NAD Herbert

[PBGas]

Amazing amp! I had one a few years back! Loved every minute of it except for when I had to bring it to a gig! Weighed more than my 212 at the time...LoL!

Enjoy!

 

[RJF]

So did you get a real Diezel cab or one of those boutique built knock off cabs?

Okay couple of things, mainly towards Savageriffer.

1. Herbert is terrific at low volume. It's better than the VH4 and the Hagen. I've had all 3 of those amps, at the same time, and went through the phase of having a new born at home and stuck playing quiet. Herbert, for me, performed the best at turning the master completely off then slowly turning clockwise and stopping at the first level of volume the amp can produce. That is quiet.

2. Part of the low end balls and clarity of the Herbert is it's power section. I think a 30w version Herbert would leave a lot of us Herbert diehard's unsatisfied. But if the wattage is volume related (obviously), refer too #1.

3. Never played a Dmoll, but supposedly it's Herbert's "little brother" and is "only" 100 watts.

I LOVE the Herbert. It's by far my favorite amp out of everything I have or have had. If the CH2 -/+ was midi accessible, it would be the perfect 4 channel amp.

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

So did you get a real Diezel cab or one of those boutique built knock off cabs?

Okay couple of things, mainly towards Savageriffer.

1. Herbert is terrific at low volume. It's better than the VH4 and the Hagen. I've had all 3 of those amps, at the same time, and went through the phase of having a new born at home and stuck playing quiet. Herbert, for me, performed the best at turning the master completely off then slowly turning clockwise and stopping at the first level of volume the amp can produce. That is quiet.

2. Part of the low end balls and clarity of the Herbert is it's power section. I think a 30w version Herbert would leave a lot of us Herbert diehard's unsatisfied. But if the wattage is volume related (obviously), refer too #1.

3. Never played a Dmoll, but supposedly it's Herbert's "little brother" and is "only" 100 watts.

It's a made in USA cab... built in Los Angeles, CA at BAD. Monster cab though. Sounds crushing. Really nicely built... and its built with the same wood and specs as compared to a new Diezel cab you'd find for sale today in a guitar shop in Munich, Germany. So... no difference. +/-/?

I agree with you on the Herbie low volume assessment. Killer tone... at any volume. The 180-200W power section is a big part of this. Similar design to the Mesa Triple Recto.

I think Peter D. mentions in one of his new videos that with the global master really low, the Herbert is only putting out ~ 3 watts. That's low volume.

 

[sg guy]

-yet another one of the amp's I'd like a second chance with-

 

[SavageRiffer]

So did you get a real Diezel cab or one of those boutique built knock off cabs?

Okay couple of things, mainly towards Savageriffer.

1. Herbert is terrific at low volume. It's better than the VH4 and the Hagen. I've had all 3 of those amps, at the same time, and went through the phase of having a new born at home and stuck playing quiet. Herbert, for me, performed the best at turning the master completely off then slowly turning clockwise and stopping at the first level of volume the amp can produce. That is quiet.

2. Part of the low end balls and clarity of the Herbert is it's power section. I think a 30w version Herbert would leave a lot of us Herbert diehard's unsatisfied. But if the wattage is volume related (obviously), refer too #1.

3. Never played a Dmoll, but supposedly it's Herbert's "little brother" and is "only" 100 watts.

I LOVE the Herbert. It's by far my favorite amp out of everything I have or have had. If the CH2 -/+ was midi accessible, it would be the perfect 4 channel amp.

I had a friend who owned a Herbert and a Hagen, so I was able to play them both side by side several times. Then he sold the Herbert to Guitar Center and kept the Hagen. There was a VH4 on sale at Guitar Center, so when he traded the Herbert in, they sat them together, so I played them both. The Herbert was amazing, but I really felt like it needed to be at least as loud as a TV at Superbowl time. The VH4 got better and better as it was turned up, but it was kind of like the D-Moll at lower volumes. The Hagen seems like it doesn't get enough love, but I've come to appreciate it a lot these days. It has a LOT going for it, and if I had enough time with one, it might become my favorite Diezel. Hard to say because they're all so good.

As for the D-Moll, I think it's a mistake to call it a little brother to anything. It's a 100 watt powerhouse amp and a little brother to nothing. Amazing at low volumes, better than any amp I recall - even better than the Paul. The Paul, though lower wattage, had kind of a more brittle high end at low volumes (well I don't like to use the term "brittle" or "harsh" because the Paul is not like that, but something like that watered down). The Paul sounded best louder than I usually like to play at 1:00AM in my house. Overall, the D-Moll had the best low volume tone. It's just a badass amp that can do anything.

I too love the Herbert, but I don't want a big old amp head with 6 power tubes because I don't gig. I want that sound, but way too much Amp for me. The Paul is only 45w, but it's freaking loud and it's not a small head. It's bigger than my Bogner Shiva and Helios 50. The D-Moll is the same size as the Paul, but I find it to be the best overall for the lowest volumes to the stage. The only reason I want a Paul is that I miss it's the clean channel so badly. No clean channel since has satisfied me.

There are a number of factors, so if the general consensus is that the Herbert with 6 freaking power tubes and 180w is the best at low volumes, then OK, so be it. I just don't really think so based on my experience. I'm not a pro or even a great player, but I don't speak without valid first-hand knowlege on something, so take it with a grain of sale man. Having discussed it, I absolutely love Diezel amps. Peter Diezel knows his shit and puts out superior amps. That's all I have to say.

 

[MetalHeadMike]

Herbert I had sounded just like my two Engls at low volumes...Great!!! But crank any of em up a bit and they go from great to bone crushing and face melting phenomenal

 

[Big Rich]

The Herbert is the king, I love mine.

Ch2+ is where its at for me. I find I can use the mid cut on that channel and get some really intense rhythm tones. Ch2 also sounds better with the mid cut to me than ch3. Ch2 is good at low vol level but Ch3 sounded better at lower volumes. Its a great amp for home use and low volumes. Probably one of the best ive had other than my uberschall.

Running mine with KT77 through one of the newer diezel rear loaded v30 212s. You can tell that the Herbert wants 2 412s though. Ive never played a louder amp that creates a massive wall of tone like the Herbert. Its a complete brootz monster.

 

[RedB4Black]

Congrats on the new amp!

I recently got to play my old Mk2 Herbert I sold to a friend awhile back. It's a great amp, and I miss having one, but I have a love/hate relationship with Diezels. lol

I personally don't think it sounds all that great at low volume (of course I don't think much anything does these days - except my AX8). It's too compressed and choked off...especially compared to how good it sounds when you turn it up.

I once ran 6 6550s in mine. It sounded great. In the end, I think KT77s or a mix of 6550s/el34s was my favorite with the Herbert.

 

[Gsxrbusa]

Congrats man! HNAD!

I had #18 at one point. Great amp. I miss it at times. I ran 4 KT77s and 2 KT88s. Pretty cool combination.

Diezel is still one of my favorite amps ever made. I can always find a great tone in any of them. The Paul is doing the trick for me right now.

Your Paul clips sound bad a$$... I may need to pick on up in the future for a different Diezel flavor.

I've heard the first 25 Herberts sounded a bit different... even tighter and a bit more gain if that is possible (defies the laws of physics). Makes me want to hunt one down.

Thank you brother! I really do like the Paul, as you said it's a different flavor for sure but still Diezel.

I did not know that about the early Herberts!

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

The Herbert is the king, I love mine.

Ch2+ is where its at for me. I find I can use the mid cut on that channel and get some really intense rhythm tones. Ch2 also sounds better with the mid cut to me than ch3. Ch2 is good at low vol level but Ch3 sounded better at lower volumes. Its a great amp for home use and low volumes. Probably one of the best ive had other than my uberschall.

Running mine with KT77 through one of the newer diezel rear loaded v30 212s. You can tell that the Herbert wants 2 412s though. Ive never played a louder amp that creates a massive wall of tone like the Herbert. Its a complete brootz monster.

I agree completely. It is a monster. Not much else comes close. I've got an Uber Blue and a Twin Jet now as well, but the mids and overall voicing are different. Both are heavy sounding amps... but not the massive epic wall of sound like from the Herbert.

I really dug your Herbert video on YouTube (the one with the aquarium in it)... that video really helped push me over the edge. Great tone btw.

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

Congrats on the new amp!

I recently got to play my old Mk2 Herbert I sold to a friend awhile back. It's a great amp, and I miss having one, but I have a love/hate relationship with Diezels. lol

I personally don't think it sounds all that great at low volume (of course I don't think much anything does these days - except my AX8). It's too compressed and choked off...especially compared to how good it sounds when you turn it up.

I once ran 6 6550s in mine. It sounded great. In the end, I think KT77s or a mix of 6550s/el34s was my favorite with the Herbert.

Thanks Matt!

I still want to pickup a Wizard MTL at some point as I keep hearing good things about them.

 

[thiswaythatway]

The Herbert is a super badass amp. I wish Diezel made a 30w or 50w version.

Dude, 180 watts with 6 power tubes... come on boy, not many people need that kind of power. Yeah, funny ha ha. What's so funny about wanting that amp in a more manageable version?

Honestly... and sincerely, the Herbert sounds amazing at TV volume. No attenuator, loadbox, nothing extra needed. I've got the Two Notes Reload and the Herbert sounds just fine on its own. It's one of the best amps for this because of the extra headroom from the 180+ Watt power section. It keeps everything tight at any volume.

Sorry but I have a hard time believing that. I've played the Herbert quite a bit and it needs to be louder than a TV. The VH4 and Hagen both had better tone at lower volumes than the Herbert.

I played around with a Herbert for a few weeks years ago, I thought it was really good at low volumes. It was nearly as usable as a Mesa Mark for low volumes and those mark amps work really well at low volumes as long as your careful with the master volume. There is that smooth Hi-Fi nature of a Diezel that works for some and not for others. I liked the Herbert but I thought the Einstein was a horrible amp.

 

[Mklane]

Yes!! I'm really glad no one bought mine when I was trying to sell it(for too cheap lol!) Love it! I've run 6550 and it slayed with those tubes. Congrats! Wanna hear what you think about the other amp you have on the way when you get it.

 

[311boogieman]

 

[Speeddemon]

As for the D-Moll, I think it's a mistake to call it a little brother to anything. It's a 100 watt powerhouse amp and a little brother to nothing. Amazing at low volumes, better than any amp I recall - even better than the Paul. The Paul, though lower wattage, had kind of a more brittle high end at low volumes (well I don't like to use the term "brittle" or "harsh" because the Paul is not like that, but something like that watered down). The Paul sounded best louder than I usually like to play at 1:00AM in my house. Overall, the D-Moll had the best low volume tone. It's just a badass amp that can do anything.

Well, feature wise it definitely is derived from the Herbert.
I played a Herbert long time ago and remembered liking the super big, but tight grind it had. Ideal for thrashmetal and the like.
I recently ventured out with cash in hand to buy a used D-Moll, but I couldn't bond with its Channel 3. Way too much fuzzy sludge in the lowmids that I couldn't dial out. For Engl players; the sound I'm describing is also present in Channel 4 of the Invader. You can't get that tight on its own.
I did love the D-Moll's clean channel and CH2; the cleans would maybe even rival a Mesa Mark's clean, but alas. I left without a D-Moll, even though the price was a steal.