Mojave Peacemaker on the way...

[Chubtone]

oh no you di-ent...

Oh, you KNOW I di-id! Punter of the greatest rock tone evAR.

 

[daver101]

Clips?

 

[daver101]

Bummer!



Want to buy some recording equipment?!?!?!!

 

[daver101]

Bummer!



Want to buy some recording equipment?!?!?!!

ha ha... nah. Oh, and Jim said we could definitely get together on a Friday night. Name the night. Try to pick a weekend where we're not gigging if you can.

Throw some dates out that you guys are free, and I'll see what I can do!

 

[fuzzyguitars]

Okay, I fired the rig up again this evening and struggled with it a bit. I didn't change a thing, but it sounded brighter tonight and caused some annoying "ear fatigue." I highly doubt it's the amp. I'm guessing my ears are just not easy to please tonight or something.

We'll have to see how this plays out over time! I've learned to never judge an amp by one experience. This happens with every single amp I've owned. I love it one day, hate it the next, then hopefully love it again (and so on...)

do you have a power conditioner or voltage regualtor?

I used to have that problem with my amps, then I got a power regulator and saw that there may be a 10 volt difference depending on the time of day and how many things were on in the line circuit.

got a voltage regulator, now the amp sounds the same day to day!

 

[MrDan666]

Well, I do have a Furman rack-mounted power strip that's called a "power conditioner" (I think.) It has an LED readout on the front that shows the incoming whatever, but I didn't pay much attention to it. Not sure. I think it's my ears or something and not actually the amp, but I don't know that for sure.

For some reason, I'm not able to "gel" with the amp today. How can it sound like heaven one minute, then bright as hell the next? I still think it's my ears. Hmmmmm...

Hey Chris, its not your ears because this happens all the time with me too...

The power conditioner wont do jack for regulating the voltage.. What you need is a Voltage Regulator, because it takes in the wall outlet voltage and outputs a steady 120v. So your gear see's the same voltage all the time. If you get a voltage drop or increase within 10-15v from your outlets in your house or wherever, and dont have a regulator hooked up... its gonna change the tone and feel of the amp!

I played a Hall somewhere before and took my JCM800 2204 to use. That amp had some decent mid gain, and put it this way.. when we plugged it into the wall outlet in that hall.. The amp had NO gain. I mean, it barely even broke up cranked. When we checked the voltage coming from the outlets, it was only putting out something like 220v instead of 240v. Thats what made the amp sound like shit.. nothing else!

 

[lefchr]

I can't tell here at my house if running the amp volume full blast, power dampening all the way up (bypass), and the HotPlate on -12db will be too loud on stage with the band or not. As I said in another post, I usually end up having it louder at home than I do on stage. Simply because I don't have a singer telling me to turn down.

If it is too loud with these settings at a show, I'll scale back the power dampening a little. I've noticed that there's a pretty big volume drop even getting the power dampening down 1/4" of the way (5:00 o'clock is full and I'm talking about bringing it down to 3:00 o'clock.)

Just turn up so you dont hear the singer sing to turn down

 

['63-Strat]

Chris, I finally realized I can't get my amp to sound the way I want using those crappy superstrats so I'm going to start using a real guitar like a LP

...fixed

 

[MrDan666]

Weird! But those things are so damn expensive... I think the LED readout on my Furman thing says 120 and it always does here at home. Is that a good indicator that the voltage or whatever is the same from day to day or not really?

Ya know, im really not sure as i haven't ever had experience with the power conditioners with the LED readout.. mine doesnt have the LED readout anyway. I think Yoeri (Lord Riffenstein) owns the Furman Voltage Regulator and he said it was the best investment he ever made! They make a single rack space version thats cheaper than the massive one they make (which is similar size to a poweramp). Yoeri has the single rack space model i believe!

 

[Zachman]

Hey Chris, its not your ears because this happens all the time with me too...

The power conditioner wont do jack for regulating the voltage.. What you need is a Voltage Regulator, because it takes in the wall outlet voltage and outputs a steady 120v. So your gear see's the same voltage all the time. If you get a voltage drop or increase within 10-15v from your outlets in your house or wherever, and dont have a regulator hooked up... its gonna change the tone and feel of the amp!

I played a Hall somewhere before and took my JCM800 2204 to use. That amp had some decent mid gain, and put it this way.. when we plugged it into the wall outlet in that hall.. The amp had NO gain. I mean, it barely even broke up cranked. When we checked the voltage coming from the outlets, it was only putting out something like 220v instead of 240v. Thats what made the amp sound like shit.. nothing else!

Weird! But those things are so damn expensive... I think the LED readout on my Furman thing says 120 and it always does here at home. Is that a good indicator that the voltage or whatever is the same from day to day or not really?

At different times of the day or evening the power company will be taxed at different rates from the power requirements of people being home, using AC, etc... and will kick on additional power generators for their grids, and will occasionally as happens in California, drop their power output, to conserve energy. NOT cool for guys who use electronic equipment, making Real Voltage regulators and power conditioners a useful addition to their arsenal.

Also, things like weather barometric pressure etc... definitely affect how we perceive tone

 

[Chubtone]

I have the Furman Power Conditioner with the LED readout on the front. My house will normally have 117 volts during the day when all my neighbors are at work and when nothing else is on inside the house. At night when the kids are watching TV and my wife has every light in the house on and the AC going, the voltage readout drops down to just over 100 volts.

About two months ago, I bought a Furman Power Regulator. The night before I got it, I recorded a PM clip that I think had the best tone I've ever gotten out of the Peacemaker. My voltage indicator showed just over 100 when I recorded it. I think it "browned" my sound out. After all, isn't this what Eddie did with his variac? Lowered the voltage to his amp to make it a little gainier, browner and not quite as loud? After I listened back to the PM clip I decided to send the voltage regulator back for a refund.

 

[Capulin Overdrive]

every amp i've had, has been the good day/bad day kind of amps except for the VHT CL i had? that thing allways seemed so consistent from day to day.


guess i blaim it weather more so than power, but who knows?

 

[bmf5150]

I have the Furman Power Conditioner with the LED readout on the front. My house will normally have 117 volts during the day when all my neighbors are at work and when nothing else is on inside the house. At night when the kids are watching TV and my wife has every light in the house on and the AC going, the voltage readout drops down to just over 100 volts.

About two months ago, I bought a Furman Power Regulator. The night before I got it, I recorded a PM clip that I think had the best tone I've ever gotten out of the Peacemaker. My voltage indicator showed just over 100 when I recorded it. I think it "browned" my sound out. After all, isn't this what Eddie did with his variac? Lowered the voltage to his amp to make it a little gainier, browner and not quite as loud? After I listened back to the PM clip I decided to send the voltage regulator back for a refund.

hey chubtone,
whats your favorite clean boost for your peacemaker?something to get you in that VH1 territoy?i would love to try a keeley katana some time.
stan

 

[mkalei]

Maybe a Fulltone Distortion Pro instead of the Crunchbox or Tonebone. Not sure... Any opinions on this?

Yup, I got an opinion. You musy try an LPB 2 or a Duncan PU Booster, or something equivalent, behind a good OD or distortion. When I needed versatility out of that amp, I would run each volume around 3. When you lay into it set like that, it breaks up a little but in a great way. But, it's nice a clean when you lay back. Anyway, I used the OCD for a moderate/heavy OD (all knobs set to 10 o'clock in the HP setting) using the volume knob on the guit-fiddle to adjust the amount of gain. I ran the PU booster BEHIND the OCD and set it pretty high. Sometimes maxed. Since it was behind it, I didn't get much of a volume boost, but I got an incredible gain boost. I mean, Higain. Then I just backed down the volume knob on the guitar if I needed less. It's not the quietest of set ups, but it works!

IMO, if you value the pure, unadulterated quality of that amp, be careful which pedals you place in front of it. Some will not respect those elusive qualities.

And Chris, It is a different beast on stage in the mix of things. You will be surprised....

 

[HMJ]

Yup, I got an opinion. You musy try an LPB 2 or a Duncan PU Booster, or something equivalent, behind a good OD or distortion. When I needed versatility out of that amp, I would run each volume around 3. When you lay into it set like that, it breaks up a little but in a great way. But, it's nice a clean when you lay back. Anyway, I used the OCD for a moderate/heavy OD (all knobs set to 10 o'clock in the HP setting) using the volume knob on the guit-fiddle to adjust the amount of gain. I ran the PU booster BEHIND the OCD and set it pretty high. Sometimes maxed. Since it was behind it, I didn't get much of a volume boost, but I got an incredible gain boost. I mean, Higain. Then I just backed down the volume knob on the guitar if I needed less. It's not the quietest of set ups, but it works!

IMO, if you value the pure, unadulterated quality of that amp, be careful which pedals you place in front of it. Some will not respect those elusive qualities.

And Chris, It is a different beast on stage in the mix of things. You will be surprised....

Thanks Mark. Ya know, I'm also considering the fact that it's my speaker cab... I have two VHT Deliverance 4x12" cabs that sound like heaven with the VHT amps. But now I'm wondering if they may be a little bright for this Peacemaker. Urgh... I'd hate to sell one of them and pick up a Mojave 4x12" only to find out that the amp won't work for me. Know what I'm saying?

I wish I could try a Mojave 4x12" before I bought one... My guess is that it would tame alot of the highs that are hurting my ears right now.

try it through my cab chris it is a hair warmer than the D-CAB!And remember your room could be a touch on the bright side .Isay you bring it over tonight and see

 

[HMJ]

try it through my cab chris it is a hair warmer than the D-CAB!And remember your room could be a touch on the bright side .Isay you bring it over tonight and see

Yeah, I should try that. The D412's were killer with my UL and D60. I mean, it may be that the cab isn't the issue, I dunno. Now I wish I had my Bogner cab to check it out. That cab was muffled on the VHT amps, but I could use some "muffling" right now with the PM. lol...

Can't come over tonight, but maybe sometime this week.

If you find that its your cab you can alwaYs put padding in your cab!

 

[Chubtone]

hey chubtone,
whats your favorite clean boost for your peacemaker?something to get you in that VH1 territoy?i would love to try a keeley katana some time.
stan

That last clip I did that you liked was with no boost. I have had good luck with the OCD, the BB Preamp and an Analogman modded TS-808. The MXR 6-Band and 10-Band sound cool on there too.

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

Is the VHT cab front loaded Chris?
If it is... I think it's definitely worth trying a rear loaded one like an old Marshall or Bogner.

Kw

 

[mkalei]

Is the VHT cab front loaded Chris?
If it is... I think it's definitely worth trying a rear loaded one like an old Marshall or Bogner.

Kw

I agree 100%. I use a Bogner 4x12, and I know that the front loaded VHT cabs sound different. Wanna Trade?

Also, try some drastic tone control settings. Once you get that Treble Volume up around 7, try bringing the treble tone knob down. Hell, I've run it with the treble tone knob all the way off. I've set it on 5, and ran the Hi Mid off. That Low Mid brings in a lot of sizzle when the amp is distorting, so don't think that all the high end will be gone if you turn down the treble and hi mid knobs. For something a little different, try running all knobs on 10, except for Bass on 4, and the Treble Volume off. Great, thick Blues / Rock tone there. Gotta keep experimenting. G12H30's, Bro!

 

[mkalei]

I agree 100%. I use a Bogner 4x12, and I know that the front loaded VHT cabs sound different. Wanna Trade?

Ha ha... I was actually thinking about trying to trade one of my D412's for another Bogner. lol... Seriously. No, I mean it. Seriously.

I added more stuff to that, in case you didn't see it.

As far as the cabs, shipping would kill us, No?