My wife is awesome

[Rogue]

So was Rogue.

You can be assured of one thing..... "But that's different"!!!

 

[Gooseman]

Ejecta: Imagine you were discussing something with someone, perhaps the purchase of variable X. The person you are talking to is me in this hypothetical. I know nothing at all about you, except for a few vague facts and the truth that you want to purchase X. Instead of commenting on X, or anything about X, I choose to instead make a huge judgment about you, based on little facts, then present to you a solution based on such ill-advised facts. You may respond negatively to me, but many people would.

Do I have to solve for x? I wasn't that good at algebra.

No, you don't, nor does it have to be some personal tension between the two of us. You stated clearly that the advice was good. I am commenting on the advice itself. If you disagree and would like to discuss this, please tell me where Rogue's comments were educated and warranted? Otherwise, I too, can have fun being silly!

The guy's own words gave plenty of info that would lead any clear thinking person to say that maybe he should rethink the idea. If you don't see that then I think this conversation is over. Now you can judge Rogues motives or whether the guy asked for advice or not. I think he opened the door with giving out freely his situation and that's fine but I think if "times are tough" for someone... telling them the truth that is sometimes hard to hear whether they asked for it or not IMHO is the right thing to do.

I think you and I are in more agreement that you assume. My problem is when you write the word "truth." As I stated earlier, "truth" would be highly subjective and assumptive. The assumption is that the poster is not handling his finances correctly. If they were being handled correctly, then no advice would be given. Yet the poster never asked specifically for advice, or gave enough pertinent information to constitute such advice. Subsequently, when I read some of the "advice comments" I found them to be rather disparaging at best. I choose to comment on what I actually read, not what I implied. To me, if someone judges you based on little information, they are being rather condescending. It is like when parents tell their kids what they should be, when they don't let them be what they want to be because they don't see that reality as being one that is "good."

Rogue was discriminating against the implication that Willy should save his money, all because the poster vaguely stated that times were tough. Here is news for you - times are always tough. That is the reality of our finances. We always must look at what we value and want, and make the decisions on how to get there. If the poster seeked advice on this, I could see your point. I could also see your point more if Rogue was an economist or accountant. I could state to you what I do for a living, but it is rather inconsequential to these discussions. You have no way of verifying that, nor is it important. We are on equal footing. I like you laughing symbols you post after every point you make. I think you have taken my discussion with you personally. I am sorry for that, sincerely.

 

[Rogue]

There's no assumptions there IMO. Keep in mind I have no restraint myself in GAS, but it's easy for me to advise on other's situation

 

[ejecta]

Ejecta: Imagine you were discussing something with someone, perhaps the purchase of variable X. The person you are talking to is me in this hypothetical. I know nothing at all about you, except for a few vague facts and the truth that you want to purchase X. Instead of commenting on X, or anything about X, I choose to instead make a huge judgment about you, based on little facts, then present to you a solution based on such ill-advised facts. All you wanted to do was share with me the fact that you were going to buy X. I, on the other hand, found this to be the perfect opportunity to suggest what you should and shouldn't be doing with your finances without knowing much about you, let alone having your permission to discuss those details.

The "facts" that were given were "We don't make a lot of money and times is tough lately".

So tell me Gooseman, is it reasonable or not reasonable to buy a $1.5k guitar based on the that information?

$0/$1500=X

X=NGD

Did I get it right?

 

[Gooseman]

So was Rogue.

You can be assured of one thing..... "But that's different"!!!

Aside from the bully like mentality that sometimes happens when people don't want to make room for discussion, and instead opt for quick verbal jabs followed by emoticons, we all do judge everything in our lives. There is a difference in offering up judgment when there isn't enough evidence to make such observations. Did Rogue really think that the poster, who wrote that he was going to buy a new guitar, was going to be elated at the financial consultation that Rogue felt he/she needed to impose? I was judging what actually did happen. A troll like comment that really was uncalled for in my opinion. I could be the minority voice on the matter, or the majority, but what I am stating, empirically, holds value.

 

[ejecta]

I think you have taken my discussion with you personally.

Nahhhh I just disagree with you.

 

[ejecta]

There is a difference in offering up judgment when there isn't enough evidence to make such observations.

Do you know Rogue well enough or have enough evidence to say for certain that Rogue is a "judgmental troll"?

I think not.

 

[bubbastain]

 

[Rogue]

I could also see your point more if Rogue was an economist or accountant.

One doesn't have to be an economist or accountant to know that buying an unnecessary $1.5k item when ""We don't make a lot of money and times is tough lately" is not responsible. That is the thing though, people don't like to be called out on irresponsible decisions and the country could really use a good healthy dose of that by everyone.

I will ask you again, since you ignored it the first time...

Is it reasonable or not reasonable to buy a $1.5k guitar based on the that information?


The OP has since stated that was not his real financial situation, which is great.

 

[Rogue]

If you would have just left that last line out, this thread would have been all good. Honestly, to me Rogues first comment seemed like he was just giving a bit of good advice based on completely on that last line of yours. Maybe just trying to help out another musician not get into any financial pinch where they HAVE TO sell off their gear. Just another way to look at it.

Perhaps I could have phrased it differently. But then the thread would have sunk away. It has potential now to go to two pages, maybe three.

 

[Gooseman]

I think you have taken my discussion with you personally.

Nahhhh I just disagree with you.

If someone posts something that was uncalled for, and passes judgment on people based on very little empirical evidence, then that is my definition of troll. Considering troll is a bit of cyber-slang and not in the lexicon of popular culture yet, I was giving definition to the term. Alas though, you got me there.

In the end, I throw my hands up. I am clearly no match for the infinite wisdom of you and Rogue. While that may come off as sarcastic, it isn't. In all seriousness I concede the merits of the argument and am happy to proclaim Rogue as being correct in his judgment(s). He/she was absolutely correct in giving advice to the poster, as were you to challenge my objections and said judgments.

It has been fun! I wish I had more time to waste time on here, but I don't. I will be back though, and feel free to drop me however many lines you like! Later!

 

[Ola Englund]

wait wait.... Your wife buys you your guitars? So she is YOUR provider... that means she's the man in the house...

I lost my full-time teaching job last June. I was at the school for three years and right at tenure and was non-renewed with no reason given. I've applied for about 7 jobs (every time there's an opening in my field) and haven't got the job yet. I've bought her many things as well: new sewing machine, yarn, etc. Things she's into. There's no such thing as her money or my money, it's our money. I like to run things by her before I spend anything out of respect for her and my marriage.

Thanks for the kick while I'm down though. I appreciate it!

You've always been cool, I have no problem with you. Thanks for the kind words, and you're clips always rock.


You're welcome...

Seriously sad to hear that, I've heard that story so many times last 3 years now... I'm just happy to still have a job...
Hope it works out for you in the future!

You've always been cool, I have no problem with you. Thanks for the kind words, and you're clips always rock.

Thanks dude, I wish my wife even would get the thought of buying me anything music related... She mostly gives me hardware tools even though I can't even assembly a IKEA Billy bookshelf...

 

[Gooseman]

I could also see your point more if Rogue was an economist or accountant.

One doesn't have to be an economist or accountant to know that buying an unnecessary $1.5k item when ""We don't make a lot of money and times is tough lately" is not responsible. That is the thing though, people don't like to be called out on irresponsible decisions and the country could really use a good healthy dose of that by everyone.

I will ask you again, since you ignored it the first time...

Is it reasonable or not reasonable to buy a $1.5k guitar based on the that information?


The OP has since stated that was not his real financial situation, which is great.

Again, the "unnecessary" (per what you stated) is uncalled for and not relevant. You don't know their finances. Most things we buy are UNNECESSARY! Why judge what is unnecessary and determine what they SHOULD be doing with their money. You don't have any information at all about the poor guy (pun not intended). No reason to start making judgments about the poster and inserting what wasn't asked for. Geez, you keep stating what isn't relevant. All the guy said was, I have a cool wife, I'm buying a guitar. Yes, you can give him advice, but when it is uncalled for, is it truly advice? You keep standing on this statement of "necessity." That is totally up to each individual to determine what they deem as necessary. If the poster said, I'm broke, I have creditors at my door, and my wife said I could buy a guitar for X amount of dollars, I wouldn't think you were so self-absorbed because your advice would be educated and relevant!

OMG, I am really leaving now. It is so frustrating. If you want to just "win" an argument, fine then, YOU WIN! Geez. But it isn't based on anything but your own self-interest and stubborness.

 

[Rogue]

If someone posts something that was uncalled for, and passes judgment on people based on very little empirical evidence, then that is my definition of troll.

No, it's not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

Just for clarity.

 

[Gooseman]

If someone posts something that was uncalled for, and passes judgment on people based on very little empirical evidence, then that is my definition of troll.

No, it's not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

Just for clarity.

Rogue, that is funny. First of all, you used Wikipedia to make a determination of what constitutes fact! Did you ever try that in college? I could be wrong about the troll comment, but I wouldn't rely on WIKI to tell me. You are too funny. Now, we finally have something that deserves some ... your FAVORITE ...


I bet you loved that!

 

[Rogue]

Again, the "unnecessary" (per what you stated) is uncalled for and not relevant. You don't know their finances. Most things we buy are UNNECESSARY! Why judge what is unnecessary and determine what they SHOULD be doing with their money. You don't have any information at all about the poor guy (pun not intended). No reason to start making judgments about the poster and inserting what wasn't asked for. Geez, you keep stating what isn't relevant. All the guy said was, I have a cool wife, I'm buying a guitar. Yes, you can give him advice, but when it is uncalled for, is it truly advice? You keep standing on this statement of "necessity." That is totally up to each individual to determine what they deem as necessary. If the poster said, I'm broke, I have creditors at my door, and my wife said I could buy a guitar for X amount of dollars, I wouldn't think you were so self-absorbed because your advice would be educated and relevant!

I didn't make any judgments on the guy. We all have wanters and sometimes they get in the way of better judgment. Been there, done that.

Based on the information he initially provided, it is not a bad idea for someone to point out the obvious, even if it is "mean". As I said, the ugly truth just isn't pretty.

 

[Rogue]

I could be wrong about the troll comment,

Why yes, yes you are.

 

[Rogue]

PS: What I just did was trolling, not offering advice on the guys stated financial situation.

 

[Gooseman]

Oh, he called you out!

 

[Rogue]

Oh, he called you out!

Just so we understand one another...

Taking "We don't make a lot of money and times is tough lately" as the clearly stated financial situation of the original post, would it be wise or unwise to buy a $1.5k (or perhaps $1.8k) guitar?