Brandon Breeze
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acalaf":mhz4qjha said:
Lol, I was thinking along these lines already
Lol, I was thinking along these lines already
xXDaveyJonesXx
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Complete madness. I dig it.
xXDaveyJonesXx
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UberKrankenschtein":1fimdqx0 said:
Better hurry before it eats them in your sleep.
Brandon Breeze
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xXDaveyJonesXx":3fv9u8si said:
Lol I was thinking of keeping one for cleans, which I rarely play, so idk
xXDaveyJonesXx":3fv9u8si said:
Yeah, this one sounds angry!
WizardSouth-JP
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nice score - years ago I sold my Uber on Ebay (to James Lugo...back in 2004). I bought it in 2002 I think...it was the best Uber I've ever heard.
I can only imagine how this one sounds...bro.
I can only imagine how this one sounds...bro.
Brandon Breeze
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UberschallEL34":36mfhf4l said:nice score - years ago I sold my Uber on Ebay (to James Lugo...back in 2004). I bought it in 2002 I think...it was the best Uber I've ever heard.
I can only imagine how this one sounds...bro.
In person thus sounds devastating! Seriously it's volume in comparison to all my other amps is on another level.
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RockyStar
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The confusing part in all of this to me is the fact there are several revisions yet the old ones are believed to be the best. Why would an amp manufacturer revise his creation several times only to make it worse each time? One would think a revision would be an improvement. Amp sounds great in the vid, glad you like it!
Brandon Breeze
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RockyStar":2pi6goce said:
I agree, I actually asked Bogner this myself in my response email. As for bells and whistles the Rev Blue has more like external bias and test points, volume knob for the effects loop some say it can be used like a attenuator to get that full sound at low volume, the volume between the gain and clean channels are not as drastically different.
Sometimes things are done for cost cutting, time saving etc, the blue has much less hand wiring, so it would take less time to make than the original. just some ideas I have, i have no clue what the real reason is. Plus this might only sound better to a certain number of people. In the entire guitarist world theres only a small percentage of us that want the absolute most brutal bone crushing sounds, so that only would appeal to a small number. If they dial it back just a little you can appeal to a lot more guitarists and sell more product.
crwnedblasphemy
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I should come over....and play that beast!
Brandon Breeze
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crwnedblasphemy":3crsyiax said:
Are you in nor cal?
crwnedblasphemy
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Rancho/Folsom....
Brandon Breeze
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crwnedblasphemy":i9zwbwxz said:
I'm by Madison & I-80, have any amps or cabs to bring before I sell all my random stuff off?
jc986
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UberKrankenschtein":ua59mfbb said:
I think part of the draw for the discontinued series is the rarity and the fact that they are harder to find. This tends to happen with a lot of gear once a series has been discontinued. The newer models definitely aren't necessarily worse, just different. I have a Rev Blue and based on what I know about the original series I think I'd prefer the Blue, mainly due to the clean channel improvements. If the volume disparity between channels is worse on the original Ubers, I don't think I'd be able to use it live if I needed to for a clean part. It's borderline to be able to use the clean channel live with the Rev Blue. I'd love to try an original revision sometime, but I don't want to drag 2 amps to a gig. Perhaps if I was in a band that didn't ever use a clean channel it would make more sense.
Congrats on the score though, man. I'm sure it is beastly. If it gets meaner than the Rev Blue that's pretty serious stuff.
Brandon Breeze
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jc986":3neqkf0c said:
Yeah it's a little worse than the blue between the clean channel and od channel, but at the same time the od channel gets louder much quicker than the rev blue, so it is easier to get seriously good sounds out of this Uberschall at really low volumes. I have played my rev blue next to this one for several hours now and the blue just can't do the tone tha this one can, the blue is more subdued, as if it has been tamed.
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hstlaurent
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That DAR cab is meant to be with your Uber. It's like love at first sight in an explosive sort of way. Good scores! You guys get all the good stuff on the west coast.
Chris6870
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Are the tubes mounted to the PCB?
Brandon Breeze
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hstlaurent":2uy4gsrx said:
I agree! It sounds way better in person too, I thought about not posting this vid because it didn't sound nearly as good as in person. That DAR cab really brings out the brutality in any amp. That v30/k100 combo is killer.
We gets all the bad ass cars and womens too
BrokenFusion":2uy4gsrx said:
On the blue, yes, on the original no, the tubes appear to be individually socketed and hand wired from what I can tell, then again I'm no electronics expert.
JPH-214
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Just some more info as I own a few different revisions of Ubers, and have worked on some more. The large blue caps are your filter caps, basically, they work on the power input to make sure that the power (electricity, not volume) is nice and steady and clean for optimal operation. The original and Rev 2 had them mounted on the outside of the chassis, but the blue has them on the inside now, as it is faster to wire them to the board, then hand solder them. So there is no difference really there. You can see them in the pics of the Rev Blue board. About the revisions, yes, some of the revisions deal with bells and whistles, some of them deal with making production time shorter so they can produce more at a lower cost, but the other revisions were due to feedback from users, and Reinhold tweaking the amp to be better all around per his vision. Some of the revisions were due to issues with the volume difference between the two channels, as he designed this to be a gigging amp, and most performers need two channels at some time or another, so he wanted to make the clean channel more present and louder. The clean channel on the Uber gets a bad rap, but for those of us that cut our teeth on old Mesa Dual Recs, this is a GREAT clean channel in comparison to the old DRs! Another big thing was the gain taper on the dirty channel. Some of the originals were more like on or off, so he tweaked that over time to make it more gradual and usable for stage. there is MORE than enough gain there even on the blue. Most users I see have their Gains between 1:00-2:30 anyways, and that's extreme saturation. As far as the tubes being board mounted, the power tubes are board mounted on the blue (again to save production costs and time), but not on the first and rev 2. The preamp tubes have been board mounted from the beginning. You can also see in the first Ubers, he scraped off the values on a lot of the capacitors and such so it would be harder to copy for a novice.
Having played may ubers, and owning a Rev 2 s/n 134, and a blue, I can say that I find the blue more usable for rock to metal, and the rev 2 to be a crushing metal beast. I find that I use the blue for gigging more though as it is more well rounded for multiple styles, and having the more gradual gain taper, and more functional clean channel is huge. I put KT77's in my blue to get it closer to the more scooped sound of the rev2 and original, and I put a Tung-Sol reissue in V1, and nice Ruby 12AX7AC5's in the rest of the spots, and put the higher gain ones in V2 and V3, and I get a remarkably similar tone to the earlier revisions. So, don't count the blue out. Also, you said that the blue was a little muddy, fizzy, and inarticulate. I notices that the presence on your blue is at 9:00, and the treble is at 3:00. The treble (which is more closely a presence control to be honest) on the blue is super fizzy once you pass 2:00, try backing it off to 1:00 or 1:30 and that should tame the fiz. Then, turn the presence control (which is really more like a mid cut control) up to 11:30 or 12:30, and that should help with the articulation. Having the presnce control (or mid cut) so low loses a lot of articulation. The rule of thump with the Uber dirty channel controls is this: Volume = volume (if you use the loop, no higher then 10:30, or else it overloads a lot of pedals, especially MXR), Presence = mid cut (start at noon, and adjust from there), Treble = presence (Reinhold says not too much), Mid = Treble, Bass = Bass, and Gain = run for the hills!
Good luck man, and congrats on the score!
Having played may ubers, and owning a Rev 2 s/n 134, and a blue, I can say that I find the blue more usable for rock to metal, and the rev 2 to be a crushing metal beast. I find that I use the blue for gigging more though as it is more well rounded for multiple styles, and having the more gradual gain taper, and more functional clean channel is huge. I put KT77's in my blue to get it closer to the more scooped sound of the rev2 and original, and I put a Tung-Sol reissue in V1, and nice Ruby 12AX7AC5's in the rest of the spots, and put the higher gain ones in V2 and V3, and I get a remarkably similar tone to the earlier revisions. So, don't count the blue out. Also, you said that the blue was a little muddy, fizzy, and inarticulate. I notices that the presence on your blue is at 9:00, and the treble is at 3:00. The treble (which is more closely a presence control to be honest) on the blue is super fizzy once you pass 2:00, try backing it off to 1:00 or 1:30 and that should tame the fiz. Then, turn the presence control (which is really more like a mid cut control) up to 11:30 or 12:30, and that should help with the articulation. Having the presnce control (or mid cut) so low loses a lot of articulation. The rule of thump with the Uber dirty channel controls is this: Volume = volume (if you use the loop, no higher then 10:30, or else it overloads a lot of pedals, especially MXR), Presence = mid cut (start at noon, and adjust from there), Treble = presence (Reinhold says not too much), Mid = Treble, Bass = Bass, and Gain = run for the hills!
Good luck man, and congrats on the score!
Brandon Breeze
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JPH-214":3l5rm8i5 said:
Thanks for all that info! Much more information than I was able to get from Bogner as you can see.
I have tried many different settings on my Blue, & definitely need to try more, it's a lot harder to dial in than the original that's for sure. With my original i dialed in a satisfying tone in about 5 minutes, the blue takes a lot more time, im guessing this is a result of the slower knob taper vs. The original. I'll play around with it a bit more.
JPH-214
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Cool man! Glad I could help. They're both amazing amps, you can't go wrong with Bogner, they make great stuff. I kinda look at them both as different heads in the end, since they're voiced differently. I did find that the changing the power tubes in the Blue to the KT77's made it more pleasing to me for sure. Enjoy man! Happy tweaking!