NAD: Cameron CCV

[FourT6and2]

not as aggressive as a hg jose Marshall plus it has a Bogner vibe about it too.

Yep, my thoughts exactly. I kinda dig it, though. Because it's different from what I already have.

 

[LP Freak]

not as aggressive as a hg jose Marshall plus it has a Bogner vibe about it too.

Yep, my thoughts exactly. I kinda dig it, though. Because it's different from what I already have.

That's what's important.

 

[steve_k]

There's several FX loops that I have learned to live with and like.....Mike Fortin and Dan Gower's tube loops, Martin Golub's (LASD) and John Suhr's tube FX loop. Parallel tube FX loops are the way to go for no tone scrubbing. The Metro Zero-loss FX loop isn't bad though, for a non-tube FX loop, but be warned....all these first production run CCV's came out of Berrang in 3 different forms:

1) Loop installed but no B+
2) B+ straight off the screen from the last power tube
3) B+ from the PI.

Common to the installation, they were installed upside down due to placement in the chassis and room available. When installed upside down, you don't have easy access to the trim pot on the loop. On the loop there is a send level which adjusts the voltage to the loop. And, of the 3 I played, they were not set properly. Some were all the way off, some were set too low. If you are handy and comfortable in the amp, you can adjust this.

You will need to remove the nuts holding the send/return jacks to the chassis and work the loop board out and lift it to expose the trim tab. Open the trim tab to 75% or so. It works counter-clockwise looking at it. Reinstall and test....or you can fire the amp up with the thing loose and check the volume with the loop off and engaged. Just be careful. You will have 500V on the loop board.

Steve

 

[yngzaklynch]

Congrats and can we get some clipage?

 

[LP Freak]

I'm sure he's still busy flipping switches.

 

[metalmaniac93]

There's several FX loops that I have learned to live with and like.....Mike Fortin and Dan Gower's tube loops, Martin Golub's (LASD) and John Suhr's tube FX loop. Parallel tube FX loops are the way to go for no tone scrubbing. The Metro Zero-loss FX loop isn't bad though, for a non-tube FX loop, but be warned....all these first production run CCV's came out of Berrang in 3 different forms:

1) Loop installed but no B+
2) B+ straight off the screen from the last power tube
3) B+ from the PI.

Common to the installation, they were installed upside down due to placement in the chassis and room available. When installed upside down, you don't have easy access to the trim pot on the loop. On the loop there is a send level which adjusts the voltage to the loop. And, of the 3 I played, they were not set properly. Some were all the way off, some were set too low. If you are handy and comfortable in the amp, you can adjust this.

You will need to remove the nuts holding the send/return jacks to the chassis and work the loop board out and lift it to expose the trim tab. Open the trim tab to 75% or so. It works counter-clockwise looking at it. Reinstall and test....or you can fire the amp up with the thing loose and check the volume with the loop off and engaged. Just be careful. You will have 500V on the loop board.

Steve

I still prefer parallel loops myself especially for delays. Oh well, I guess I will have to live with it!!!!

 

[FourT6and2]

There's several FX loops that I have learned to live with and like.....Mike Fortin and Dan Gower's tube loops, Martin Golub's (LASD) and John Suhr's tube FX loop. Parallel tube FX loops are the way to go for no tone scrubbing. The Metro Zero-loss FX loop isn't bad though, for a non-tube FX loop, but be warned....all these first production run CCV's came out of Berrang in 3 different forms:

1) Loop installed but no B+
2) B+ straight off the screen from the last power tube
3) B+ from the PI.

Common to the installation, they were installed upside down due to placement in the chassis and room available. When installed upside down, you don't have easy access to the trim pot on the loop. On the loop there is a send level which adjusts the voltage to the loop. And, of the 3 I played, they were not set properly. Some were all the way off, some were set too low. If you are handy and comfortable in the amp, you can adjust this.

You will need to remove the nuts holding the send/return jacks to the chassis and work the loop board out and lift it to expose the trim tab. Open the trim tab to 75% or so. It works counter-clockwise looking at it. Reinstall and test....or you can fire the amp up with the thing loose and check the volume with the loop off and engaged. Just be careful. You will have 500V on the loop board.

Steve

Yep, I know all about the Metro loop. Not sure how this one is wired as far as B+ goes, I didn't really check it out when I had the chassis out. But I think Dave adjusted the loop when I sent the amp to him. Because it's not as noisy now as it was before.

Congrats and can we get some clipage?

Soooooon.

I'm sure he's still busy flipping switches.

lol that I am. But I've found two sounds I like.

I still prefer parallel loops myself especially for delays. Oh well, I guess I will have to live with it!!!!

I actually prefer Series loops. Not sure why. I think there's just less to mess with without having to adjust send/return levels and all that. I like to keep things simple. All I use is a Boss DD3 anyway.

 

[steve_k]

The DD3 runs just as well in front of the amp. Don't even mess with a loop if that's all you are running.

 

[rockify]

Sweet Ride!

 

[FourT6and2]

The DD3 runs just as well in front of the amp. Don't even mess with a loop if that's all you are running.

Uhm... no. Delay in front of distortion sounds like ass. The farther downstream you put a delay, the better, to me. If I could, I'd put it between the amp and speakers.

 

[Rayneman]

The DD3 runs just as well in front of the amp. Don't even mess with a loop if that's all you are running.

Uhm... no. Delay in front of distortion sounds like ass. The farther downstream you put a delay, the better, to me. If I could, I'd put it between the amp and speakers.

Yes, running the delay in front of a distorted amp will get into Neil Young territory which is great if that's what you're after, but I suspect not.

On loops, I have constantly had an issue with the loop of my CCV. I don't think its the level trim, as I did the "unity" test described in the Cameron forum and was able to get the same level with the loop in, and out. However, the HUM, the hum is terrible. Through a G Major, Xpression, and a G System its maddening...the tone is good, but the hum and overall goofiness with the levels vs the channel masters and whatnot is annoying at best.

Last night I ran across my old Alesis Midiverb (EDIT: its a NANOverb). Plugged that sucker into the CCV and not a hum to be found and zero issues with mismatched levels and that type of difficulty. Of course, the Alesis is a nearly featureless prehistoric device, but damn does it sound pretty good. WTF is up with that? I'm sure if I compare loop in and out with the Alesis I'll notice something unpleasant (the Alesis sucked tone with my Herbert) but its kinda nice to be able to have a little delay, verb or modulation without the ever-present HUM.

 

[steve_k]

The DD3 runs just as well in front of the amp. Don't even mess with a loop if that's all you are running.

Uhm... no. Delay in front of distortion sounds like ass. The farther downstream you put a delay, the better, to me. If I could, I'd put it between the amp and speakers.

Yes, running the delay in front of a distorted amp will get into Neil Young territory which is great if that's what you're after, but I suspect not.

On loops, I have constantly had an issue with the loop of my CCV. I don't think its the level trim, as I did the "unity" test described in the Cameron forum and was able to get the same level with the loop in, and out. However, the HUM, the hum is terrible. Through a G Major, Xpression, and a G System its maddening...the tone is good, but the hum and overall goofiness with the levels vs the channel masters and whatnot is annoying at best.

Last night I ran across my old Alesis Midiverb. Plugged that sucker into the CCV and not a hum to be found and zero issues with mismatched levels and that type of difficulty. Of course, the Alesis is a nearly featureless prehistoric device, but damn does it sound pretty good. WTF is up with that? I'm sure if I compare loop in and out with the Alesis I'll notice something unpleasant (the Alesis sucked tone with my Herbert) but its kinda nice to be able to have a little delay, verb or modulation without the ever-present HUM.

Rock on then....

 

[FourT6and2]

I haven't tried any pedals in the CCV's loop quite yet. I did, briefly, before I sent the amp to Friedman. And there was a lot of hum and buzz. But right now, with just a patch cable in the loop, there is zero noise. So if there's any hum present when I try it with a pedal, there will be some other issue to work out. Maybe a ground loop or something. I need to pick up a few batteries, though. I lost my wall AC/DC adapter.