Need input on what amp to use in a band situation

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34 the splawn and v30 or Greenback which is basically the small and big blocks I think ..you should be fine.
Are you using reverb??? if so turn it off right away or switch to a short delay if you want some air.
Reverb is great in studio but will kill your sound if you are in a bigger room already IMO..

I tend to strongly Disagree that you need and amp that will give more bottom end boost or more highs .Even if you matched him in those freq your band would sound like crap .
The ultimate cut amp other than the splawn that I have ever heard is an SLO .that will kill boogies
 
Try throwing an sd1 or ts9 out front as a clean boost to throw the mids up front and see what happens. Plus one on switching out the crate cab also.
 
I know nothing...... :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:

Break the other guitarists fingers and tell him to fuck off. Then play what you want to play.


Steve
 
Evidently the "Metallica " mod involves the replacement of the OT and some other components on the MK IV to give it more "growl"--running 2xEL34 and 2x6L6.

Another interesting point of data--I started out using my Splawn 2x12 w/Small Blocks & everyone seemed to prefer that cab over the Crate 4x12, so maybe it IS time to swap out the cab... question is, for what? Go back to the Splawn 2x12, or wait to get my new speakers and swap them out in the Crate cab? OR, take a Marshall 1960 (stock, G12T-75's), 425, 1960 w/V30s, or 1960 w/H30's (problem here is the H30 cab is only 80 watts).

Keep 'em coming--I like what I hear so far...
 
steve_k":1n5h1b69 said:
I know nothing...... :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:

Break the other guitarists fingers and tell him to fuck off. Then play what you want to play.


Steve
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Special ops "reasoning and negotiation" techniques coming to the surface here Steve??

Jaaaaayzeus. Happy Sunday to you to Braddah :hys:

V.

PS - I'd still go in with the VH4, or the Splawn (EL34), go large with presence and mids, back off the bass, back off the gain, and see where you sit. 2 heads, 1 cab (damn, can't ever shake that 2 girls, 1 cup thing...) try both out and see what you think, hear what you can...decide from there. My guess is the V will sit the best, it's got a lot of engineering in it specifically for this reason - to sound and sit right in amongst a mess of other sonic output.
 
Are you sure this is an amp question? You've basically got two guitar players trying to occupy the same frequency range. A friend's band is like that and it's pure Mushgarden. I would play through a treble booster and/or use a speaker like a Celestion Classic lead 80. Try to occupy the upper-mids/treble range. Cut through with solos. Lots of percussive attacks.

I really think that is the only way to cut through. It will push your playng style a little if you're not used to it. You can even just do things like revoice chords up the neck and pluck individual strings hard.

But here I go hijacking another thread.
 
srinivassa":1qso52z2 said:
Are you sure this is an amp question? You've basically got two guitar players trying to occupy the same frequency range. A friend's band is like that and it's pure Mushgarden. I would play through a treble booster and/or use a speaker like a Celestion Classic lead 80. Try to occupy the upper-mids/treble range. Cut through with solos. Lots of percussive attacks.

I really think that is the only way to cut through. It will push your playng style a little if you're not used to it. You can even just do things like revoice chords up the neck and pluck individual strings hard.

But here I go hijacking another thread.
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Don't even sweat it--I'm looking for all the input and ideas I can get. SOMETHING has to work eventually, right? In truth, I've NEVER been a fan of V30s. I'm thinking I'll gut that Crate cab, put in 2xSmall Block, 1xBig Block, & 1xG12C and see how that sound combination works. If it still sounds like ass with those great speakers I'll swap out the enclosure.
 
Splawns are great amps for a band situation, i liked the quickrod and the nitro alot when i owned them, my main amp for playing live is the uberschall but the splawns were awsome too, another amp i really liked was the 5153 and my band memebers also loved it.
The herbert has been my least favorite live amp but next time i wanna try it with one of my strats.
 
Try the 5150III. Channel 2 in a band situation is great. It's the main reason why it has been my main gigging amp for 4 years now. I'm in a prog band with a keyboards that's right in the same frequency range as a guitar. The amp sticks out in the mix perfectly. Along with that it has pretty good cleans and can be made MIDI controllable with the amp gizmo. All around one of the best live high gain amps IMO. With what they're going for now on the used market it really can't be beat.
 
OK--new parameters... I've recently acquired the following which I could use to replace the V30s in the cab:

2 x Splawn Small Blocks
1 x Splawn Big Block
1 x Celestion G12C
1 x Celestion G12M
1 x Celestion G12H

I can use any combination.

Thoughts?
 
Two answer response.....

1... I think you might be over thinking it... just sayin, we all have too much gear, and love analyzing shit...(main reason I limit myself to two good amps... makes me play and tweek what I own...)

2) That said, when I was "Adrian" in my Maiden trib I got a great mix from my Pittbull 50 CL vs his MK3. I ran v30's in 2x12's, he had a Marshall 4x12...
his saturated, vs my clean dist...
His broad freq, vs my mid stab....
very Dave/Adrian!

Kinda sounds like the Splawn tweeked to flavor to me

Imo....
 
racerevlon":2kbtibqr said:
OK--new parameters... I've recently acquired the following which I could use to replace the V30s in the cab:

2 x Splawn Small Blocks
1 x Splawn Big Block
1 x Celestion G12C
1 x Celestion G12M
1 x Celestion G12H

I can use any combination.

Thoughts?
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G12H's and big blocks are somewhat in the same boat, small blocks were modeled after G12M's.
 
I have a Mk IV and my band mate has a Marshall and we compliment each other very well.
I have to be careful and dial in plenty of mids while he dials in the higher mids typical of a Marshall.
Based on this, i would say the Splawn with EL-34.
 
Well, as of now we've tried:

Splawn QR
Splawn Nitro (KT88)
Hughes & Kettner Trilogy
Jet City JCA100H
Diezel Herbert (4 x EL34BHT, 2 x 6L6)

QR is still the favorite. Still remaining to try are:

Hughes & Kettner TriAmp MK II
Diezel VH4 (6550)
Marshall Vintage Modern 2266
Could also go back to the old JMP-1 rack if necessary.

Thoughts?
 
I know what u mean as far as how some amps sound awesome when playing alone but then dont cut or come through when used in a twin guitar band situation. As said above, that sometimes cleaning up the gain and eq can help the amp cut through better. Also, I have had some fantastic amps sound like complete shit due to using the wrong cab or speakers with it. Experiment before concluding that the amp isnt for u when in fact in may be due to the cab or speaker choice or eq settings etc. Personally, I think that something in the marshall camp would mix well with the mesa.
 
racerevlon":2id7wbjq said:
srinivassa":2id7wbjq said:
Are you sure this is an amp question? You've basically got two guitar players trying to occupy the same frequency range. A friend's band is like that and it's pure Mushgarden. I would play through a treble booster and/or use a speaker like a Celestion Classic lead 80. Try to occupy the upper-mids/treble range. Cut through with solos. Lots of percussive attacks.

I really think that is the only way to cut through. It will push your playng style a little if you're not used to it. You can even just do things like revoice chords up the neck and pluck individual strings hard.

But here I go hijacking another thread.
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Don't even sweat it--I'm looking for all the input and ideas I can get. SOMETHING has to work eventually, right? In truth, I've NEVER been a fan of V30s. I'm thinking I'll gut that Crate cab, put in 2xSmall Block, 1xBig Block, & 1xG12C and see how that sound combination works. If it still sounds like ass with those great speakers I'll swap out the enclosure.
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V30's are made to cut in high gain situations. That's why guys bitch about the spikey mids. Those spikey mids are what make those speakers cut in a band situation. I'm not saying something else won't sound better, but I'm not sure the speakers are the problem in getting you to cut thru the mix. Who knows though, if the 2x12 Splawn with block speakers sounds better, it may be due to using different speakers than the other guitar player and occupying a slightly different sonic range. I loved my Splawn 4x12's but my Mesa traditional and Bogner Uber cabs both cut through the band mix better in my situation.
 
or that they don't sound SO similar that they're indistinguishable.
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I think many pro bands purposely use identical amps in order to make the sound more cohesive. Playing technique, guitar, pickups, settings, pedals, ect will undoubtedly show differences.

Also, I'm not quite sure what to think of threads like these...once we solve your problem and get your axe to slice right though everybody, will the other guy start a thread wondering how he's now lost in the mix? I think once you get to these high dollar amps, I think the amp is not the issue at hand. Strategic Composition, chord voicings, clean/distorted textures should be a bigger impact. YMMV
 
What about a Cameron modded Marshall HG Jose, Aldrich or the new CCV?
 
pjastper":bi03twqt said:
What about a Cameron modded Marshall HG Jose, Aldrich or the new CCV?
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Could you stick more boutique buzzwords into a single sentence? :lol: :LOL:
 
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