NAD: Diezel VH4 (HOLY SH*T)

[1meanplexi]

It doesn't need pedals for rhythm tones...I completely agree with that. I was curious about leads tones as I don't really the channel 4 for lead tones.

I find it interesting what the opinions are on what the 4 needs or does not need. If it is good to your ears? Use it, Od, compressor, what ever fits the bill. I LOVE my KoKo with this beast ! The clean with my LP coil tapped on the neck with a bit of delay and an acoustic simulator is just crazy good.

I always love your clips and drooling over your amp room. I do have to say this is the (and they are all great) clip yet from a tone perspective. Keep em coming!

 

[bognerman]

Are the new VH4's less compressed sounding than the older ones, or are there other changes?

 

[Bato]

Less comp, more high frequencies.

 

[Mailman1971]

AWESOME!!

Hey! If VH4 is Good enough for DeMartini.......well.......

 

[Bato]

LOL the vh4 is a featherweight. Try a Herbert. This thing is really heavy.

 

[supersonic]

I really, really like this amp

Not trying to be an ass but that does not sound good, sounds scratchy and thin!

 

[moronmountain]

Other than an SLO and a VHT UL you seem totally set in the high gain dept.

Slo's are to me like the most killer Marshalls ever! VHT UL's are just the friggin' best IMO. I still want a Herbert, and mabey another Rev. 1 or 2 Uber to go with my UL and Twin Jet, but part of me is thinking I may get a second UL before the others. VHT/Fryette's have this HUGE FRIGGIN BRASS BALLS FROM HELL thing going on, even though they don't make buttloads of distortion, (though they make just enough IMO), that nothing else can touch. My TJ sounds great, and most non-guitar players tend to slightly prefer it over the UL, but when I have a guitar plugged into the UL, nothing can compare.

All my musician friends that have heard and/or played both of my amps have been praising the new TJ, prolly cause it's new, but they all still say the UL sounds like "me." I'm a pretty heavy player, so having someone who knows tone that I respect say this about the UL and me solidifies my love for it! FWIW, the reason many of them tend to prefer playing the TJ is because even though it's fairly dry and clear, it's still wetter than the UL.

Oh, and nice VH4!

 

[Ventura]

Other than an SLO and a VHT UL you seem totally set in the high gain dept.

Slo's are to me like the most killer Marshalls ever! VHT UL's are just the friggin' best IMO. I still want a Herbert, and mabey another Rev. 1 or 2 Uber to go with my UL and Twin Jet, but part of me is thinking I may get a second UL before the others. VHT/Fryette's have this HUGE FRIGGIN BRASS BALLS FROM HELL thing going on, even though they don't make buttloads of distortion, (though they make just enough IMO), that nothing else can touch. My TJ sounds great, and most non-guitar players tend to slightly prefer it over the UL, but when I have a guitar plugged into the UL, nothing can compare.

All my musician friends that have heard and/or played both of my amps have been praising the new TJ, prolly cause it's new, but they all still say the UL sounds like "me." I'm a pretty heavy player, so having someone who knows tone that I respect say this about the UL and me solidifies my love for it! FWIW, the reason many of them tend to prefer playing the TJ is because even though it's fairly dry and clear, it's still wetter than the UL.

Oh, and nice VH4!

No derail here but I gotta agree - I think Fryette oughta get way more press than they do. Awesome amps, awesome company, awesome customer service.

I really, really like this amp

Not trying to be an ass but that does not sound good, sounds scratchy and thin!

That's cool. We all hear different things

Plus, I dialed the bass out on purpose. I will post a clip with more even EQ and it will sound enormous. Plus that was channel 4 which has a different voicing from channel 3,

All I can say is there's nothing that compares to how a VH4 sounds in the room. Nothing. Everytime I open a clip to the VH4, I always wince a bit because - for me - I just wonder how much less it will sound in the clip than in the room. It's been the case with every clip. That said, least you're putting clips out there and that's mega kudos

 

[moronmountain]

Other than an SLO and a VHT UL you seem totally set in the high gain dept.

Slo's are to me like the most killer Marshalls ever! VHT UL's are just the friggin' best IMO. I still want a Herbert, and mabey another Rev. 1 or 2 Uber to go with my UL and Twin Jet, but part of me is thinking I may get a second UL before the others. VHT/Fryette's have this HUGE FRIGGIN BRASS BALLS FROM HELL thing going on, even though they don't make buttloads of distortion, (though they make just enough IMO), that nothing else can touch. My TJ sounds great, and most non-guitar players tend to slightly prefer it over the UL, but when I have a guitar plugged into the UL, nothing can compare.

All my musician friends that have heard and/or played both of my amps have been praising the new TJ, prolly cause it's new, but they all still say the UL sounds like "me." I'm a pretty heavy player, so having someone who knows tone that I respect say this about the UL and me solidifies my love for it! FWIW, the reason many of them tend to prefer playing the TJ is because even though it's fairly dry and clear, it's still wetter than the UL.

Oh, and nice VH4!

No derail here but I gotta agree - I think Fryette oughta get way more press than they do. Awesome amps, awesome company, awesome customer service.

I really, really like this amp

Not trying to be an ass but that does not sound good, sounds scratchy and thin!

That's cool. We all hear different things

Plus, I dialed the bass out on purpose. I will post a clip with more even EQ and it will sound enormous. Plus that was channel 4 which has a different voicing from channel 3,

All I can say is there's nothing that compares to how a VH4 sounds in the room. Nothing. Everytime I open a clip to the VH4, I always wince a bit because - for me - I just wonder how much less it will sound in the clip than in the room. It's been the case with every clip. That said, least you're putting clips out there and that's mega kudos

I agree, and different peeps tune and record an amp differently. I've only played an Einstein in person, and it had the friggin' booya going on big time! I smiled immediately, and have been craving a Diezel ever since. Though I would prolly get the Herbert, just cuz it is designed more for what I do.

 

[moronmountain]

I have about 200 videos at this point and no clip on the internet should ever be considered authoriative. It's really hard to record amps well unless it's your profession.

Heck, most albums now are recorded using plug-ins and stuff to avoid the whole mic'ing thing all together.

I agree. I also believe this......... Everyone is always preaching how you gotta push the tubes to get "the tone" etc., so peeps will use an attenuater or whatever to get a "pushed" power tube thing going on. They then claim to get "cranked tube amp tones at bedroom levels, etc. While I tend to agree that most power tubes sound better pushed, part of the whole turning up the volume thing is in the speakers. If you think about it, guitar speakers are pretty puny compared to say bass or pa speakers. Part of what makes them sound cool is them being pushed as well. They break up a bit, and they physically move more since the cone is being worked harder. To me, the speakers being pushed is every bit as important as the power tubes being pushed. It's at that point that you can start to tell the difference in cabinet construction as well as far as tight compared to loose, etc. SInce both of my amps have KT88's which offer a ton of clean headroom, I tend to think the speakers being worked hard actually adds more of what I like than the tubes being pushed. I mean I still think the 88's sound good pushed, but not to the point that they get a bunch of sag cuz they aren't super musical when they get to that point. Master Volume at about noon is about as much as I ever push my power tubes, and there is a sweet spot around there somewhere as well as far as my tinitus fatigued ears can tell.

Point is, it's pretty friggin hard to record an amp at lower volumes, and still be able to capture it's meat/balls/punch/tightness/wutever, even if the amp is a beast.

 

[supersonic]

I really, really like this amp

Not trying to be an ass but that does not sound good, sounds scratchy and thin!

That's cool. We all hear different things

Plus, I dialed the bass out on purpose. I will post a clip with more even EQ and it will sound enormous. Plus that was channel 4 which has a different voicing from channel 3,

That's great if you dig the tone, just not something I'd go for. Especially if it feels good to play through, that's probably more important than the overall tone.

 

[moronmountain]

Point is, it's pretty friggin hard to record an amp at lower volumes, and still be able to capture it's meat/balls/punch/tightness/wutever, even if the amp is a beast.

The Steve Stevens amp at full blast is beyond epic but realistically how often am I going to be able to do that in ANY setting...very rarely.

Heh I tend to play on the loud side. We have jams at my house since I have my own drum kit, and we get kinda stupid loud sometimes. Most of my musicians friends are all guitarists, so we take turns playing drums and bass, and the volume slowly inches it's way up. It's prolly that we are having a weiner contest I'm sure, trying to outdo each other, but it is what it is. I don't play super loud at gigs though. That's what the PA is for, and I don't like having to use a noise gate to deal with any potential feedback in a small room.

 

[Deleted member 8761]

I have about 200 videos at this point and no clip on the internet should ever be considered authoriative. It's really hard to record amps well unless it's your profession.

Heck, most albums now are recorded using plug-ins and stuff to avoid the whole mic'ing thing all together.

In your case, I think it may be due to mic placement. That clip was blasphemy to my ears. Way too much fizz like your other clips. I guess (or I hope) it sounds very different in the room. The VH4 likes to be cranked.

 

[Ventura]

Point is, it's pretty friggin hard to record an amp at lower volumes, and still be able to capture it's meat/balls/punch/tightness/wutever, even if the amp is a beast.

The Steve Stevens amp at full blast is beyond epic but realistically how often am I going to be able to do that in ANY setting...very rarely.

Enter the TwoNotes lineage of tech. I think it's smart. And you're right, capturing an amp and cab with a mic? Hard to do - the tones we often praise as being over-the-top sick have been recorded, processed, post-produced, augmented and the like to get to where they are. Interestingly enough, it was my "quest" to get all the pieces of the puzzle assembled to get me to that "in the room" feel with my AF2, 2 x Active CLRS, and a swack of IRs. As mentioned, it got me 98% there. But that remaining 2% were what had me cut the AF2 loose. I'm holding onto the 2 x CLRs to use with a TN product when I finally come back and settle in.

 

[Deleted member 8761]

I have about 200 videos at this point and no clip on the internet should ever be considered authoriative. It's really hard to record amps well unless it's your profession.

Heck, most albums now are recorded using plug-ins and stuff to avoid the whole mic'ing thing all together.

In your case, I think it may be due to mic placement. That clip was blasphemy to my ears. Way too much fizz like your other clips. I guess (or I hope) it sounds very different in the room. The VH4 likes to be cranked.

You should do a clip and show us

Listen, I understand that you are happy with your amps. I had the VH4 too. It takes a lot to make a good recording. Many variables to drive you crazy. But this sound was awfull and certainly not how I remember the VH4.

 

[Ventura]

I for one know that Diezels can be fickle beasts to mic and record. But that said, these are clips we're looking at and listening too. It's all about a vicarious taste, a small hint, and anyone knows that a clip doesn't do any amp justice unless you're extremely serious about laying it down right and professional and all.

I liken "clips" to porn. You know. You may not be going deep getting up close and personal to, say, Jenna Jameson, and fillin' er up 6 ways from Sunday...hearing her "in YOUR room"; but it gets the point across well enough to keep ya knowing what ya like or might not like

 

[cardinal]

What's strange is the only recording of a VH4 that I really feel captured the beast is that Tool album with The Pot and Vicarious (10,000 Days?). I know that the album is like 12 amps all blended together, but damn if that doesn't sound just like a ripping VH4 to me.

Other recordings just don't seem to capture how absolutely crushing that amp sounds in the room.

And please: I'm not knocking the OP! The clips sound great, but a VH4 in the room sounds mind blowing IMHO.

 

[Bato]

I have about 200 videos at this point and no clip on the internet should ever be considered authoriative. It's really hard to record amps well unless it's your profession.

Heck, most albums now are recorded using plug-ins and stuff to avoid the whole mic'ing thing all together.

In your case, I think it may be due to mic placement. That clip was blasphemy to my ears. Way too much fizz like your other clips. I guess (or I hope) it sounds very different in the room. The VH4 likes to be cranked.

You should do a clip and show us

Listen, I understand that you are happy with your amps. I had the VH4 too. It takes a lot to make a good recording. Many variables to drive you crazy. But this sound was awfull and certainly not how I remember the VH4.

For this particular sound he dialed the eq in to sound this way. He wanted only to show how versatile this amp is. And IMHO it sounded like his other amps in the older videos. Because Diezel does sound different then any other brand. No one can reach the Diezel sound territory. That's the secret behind the success if the company. But Diezel amps can reach the sound of many other brands. Not all but many.

There is no problem to record a sound you would like.
But who really gives a sh** about recordings? It's fun to listen, but to buy an amp because of YouTube?????? I think there's no need to discuss recordings in this topic. He bought one if the best amps in the world and that's a reason to party!

 

[dannyr]

Some of us enjoy your clips whether they sound good or bad.

Keep them coming!

 

[Bato]

Some of us enjoy your clips whether they sound good or bad.

Keep them coming!

Thanks dude

Quantity over quality