to fix an amp circuit than a hacked up chunk of wood.

JTyson":3hb1i5rw said:
STOP YELLING AT US :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: Peavey butcher? :confused:

:D

A peavey butcher is already butchered marshalll, not much to lose sleep over.
 
psychodave":1axs4b91 said:
You will hate me then... I have modded or tinkered with my 67 plexi, 71, 72, 74 SL's and my 84 JCM800 (which I sold) and a Mark III green stripe. In the end they are my amps and I use em. I recently ripped apart my 72 SL and turned it into a gain machine. You say "why", I say "why not" :D :rock:
+1.
I use to do the same and have no regrets.
These days thou it maybe better if someone wants a modded Plexi tone to go buy a THD Flexi or one of the dozens of other amps out there that are almost as good.
 
Strat+Marshall":2i8gvryo said:
Digital Jams":2i8gvryo said:
Tis a slippery slope we tread upon..............................

It could go for all gear, some like vintage LPs while I would totally tear it apart to make it a better instrument but yeah vintage marshalls I would probably leave alone for the most part and hack up a re-issue. I know some that have done it have owned the amp for a long time and bought them for 20-30 cents on the dollar in today's market, they are not going to sell them so they mod them.

IN the end I would rather here their mods and get to play them instead of being handed white gloves, I have zero tollerance for collectors and pledgers.


How do you make a good vintage LP a better instrument? I am a fender guy all day long but the best vintage instruments I have played were good vintage (50s) gibsons. The kind that make you worry about pickguard screws. :lol: :LOL:

I am all for leaving a vintage Marshall original, but it is alot easier to fix an amp circuit than a hacked up chunk of wood.

JTyson":2i8gvryo said:
STOP YELLING AT US :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: Peavey butcher? :confused:

:D

A peavey butcher is already butchered marshalll, not much to lose sleep over.


the LP? get rid of those sh*t vintage tuners.... :lol: :LOL:
 
I probably wouldn't want to mod a vintage Marshall (JMP and older)

but why?

simply because it doesn't sound the same!

Sure you get close with others like Splawn etc., but it's just not the same! I'm sure anyone can attest to that if they've tried an awesomely modded amp..
 
psychodave":2m0hq294 said:
You will hate me then... I have modded or tinkered with my 67 plexi, 71, 72, 74 SL's and my 84 JCM800 (which I sold) and a Mark III green stripe. In the end they are my amps and I use em. I recently ripped apart my 72 SL and turned it into a gain machine. You say "why", I say "why not" :D :rock:


I agree. as someone whos either played or heard most of the above, why not is an awesome argument!! Those amps of yours kinda WROK, Dave !!!! :rock: :rock:
But for something that cant be enhanced by a mod, like the gain mod that was put into my JCM800 50w. that makes it a hiss machine? No good... :no: It cant be modded cause somebodys bored... :lol: :LOL: If youre gonna McGuyver something, it has to IMPROVE something that was missing/lacking, IMO.
 
in the end its just a circuit made to serve a purpose. do whatever the hell you want with them.

it makes the real deal stock machines worth that much more ;)

i do believe that it is better to hack up reissues, or get metroamp/ceriatone kits and do a board swap on a reissue. i used to say hack away on the older marshalls - but its definately something that is based on personal opinion as to whether it is better.

but who am i to say - i have played a real 1974 marshall that was modded with a master volume and damn that was tone for days.
 
psychodave":2tix38tj said:
I did the R2 volume mod. I was also going to add a pentode/triode switch, but sold it before doing it. :thumbsup:

Cool! The triode switch would have been a great addition.
 
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The reason why people modded amps was because there wasn't that much available. You had Marshall, Fender and Mesa in the 80's. That's it. So people created their own sound. Nowadays, you have a whole industry based around amps that are modded Marshalls. In most cases, these built-from-the-ground-up-modded-Marshall-inspired amps sound BETTER than modded Marshalls.

With that in mind, not all mods are created equal. It all depends on what/how much you mod. Alot of mods are nothing more than 2 or 3 value changes and are easily reversed. Some guys take a metal-face Marshall and make it into a '68 or '67 by changing a couple values. That kind of stuff makes perfect sense to me. Old Marshalls had a good deal of inconsistencies between years. My '71 for example, is closer to a late 60's in values than what a '71 or '72 should be. So for me, all I'd have to do to turn my '71 into a '67 or '68 is change the filter caps. So would a 'best of breed' Super Lead really be considered modded? To a whacked out collector who looks for an unmolested all original Plexi? Yes! They'd want the filter caps (which need to be changed out every 10-15 years) to be original.

Everyone knows that early Marshalls were designed to be clean. Because Jim Marshall had no clue what he was doing and basically fucked up the design of the preamp, they distorted when you cranked them. However, when you have a 40 year old amp running at full-bore, you run the risk of blowing something up including your ears. So guys go on a quest to get the amp to sound cranked at non-cranked volumes. Some guys simply add a PPIMV so they don't go deaf. Other guys don't want to mod the amp and go the attenuator route. Both PPIMVs and attenuators have pluses and minuses.

But then there are folks that want a vintage amp to have the gain of a modern amp. Some people take a perfectly good 2203, punch holes in it for FX loops, add extra tubes blah blah blah. That makes no sense to me at all. The amp is no longer a Marshall. It's something else in a Marshall head shell. In most cases, it won't perform as well as a modern high gain amp and no longer have the vintage Marshall qualities. There are of course exceptions, but most of the heavily modded Marshalls I've played were a mess sound-wise. They had WAYYY too much uncontrollable gain. Squealed like stuck pigs. Didn't clean up at all.. etc... These were amps that were modded by FAMOUS dudes too.

So basically to sum up... Marshalls are old amps. They have a particular sound. If you don't like it, get something else. If it's too loud, and you feel like tinkering? There are ways to get it to sound good at low volumes. If you want a LITTLE extra gain, there are very easy ways to do that without ruining the amp. If you want extreme gain with a million voicing switches and line outs and fx loops, I would go with a modern amp. Why take an old amp that has it's own mojo and mess with it when there are so many options available?

That said, I prefer a stock Marshall + pedal. However, sometimes it's just not practical.
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I know a guy with a modded original JTM45. :D
It's been his only amp for ~30 years and he had it modded sometime in the 80's.
 
If an amp sounds great on its own, I don't see a point in modding it. However, most of the older Marshalls that I've had modded (we're talking nothing earlier than a '78 JMP MV,) have already had work done - holes drilled, resistor values changed etc. If you take an amp that has already been modded beyond the point where it will ever again be considered original then I don't see any harm in messing with it or even having Cameron/Fortin/Friedman etc. turn it into a fire-breather.

Tyler
 
eh, I think you can take a good Marshall, keep the best characteristics of it and make it much better. are they just as effective stock with pedals boosting the front end? I think depending on the pedal it can be very good, but not quite the same. I know going in when I have one modded it will be worth less in the end (probably) I'm OK with that, I usually keep stuff forever anyway. To me the truth lies in the fact that when I play, I go to my modded heads first everytime. Can you mod a Marshall so it dosent sound like a Marshall anymore? yeah, and those are the ones you will have to take a beating on when you sell them no matter who did the mod. I have some great stock stuff, and some great pedals to boost them with, and I can tell you there is no way they will sound like my Langner, or Dave's Cameron, or any of Mike's work, but they are very good. I spent years trying other amps that were really good, but in the end I came back. I understand the view of keeping part of history un-molested and pure for whatever reason, but at the same time, I think there is a reason that older Marshalls are the most modded thing out there.............THEY SOUND FANTASTIC :D :D So, in the end, I'm all for those of you who want to keep your Marshalls stock, and I do admire your restraint in some small way, but when I buy it from you in all its pristine glory, it will go straight to the chopping bench for some nitrous injected attitude adjustment :rock: :rock: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: .......................................just sayin ;) ..... Now I gotta get this JMP ready to send to Mike :lol: :LOL:
 
I used to be a regular on the carvin forum. People would bag on those of us who mods amps, then they would buy a carvin bel air, and suddenly the same guy is asking "What mods are good for these?" O lot of guys buy an amp beacause its cheap and they know they can mod it. Some guys buy amps site unseen and then realize, this sucks. In a perfect world we would only buy and amp if it worked perfectly for us. But we wll know, this is not a perfect world. Hindsite is 20/20, we didnt know a simple jcm 800 was goin to be a collectors item. Neither did the guys in the 60's with a mint Deluxe.
 
Here's my take on it. If I own an amp and it doesn't do what I need it to do it's worth nothing to me. I play my amps, I don't sniff them are stare at them on a shelf. In the end if you don't own it, it's really none of your business what the owner chooses to do with his amp.

Mods have been happening for years and will always happen. The JCM800 here is because of mods. Had it not been for people cascading gain stages and adding master volumes to the plexi there would be no 2203 JMP or JCM800. Mesa Boogie, Soldano, and 90% of the amps being sold today came from mods, the other 10% are clones. I personally don't hack up rare amps which by my definition are limited run amps like the Silver Jubilee. I may make minor mods to those amps in voicing or gain, but no holes or major changes that can't be reversed. A JCM800 is not a collectors amp and there was a kazillion made.

Another subject you'll hear people cry about is changing an amp from being original. Many "collectors" look at an amp with replced filter caps as being "bad" and no longer original or worth top dollar. That's like saying I want a girl that never washed her crotch. Neglecting an amps maintenance is suddenly valued in our society. I want that 68 Shelby GT500KR that still has original oil in it. How stupid is that? It's brought on by assholes with money that don't play. They're instruments and they were built for one reason and it wasn't money.

There's a seat for every ass and we all have different opinions about the value of things in this world. If I collect Campbells soup cans and you throw one away does that mean you are destroying rare shit that might be worth a lot of money some day???? I love how people bitch about amps being touched and then slap a set of spinners on their car or pop in a new stereo. It's all about making it your own.
Jerry
 
+1 FJA MOD :rock:


I have a 1969 Marshall Plexi with an master volume on the 4th input and it sounds amazing.

EVH, Lynch, DeMartini tones all day long :rock:

I did this so I wouldn't burn the transformers up with an Hot plate/attenuator.

:yes: Best decision I every made. :thumbsup:
 
yeah, what vlad said!!!!!

I mean, if you want a marshall but then don't want it to sound like a marshall, well don't buy a marshall....a few mods I can understand..PPIMV, etc, etc...maybe a little hot rodding to get it to sound like a best of breed marshall....

I don't understand buying a marshall and modding it to the point where it turns into a mesa mark III...after a while all these modded marshalls start sounding the same to me more or less....
 
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