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DanTravis62 said:
Yeah I have a marshall 2x12 with scumbacks that is definitely "the sound"

It's not really "my" sound though it's too loose
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Sounds like you might consider a switch to 6550's later on if you like tighter more 3-D sounds. Regardless, that's a great amp you got and will give you a lifetime of great tones. A SLP was my only amp for over 20 years. A little tough to dial in at those lower volumes but you can always use the 2x12. I had a Fender piggyback cab for those gigs though it could've used better speakers. Enjoy your new amp Dan. Look forward to hearing you post up some stuff later on perhaps.
 
glpg80 said:
I grabbed so many so I can monitor current, voltage, and temperature of various projects - rather many than one excellent super accurate one. If I accidentally cook one then it’s no big deal just order another.
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You make a good argument for buying some more myself.
 
VonBonfire said:
Sounds like you might consider a switch to 6550's later on if you like tighter more 3-D sounds. Regardless, that's a great amp you got and will give you a lifetime of great tones. A SLP was my only amp for over 20 years. A little tough to dial in at those lower volumes but you can always use the 2x12. I had a Fender piggyback cab for those gigs though it could've used better speakers. Enjoy your new amp Dan. Look forward to hearing you post up some stuff later on perhaps.
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Nah I'm an el34 guy, it's not the tube breakup that's the problem and I don't play at low volumes

It's just the gain character of a super lead is a lot more woody and loose than my preference

It does glorious with that 1965b cab I converted though, especially for punk or something where I don't need a ton of gain it would be amazing
 
DanTravis62 said:
Nah I'm an el34 guy, it's not the tube breakup that's the problem and I don't play at low volumes

It's just the gain character of a super lead is a lot more woody and loose than my preference

It does glorious with that 1965b cab I converted though, especially for punk or something where I don't need a ton of gain it would be amazing
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EL34's are a lot looser than 6550's to my ear. Getting 6550's to break up means 125-130+dB, lol.

I would never describe a Plexi as loose but I am not familiar with higher gain amps like you so I suppose maybe it's a matter of perspective. I think of loose as something tube rectified and low wattage. Like a 15 watt 6v6 Gibson amp. Pure sag and breakup.
 
VonBonfire said:
EL34's are a lot looser than 6550's to my ear. Getting 6550's to break up means 125-130+dB, lol.

I would never describe a Plexi as loose but I am not familiar with higher gain amps like you so I suppose maybe it's a matter of perspective. I think of loose as something tube rectified and low wattage. Like a 15 watt 6v6 Gibson amp. Pure sag and breakup.
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Yeah it's all relative 😅

Its certainly tighter than a blackface or tweed, you are correct - but it's literally a fart machine compared to a 5150 or even an SLO even though a plexi actually has a ton of gain, even comparable to those

ALL vintage amps are loose to me, in the relative sense

They sound like farts when I palm mute and it just doesn't have the response I need unless I'm playing a solo...then it sounds great 🤷

It's just for rhythms it's not ever gonna work for me
 
VonBonfire said:
EL34's are a lot looser than 6550's to my ear. Getting 6550's to break up means 125-130+dB, lol.

I would never describe a Plexi as loose but I am not familiar with higher gain amps like you so I suppose maybe it's a matter of perspective. I think of loose as something tube rectified and low wattage. Like a 15 watt 6v6 Gibson amp. Pure sag and breakup.
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When you’re well above sane levels you’re right that EL34s just can’t keep it together and start to compress but damn if that compression is the most addictive sound for ultra high gain. 6550’s have a big bottle sound but don’t do the same thing. The PT will sag before you stress 6550 tubes. They are rated to handle power levels well beyond a typical 100W transformer ~400VA ratings.
 
VonBonfire said:
EL34's are a lot looser than 6550's to my ear. Getting 6550's to break up means 125-130+dB, lol.

I would never describe a Plexi as loose but I am not familiar with higher gain amps like you so I suppose maybe it's a matter of perspective. I think of loose as something tube rectified and low wattage. Like a 15 watt 6v6 Gibson amp. Pure sag and breakup.
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IME I only find 6550's tighter if you're pushing the power amp hard enough (I'd say actually robust rather than tight really), but for metal and high gain contexts that's often counterproductive for what we want and as long as you don't go there I find EL34's and 6L6GC's to be tighter, sharper/less round in attack and faster responding to me and I've done comparisons in several amps that can take all of those above tubes and many more

I find even in that context of pushing the power amp to it's limits, 6550's or KT88's still feel a bit slower responding to me even if they give in less to power amp sag than EL34's or 6L6GC's, but in metal we don't go there anyway (at least very rarely). I think it's sort of similar to comparing a 15, 12 and 10" speaker. The 15 sounds bigger, more muscular, but also slower responding and looser vs 12's and more so vs 10's
 
Come on Dan I just wanna hear you play VH stuff through this amp at volume. Especially the stunningly well composed, beautiful EVH leads since it's so great for leads after all
 
A lot of people don’t really know this but the 6550 really doesn’t like to be ran as a pentode or triode and much prefers to be ran in ultra linear with a dedicated much lower supply voltage on the screens. I don’t believe anyone in the last 50 years has properly designed a supply around 6550 tubes to fully take advantage of them.
 
braintheory said:
Come on Dan I just wanna hear you play VH stuff through this amp at volume. Especially the stunningly well composed, beautiful EVH leads since it's so great for leads after all
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ah yes, good call sam, I should play some stunningly overrated non-musical bullshit with a 6/8 swing feel because that's the literal only possible definition of "groove" for beginner guitar players
 
DanTravis62 said:
I'm going to hoard the Hunky Dore as my secret weapon for years

And in 5 years when tons of people want it

Tell them fuck you that will be 500$
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I had fun with it ..... both great circuits .....
 
When I made my metro kit ‘69 many moons ago, I got the red headshell for it. It was a beast and I was really proud of how it turned out being my first amp build. It started cutting out after a couple of years and I sent it to a Marshall “guru” as I was told and he replaced the treble pot (I certainly may have shortened it’s life with beginner soldering technique) and re-did some of the grounding scheme (basically running the buss wire through the ground lug of the pots vs. on the back)..and it was never the same.
It just loss this bite, this amazing top end it had and got a little softer and for some reason I decided just to get out of it, rather than go down the rabbit hole of changing the pot out or re-working it to get it back. I mean, I didn’t really know amps per se at the time and had just followed very good instructions to put it together….so I put it on consignment at a local store and figured someone may actually like the way it sounds now and buy it.
I was really bummed about it because it really was one of the best 1959 circuits I had ever heard.
 
skoora said:
When I made my metro kit ‘69 many moons ago, I got the red headshell for it. It was a beast and I was really proud of how it turned out being my first amp build. It started cutting out after a couple of years and I sent it to a Marshall “guru” as I was told and he replaced the treble pot (I certainly may have shortened it’s life with beginner soldering technique) and re-did some of the grounding scheme (basically running the buss wire through the ground lug of the pots vs. on the back)..and it was never the same.
It just loss this bite, this amazing top end it had and got a little softer and for some reason I decided just to get out of it, rather than go down the rabbit hole of changing the pot out or re-working it to get it back. I mean, I didn’t really know amps per se at the time and had just followed very good instructions to put it together….so I put it on consignment at a local store and figured someone may actually like the way it sounds now and buy it.
I was really bummed about it because it really was one of the best 1959 circuits I had ever heard.
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Yeah i'm not worried about ruining the stock sound. IMO a plexi is a plexi, within a range of tolerance. And if I want that sound, which is incredibly popular, I have a million options.

That being said, metro kits do have their own "flavor" that's much closer to the original amps IMO, especially with high quality parts

I am super excited to have matt do his thing because the amp is only partly usable as "stock" to me and i love the low end on his clips
 
DanTravis62 said:
ah yes, good call sam, I should play some stunningly overrated non-musical bullshit with a 6/8 swing feel because that's the literal only possible definition of "groove" for beginner guitar players
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As long as you have some swing and the brown sound in there the note choice really doesn’t matter. Some swinged tapping and whammy licks would also be greatly welcomed
 
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