New amp! Too many options!

[Beandust]

I'd go with a handwired friedman of a mesa any day if i had the choice. but, theres still the issue, of the metal...

Friedman JJ

Are they handwired? I thought PCB...same as Mesa..

serious? your joking I'm sure, ?

Haha no I'm not. There was a thread a while back where an accusation(tongue in cheek) about Friedman boards being populated overseas. That would imply that these amps are PCB, like Mesa. Hand populated maybe, but when I read hand wired I define that with point to point. I think Soldano is the one of the few that are actually hand wired PTP amps. I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure Friedman and Mesa amps have PCB in them. And hand populated here in the USA. But not PTP.

Soldano is circuit board construction, Friedman is handwired,with a so called hybrid board instead of a turret board,which is hand wired as advertised,i cant see where this topic is mis leading.go to google type in friedman be100 or any friedman,click images and look 4 your self..

 

[Beandust]

My only point here is that I believe both Friedman and Mesa use the same type of construction techniques between them, and there's no advantage in build quality between the two. Its just a matter of which tone you want.

Ive owned mesas, circuit board as is Soldano,as he advertises,Fridman is handwired in the USA" as advertised.Soldano uses super quality components,a patended transformer and PCB, Mesa builds great amps as well,not handwired..PCB,, where are you getting this info? I want to read it,i love correct data,thanks

 

[megaboogie]

I play JP and AT stuffs on my V, works really well.
The new JP2C will also be great if you dig more aggressive tone.
The BE100 is another favorite of mine, a really cool amp that has a great feel and huge tone, but it's not as versatile as the Marks.

 

[Racerxrated]

My only point here is that I believe both Friedman and Mesa use the same type of construction techniques between them, and there's no advantage in build quality between the two. Its just a matter of which tone you want.

Ive owned mesas, circuit board as is Soldano,as he advertises,Fridman is handwired in the USA" as advertised.Soldano uses super quality components,a patended transformer and PCB, Mesa builds great amps as well,not handwired..PCB,, where are you getting this info? I want to read it,i love correct data,thanks

Again, my only point is someone mentioned hand wired Friedman vs Mesa which implies there's an advantage to one or the other. Friedman also uses boards that are populated here in the US, per a Friedman employee who was calling out a rumour that Friedman boards were populated in China. He admitted to the foot switches being from China, but reiterated that the boards were populated here in the US. Which implies Friedman amps use circuit boards, and are not 100% hand wired as per an earlier suggestion. Its no big deal, everyone uses circuit boards and there's no advantage to one or the other per many builders. But to imply that a Friedman product is better because of the construction is wrong IMO. If you like the tone better, cool. Its almost like because you paid 3500 for an amp it must be better?? Wrong. Its all personal taste.

 

[AndyK]

Andy Timmons uses the Lonestars - find one used!

 

[Beandust]

My only point here is that I believe both Friedman and Mesa use the same type of construction techniques between them, and there's no advantage in build quality between the two. Its just a matter of which tone you want.

Ive owned mesas, circuit board as is Soldano,as he advertises,Fridman is handwired in the USA" as advertised.Soldano uses super quality components,a patended transformer and PCB, Mesa builds great amps as well,not handwired..PCB,, where are you getting this info? I want to read it,i love correct data,thanks

Again, my only point is someone mentioned hand wired Friedman vs Mesa which implies there's an advantage to one or the other. Friedman also uses boards that are populated here in the US, per a Friedman employee who was calling out a rumour that Friedman boards were populated in China. He admitted to the foot switches being from China, but reiterated that the boards were populated here in the US. Which implies Friedman amps use circuit boards, and are not 100% hand wired as per an earlier suggestion. Its no big deal, everyone uses circuit boards and there's no advantage to one or the other per many builders. But to imply that a Friedman product is better because of the construction is wrong IMO. If you like the tone better, cool. Its almost like because you paid 3500 for an amp it must be better?? Wrong. Its all personal taste.

I never implied the word better in any post,i mentioned Friedman amps are not circuit board constructed,and you keep saying they are made in usa which means they are circuit boards? Dont get it bro..i have a 2014 be100 i can send you a pic if u would like to see the insides..its not a circuit board...which is a mesa,and no it wasnt a post to say better or worse, lots of great circuit board amps available,its just the correct information,,,go to the fridman webpage and read" handwired in the usa" im not fabricating this...it sure as hell doesnt say hand built in the usa which would leave room for a circuit board..it says handwired"

 

[Beandust]

My only point here is that I believe both Friedman and Mesa use the same type of construction techniques between them, and there's no advantage in build quality between the two. Its just a matter of which tone you want.

CIFICATIONS
100-Watt all tube head
Three channels
Hand-wired in the USA
4 x EL-34 power tubes
4 x 12AX7 preamp tubes
Master volume and gain controls
Full EQ consisting of bass, middle, treble and presence (BE, HBE channel)
Clean channel featuring volume, treble, bass and 3-way bright switch
SAT, FAT, C45 and Voice switches create a multitude of unique textures
Line out with level control
Ultra transparent series FX loop
4, 8 and 16 ohm Impedance Selector Switch
Custom USA made transformers
2 button footswitch with LED’s included
Limited lifetime warranty
Dimensions: 8.75" (D) x 29.25" (W) x 12.25" (H)
Weight: 43 lbs.
Hand Wired in the USA copied from friedmanamplification.com

 

[Beandust]

CIFICATIONS
100-Watt all tube head
Three channels
Hand-wired in the USA
4 x EL-34 power tubes
4 x 12AX7 preamp tubes
Master volume and gain controls
Full EQ consisting of bass, middle, treble and presence (BE, HBE channel)
Clean channel featuring volume, treble, bass and 3-way bright switch
SAT, FAT, C45 and Voice switches create a multitude of unique textures
Line out with level control
Ultra transparent series FX loop
4, 8 and 16 ohm Impedance Selector Switch
Custom USA made transformers
2 button footswitch with LED’s included
Limited lifetime warranty
Dimensions: 8.75" (D) x 29.25" (W) x 12.25" (H)
Weight: 43 lbs.
Hand Wired in the USA

 

[sjk]

My only point here is that I believe both Friedman and Mesa use the same type of construction techniques between them, and there's no advantage in build quality between the two. Its just a matter of which tone you want.

Ive owned mesas, circuit board as is Soldano,as he advertises,Fridman is handwired in the USA" as advertised.Soldano uses super quality components,a patended transformer and PCB, Mesa builds great amps as well,not handwired..PCB,, where are you getting this info? I want to read it,i love correct data,thanks

Again, my only point is someone mentioned hand wired Friedman vs Mesa which implies there's an advantage to one or the other. Friedman also uses boards that are populated here in the US, per a Friedman employee who was calling out a rumour that Friedman boards were populated in China. He admitted to the foot switches being from China, but reiterated that the boards were populated here in the US. Which implies Friedman amps use circuit boards, and are not 100% hand wired as per an earlier suggestion. Its no big deal, everyone uses circuit boards and there's no advantage to one or the other per many builders. But to imply that a Friedman product is better because of the construction is wrong IMO. If you like the tone better, cool. Its almost like because you paid 3500 for an amp it must be better?? Wrong. Its all personal taste.

I never implied the word better in any post,i mentioned Friedman amps are not circuit board constructed,and you keep saying they are made in usa which means they are circuit boards? Dont get it bro..i have a 2014 be100 i can send you a pic if u would like to see the insides..its not a circuit board...which is a mesa,and no it wasnt a post to say better or worse, lots of great circuit board amps available,its just the correct information,,,go to the fridman webpage and read" handwired in the usa" im not fabricating this...it sure as hell doesnt say hand built in the usa which would leave room for a circuit board..it says handwired"

While you are correct, they used to charge $3500 and built them true point to point style on a actual turret board, I've had one of these earlier BE's since 2012 and it's a fine amp but IMHO when friedman ramped up production and started having them built by contractor with the new faster easier to build circuit boards and less labor spent per amp maybe they could have cut price slightly instead of raising it. It is what it is and people buy them so that's what counts. At the end of the day though if I had to choose one to keep over the many I own (as well as other Friedmans I've had or still have) I'd keep the Suhr PT100SE in a heartbeat...but this stuff is all subjective anyway there is no best.

 

[Racerxrated]

Its OK dude. No worries. I was actually responding to a previous poster anyway. No need to get up in arms. Funny shit when people start defending their amps. And I wasn't ripping. Everyone loves their Friedman's.

 

[Beandust]

Its OK dude. No worries. I was actually responding to a previous poster anyway. No need to get up in arms. Funny shit when people start defending their amps. And I wasn't ripping. Everyone loves their Friedman's.

no,you just post incorrect information then say some lame shit about not riping,I don't care,if just understand people who argue and have no idea what they are saying..Google is free..try it sometime

 

[Racerxrated]

Incorrect? Just because you read the specifications off in a double post? I do believe it was Dave himself who posted here a while ago to say that all his BOARDS are populated/assembled here in the US, as there was a rumour that partial assembly of his amps were done in China. He put that to rest by stating what I just typed. That seems to me to imply that there is a circuit board of some type in his amps? Right? Why don't you take a pic of your Friedman and post gut shots. You just seem to want to argue for the sake of arguing, like some who feel a need to justify spending way too much on something. I've never said anything about Friedman's sounding bad, or are poorly constructed.

 

[Beandust]

Incorrect? Just because you read the specifications off in a double post? I do believe it was Dave himself who posted here a while ago to say that all his BOARDS are populated/assembled here in the US, as there was a rumour that partial assembly of his amps were done in China. He put that to rest by stating what I just typed. That seems to me to imply that there is a circuit board of some type in his amps? Right? Why don't you take a pic of your Friedman and post gut shots. You just seem to want to argue for the sake of arguing, like some who feel a need to justify spending way too much on something. I've never said anything about Friedman's sounding bad, or are poorly constructed.

So your saying they are circuit boards? in total disregard of the photos,the spec sheet on the friedman Web page and all the information on the friedman forum on this exact website? That to me is hard to imagine,I owned a smallbox,that I biasedand sold to buy a be100 and all the information on the amps are incorrect is what you are telling me,and I need to post pictures to prove it to you..hey you take care fellow rigtalker,and may your research serve you well,I can't imagine it had the only smallbox that was handwired and sold it..but I guess your word is what reality is,friedman amps are circuit board construction and all the literature manuals,post and forums are falsely posted..I wish you would go straighten that out with friedmanamplification..or RACKSYSTEMS as its called..usa circuit boards,not Sauder and resistors and caps and transformers ..I guess I was robbed..LMMFAO...WOW...incredible story

 

[Racerxrated]

Incorrect? Just because you read the specifications off in a double post? I do believe it was Dave himself who posted here a while ago to say that all his BOARDS are populated/assembled here in the US, as there was a rumour that partial assembly of his amps were done in China. He put that to rest by stating what I just typed. That seems to me to imply that there is a circuit board of some type in his amps? Right? Why don't you take a pic of your Friedman and post gut shots. You just seem to want to argue for the sake of arguing, like some who feel a need to justify spending way too much on something. I've never said anything about Friedman's sounding bad, or are poorly constructed.

So your saying they are circuit boards? in total disregard of the photos,the spec sheet on the friedman Web page and all the information on the friedman forum on this exact website? That to me is hard to imagine,I owned a smallbox,that I biasedand sold to buy a be100 and all the information on the amps are incorrect is what you are telling me,and I need to post pictures to prove it to you..hey you take care fellow rigtalker,and may your research serve you well,I can't imagine it had the only smallbox that was handwired and sold it..but I guess your word is what reality is,friedman amps are circuit board construction and all the literature manuals,post and forums are falsely posted..I wish you would go straighten that out with friedmanamplification..or RACKSYSTEMS as its called..usa circuit boards,not Sauder and resistors and caps and transformers ..I guess I was robbed..LMMFAO...WOW...incredible story

Dude you're fn crazy. Seriously get back on your meds...for fucks sake! We all know Friedman makes great sounding amps, congrats on your amp. Let's leave it at that. BTW...

http://www.marshallforum.com/showthread.php?t=74861

 

[Beandust]

Incorrect? Just because you read the specifications off in a double post? I do believe it was Dave himself who posted here a while ago to say that all his BOARDS are populated/assembled here in the US, as there was a rumour that partial assembly of his amps were done in China. He put that to rest by stating what I just typed. That seems to me to imply that there is a circuit board of some type in his amps? Right? Why don't you take a pic of your Friedman and post gut shots. You just seem to want to argue for the sake of arguing, like some who feel a need to justify spending way too much on something. I've never said anything about Friedman's sounding bad, or are poorly constructed.

So your saying they are circuit boards? in total disregard of the photos,the spec sheet on the friedman Web page and all the information on the friedman forum on this exact website? That to me is hard to imagine,I owned a smallbox,that I biasedand sold to buy a be100 and all the information on the amps are incorrect is what you are telling me,and I need to post pictures to prove it to you..hey you take care fellow rigtalker,and may your research serve you well,I can't imagine it had the only smallbox that was handwired and sold it..but I guess your word is what reality is,friedman amps are circuit board construction and all the literature manuals,post and forums are falsely posted..I wish you would go straighten that out with friedmanamplification..or RACKSYSTEMS as its called..usa circuit boards,not Sauder and resistors and caps and transformers ..I guess I was robbed..LMMFAO...WOW...incredible story

Dude you're fn crazy. Seriously get back on your meds...for fucks sake! We all know Friedman makes great sounding amps, congrats on your amp. Let's
http://www.marshallforum.com/showthread.php?t=74861

time for the insults,1st off I have not said anything about the quality of the amps they make,but somehow you keep quoting that I reference quality..I have not quoted you as saying they don't make great amps,so half of your post is like nothing I have referred to.I only said and here it is again for theyour are hand wired,you say they are not..can you leave that alone and not make shit up? Maybe you say they have a hybrid board, but no you keep saying they are PCB constructed,so as low life's result to insults I will leave that for you..it's pretty easy to insult someone from a message board,but you knew that right.grow up

 

[Beandust]

Incorrect? Just because you read the specifications off in a double post? I do believe it was Dave himself who posted here a while ago to say that all his BOARDS are populated/assembled here in the US, as there was a rumour that partial assembly of his amps were done in China. He put that to rest by stating what I just typed. That seems to me to imply that there is a circuit board of some type in his amps? Right? Why don't you take a pic of your Friedman and post gut shots. You just seem to want to argue for the sake of arguing, like some who feel a need to justify spending way too much on something. I've never said anything about Friedman's sounding bad, or are poorly constructed.

So your saying they are circuit boards? in total disregard of the photos,the spec sheet on the friedman Web page and all the information on the friedman forum on this exact website? That to me is hard to imagine,I owned a smallbox,that I biasedand sold to buy a be100 and all the information on the amps are incorrect is what you are telling me,and I need to post pictures to prove it to you..hey you take care fellow rigtalker,and may your research serve you well,I can't imagine it had the only smallbox that was handwired and sold it..but I guess your word is what reality is,friedman amps are circuit board construction and all the literature manuals,post and forums are falsely posted..I wish you would go straighten that out with friedmanamplification..or RACKSYSTEMS as its called..usa circuit boards,not Sauder and resistors and caps and transformers ..I guess I was robbed..LMMFAO...WOW...incredible story

Dude you're fn crazy. Seriously get back on your meds...for fucks sake! We all know Friedman makes great sounding amps, congrats on your amp. Let's leave it at that. BTW...

http://www.marshallforum.com/showthread.php?t=74861

Thanks for the thread on the marshall forum,appears the debate is way larger than you and I, hybrid board is what I see and majority of others, it sure doesn't appear to be a fiberglass green PCB,either way it shouldn't be worth insulting someone over,please don't do that again..as I can assure you I can type insults too and we can act like 13 year old kids and go back and forth like idiots,I'd prefer to just disagree..I think it's ok to disagree without malice..or is that asking to much of you? peace rocker!

 

[Racerxrated]

Know what? If you hadn't had a meltdown I'm your previous post, and insulted me previous to that there wouldn't have been any response like that from me. After explaining to you what I was getting at, and what my point was you still proceeded to take it as an insult to your precious BE. Which it wasn't. Everyone, or most at least use pcb. Its no big freaking deal. But saying Friedman products are "better" than Mesa because of how they're built is wrong. And I wasn't even responding to you anyway? But you had to jump in to "defend" your Friedman. You're Charvel Dan pt 2. At least for a time you acted like him. But....my apologies for insulting you. Sincerely.

 

[Beandust]

Know what? If you hadn't had a meltdown I'm your previous post, and insulted me previous to that there wouldn't have been any response like that from me. After explaining to you what I was getting at, and what my point was you still proceeded to take it as an insult to your precious BE. Which it wasn't. Everyone, or most at least use pcb. Its no big freaking deal. But saying Friedman products are "better" than Mesa because of how they're built is wrong. And I wasn't even responding to you anyway? But you had to jump in to "defend" your Friedman. You're Charvel Dan pt 2. At least for a time you acted like him. But....my apologies for insulting you. Sincerely.

Cool man, are you Hilary py2? show me the post where I said or used the words better"

 

[Racerxrated]

Know what? If you hadn't had a meltdown I'm your previous post, and insulted me previous to that there wouldn't have been any response like that from me. After explaining to you what I was getting at, and what my point was you still proceeded to take it as an insult to your precious BE. Which it wasn't. Everyone, or most at least use pcb. Its no big freaking deal. But saying Friedman products are "better" than Mesa because of how they're built is wrong. And I wasn't even responding to you anyway? But you had to jump in to "defend" your Friedman. You're Charvel Dan pt 2. At least for a time you acted like him. But....my apologies for insulting you. Sincerely.

Cool man, are you Hilary py2? show me the post where I said or used the words better"

Reading comprehension a problem for you? I said I wasn't responding to you anyway..then you chimed in with "are you serious?"... Man, so easily butthurt over some perceived threat to your amp haha...just because it has a circuit board its somehow lesser an amp than you thought??

 

[Racerxrated]

I'd go with a handwired friedman of a mesa any day if i had the choice. but, theres still the issue, of the metal...

Friedman JJ

Are they handwired? I thought PCB...same as Mesa..

See sunshine? Here was my post, the one that got you all riled up....unless you are posting as two people lol..