NAD. EVH mini

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My first impression was, "This is cool, but unfortunately I don't think it's for me". It was just too compressed, too over the top, and the clean channel had this high end squawk that I couldn't dial out. Kind of bummed I made some coffee and pondered. Fully caffeinated I opened up the back of the amp and saw that all of the preamp tubes were JJ's. Not being the biggest fan of JJ 12AX7's I yanked out the V1 preamp tube and replaced it with the Tung-Sol, and *bam*. The cleans shimmered but stayed warm, and the lead channel was a million times clearer, less compressed, and infinitely more articulate. It's easily one of my favorite amps that I've ever owned. I'm normally a 100watt guy for the headroom and bottom end, but with the resonance control the low end is still huge, and even at insane volumes the clean channel doesn't break up unless you crank the gain. This thing definitely lives up to the hype.

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I know one of the big questions a lot of people have is if they should ditch their Peavey 5150's/6505's for the EVH. I've had a couple of 6505's, and the EVH and the Peavey are different beasts for sure. I find I like the green channel in crunch mode of the Peavey more than the blue channel of the EVH. As far as clean tones, the EVH is a Fender. Shimmering, full bodied cleans. The lead channels are pretty different. The EVH is a lot more compressed, but with more usable gain. I'm a firm Maxon OD808 user, but honestly at band volumes this amp doesn't need it. That's a double edged sword though. I do wish the amp wasn't as compressed as it is, but on its own it's infinitely tighter and quieter than the Peavey. I'm not in a gigging band at the moment so I sold my Mesa Tremoverb and 6505 and picked this guy up, and for jamming at home it's just what I need. But mind you, it's PLENTY loud. I've had it wide open all day and it just rumbles. The lead channel is sort of a SLO100 and Mesa Mark IV hybrid. Super tight, super articulate, with a big bottom end. It's a cool amp for sure.

So, for guys contemplating whether to ditch they Peavey for the EVH, it depends on what you need. For what its worth, when I wrap up the recording up the project I'm working on now and start playing live, I'll more than likely pick up another 6505 and A/B between the EVH and the Peavey. The Peavey with the Maxon and an EQ in the loop for the main heavy rhythm tones, and the EVH for the clean and lead tones. If I could only have one though, it'd be the EVH.

I'm definitely interested in checking out the 100 watt version of the EVH. I know the mini was revoiced, so maybe the full blown version would address what few issues I have with it. All in all though, it's a KILLER amp for the money.
 
This amplifier on channel 2 with a Maxon OD808 sounds so much better than the Peavey models. I got a mini this week and have in the same room as a 6505 and 5150 II, at practice and band volumes... but the mini eats them alive in all areas. It's simply a better amplifier, and I've been a 5150 fan since I got my very first tube head... a 5150. I've owned Engls, Mesas, and others but always returned to the 5150. I always had problems with it being too harsh, and would search for something new. The 5150 III is the amplifier I've been looking for. I let it guy under the radar for years, basically because it was made by Fender. That was a huge mistake!
 
Hmmnm...I'm interested in trying out the Tung Sol in V1. I LOVE my 5153 Fiddy
 
Congrats.

Surprising that one Preamp Tube can make that much difference- important to remember.
 
Nitrobattery":3giviatd said:
Isn't it amazing when a guitar amplifier manufacturer has no clue what tubes sound best in his creation. It really is a cardinal sin. I mean, all a snot nose needs to do is grab a cup of cheap coffee, ponder what the "bestest" tube is for the amp, chose a inferior tube over an outstanding JJ/Tesla tube for a POS tung-sol, and walla, the amp is alive.

Damn, go figure . . .

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Hard to believe that it went from a disappointment to the one of the greatest amps ever with a switch from JJ to TungSol in one position :confused:
 
EyesOfTheSouth":1o460gja said:
Hard to believe that it went from a disappointment to the one of the greatest amps ever with a switch from JJ to TungSol in one position :confused:

:confused:

Yeah, I'm scratching my head at this thread too. When I first got my EVH 5150 III 100watter in, I immediately started jacking with the tubes. It had all JJs in it. The first thing I did was put a Tung Sol in V1.

It made a slight difference. . . for the worst. It became too tinny sounding and some of the organic warmth of CH2 and Ch3 were gone.

After a couple of days of messing around with every tube, I put all the JJs back in and called it good. They made the right decision going with all JJs on the EVH amps.

I do have to say that everybody likes different sounds. Maybe the Tung Sol made it sound better for him. Maybe his original JJ in V1 was bad.

Regardless, congrats on the NAD. These amps kill!!
 
Got one and I find speakers make a bigger difference with this amp..very speaker sensitive.
 
Sounds like a case of trying to justify an amp that you don't truly like... I have a hard time believe a single preamp tube turned the amp into a completely different amp... I only say this because I own one as well...

In any case, if you really are stoked then HNAD!! I absolutely love mine...
 
King Crimson":3dhordtu said:
Nitrobattery":3dhordtu said:
Isn't it amazing when a guitar amplifier manufacturer has no clue what tubes sound best in his creation. It really is a cardinal sin. I mean, all a snot nose needs to do is grab a cup of cheap coffee, ponder what the "bestest" tube is for the amp, chose a inferior tube over an outstanding JJ/Tesla tube for a POS tung-sol, and walla, the amp is alive.

Damn, go figure . . .

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For my tastes, the JJ was way too hot a tube for the V1 position. I'm a fan of SLO style amps, but don't go for the same types of tones as Eddie. The amp is pretty compressed in general and coupled with a hot 12AX7 in the V1 position it was cool, but just wasn't what I was looking for. The Tung-Sol greatly smoothed out the top end and reduced the gain and compression quite a bit. It still sounds like an EVH, but just more in the direction that I wanted. The sarcasm and insults were cute though.
 
HNAD!

Slight thread hijack to follow:

Now, all of this talk around the EVH 5153 and the 5153 mini is making me really really interested in one. And the fact that mr. Chubtone has complimented the sound of the mini and Jeff Waters has been singing praises on the original 5153 in Facebook for example is really making me want to try one out.

I've just always been a Marshall, EL34 kinda guy. Would a 6L6 amp such as this cut it for me, is there too much/wrong kind (if there is such a thing?!) of gain, can this amp be used as a 2 channel amp (rhythm from blue and lead from red?) are the questions I ask myself.

There's no place near here, within a 200 km radius at least, where I could try one out. For our band's style and sound reference a few clips can be found from my signature.
 
The amp is pretty compressed in general

Define compressed because I've heard many people explain how an amp is compressed yet other claim the same amp is very open and organic.

It's one of those perception things because we all hear things differently and our brain interprets things differently.....
 
I bet if you recorded the amp comparing the preamp tubes, the difference wouldn't even be audible. mind over matter, IMO
 
EyesOfTheSouth":3t1kci84 said:
Hard to believe that it went from a disappointment to the one of the greatest amps ever with a switch from JJ to TungSol in one position :confused:

Not really....the first preamp tube has the most effect on overall tone of the amp. It does make a huge difference in feel and tone.
 
crwnedblasphemy":t0tsvre6 said:
EyesOfTheSouth":t0tsvre6 said:
Hard to believe that it went from a disappointment to the one of the greatest amps ever with a switch from JJ to TungSol in one position :confused:

Not really....the first preamp tube has the most effect on overall tone of the amp. It does make a huge difference in feel and tone.

Exactly. It's not like a tube change will make an AC30 sound like Rectifier, but especially the V1 position will greatly affect the feel/dynamics of the amp.


I also replaced the power tubes with Winged C's and am really digging the amp. It all just depends on your taste and what other gear you're running between your fingers and the amp. Like I said at the very beginning of my first post in this thread, I thought the amp was cool....but just not for me. As in my personal taste. In any amp I've ever owned I haven't been crazy about JJ's....so replacing them with something I did like was an obvious choice.
 
PBGas":poexwcex said:
The amp is pretty compressed in general

Define compressed because I've heard many people explain how an amp is compressed yet other claim the same amp is very open and organic.

It's one of those perception things because we all hear things differently and our brain interprets things differently.....

Agreed. I've been playing forever and still am baffled by players comments on certain amps. Compressed, open, congested. Don't get it really. Sure a Rectifier is more compressed than a Plexi. I get that, but with most of these newer high gain amps we're splitting hairs here.

It either sounds good and works for you or it doesn't. Nitpicking sob's. :D
 
cupcaketwins":3u51gt0m said:
I bet if you recorded the amp comparing the preamp tubes, the difference wouldn't even be audible. mind over matter, IMO

True- But one possibility- is that the Amp shipped with a BAD preamp tube in V1.

On my old Hughes @ Kettner Tubeman Pedal/Preamp putting in a JJ803s instead of the "Groove Tubes" ( could have been anything- Grooove Tubes does/did NOT make Tubes ) WAS a night and day difference- at medium to high gain before was fuzz- after JJ803s is very very clear high gain- much more usable ( though I use an ADA mostly now ).

So a bad preamp tube is a possibility.....then replaced with a good one would be a big difference.
 
EyesOfTheSouth":2azy6hgv said:
Hard to believe that it went from a disappointment to the one of the greatest amps ever with a switch from JJ to TungSol in one position :confused:
yeah if v1 is that importent to the sound I cant hear shit...sick amp tho love mine
 

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