new cameron amps

[ejecta]

How Dare you take a damn dime from anyone before making right on all the owed mod amps... There is No fucking excuse.

I haven't forgotten and never will.

And IMO at this point any person that would give that dirt bag a dime or put an amp on his bench before he made it right with those other guys is just as big of a piece of shit as Mark is.

 

[OUTLAW1969]

why is there hatred against Steve K in a cameron amps thread?if steve wants to get an amp modded from Mark,its his choice.if he just wants to try it out and sees how it sounds,its his choice.if he wants to keep it or sell it,its his choice.

sheesh

+2

Very true

 

[nevusofota]

How Dare you take a damn dime from anyone before making right on all the owed mod amps... There is No fucking excuse.

I haven't forgotten and never will.

And IMO at this point any person that would give that dirt bag a dime or put an amp on his bench before he made it right with those other guys is just as big of a piece of shit as Mark is.

 

[gtrwun]

I see guys with VERY expensive rigs that can't play or write a song to save their lives so.......

Interesting subject that probably deserves it's own thread.

I have nothing to add about the Cameron debacle...but I'm in on a thread about hack playing amp whisperers

I'm in too!

 

[metalmaniac93]

This thread kills! While everyone knows that Mark is one hell of a talented amp builder and guitar player, he has ripped off a bunch of people so that makes him a crook. Plain and simple as that!!!

 

[JackBootedThug]

I have no idea why people are attacking Steve. Mark has been doing mods with Jason managing the process for over a year. Steve is just one of many who have bought one.

When I bought my Modern mod from Jason, I paid AFTER the amp had arrived.

if and when the lawsuit comes down, its quotes like these that just makes my day

+1

Second we said we IT WAS NOT our obligation but we would try to get the $$ from Mark and get those guys the amps MARK took there $$ for NOT US.

This is the part I take exception to. I've read the agreement.

again you don't know wtf your talking about. A had to happen for B to happen (i.e.: A = Mark forfeiting royalties to get blood from the Cameron stone for the guys he ripped off). He had to Do A for us to do B.

He didn't do A and ran away. We are not a fucking Church or a police force.

We wanted to help, we were not able to as the guy who robbed you, robbed us too and fucking fled.

So you want a pound of flesh go find that motherfucker and get it and quit bitching like a chick on the internet.

brad-i now have a man-crush on you.

 

[daver101]

This thread will need a few of these soon....

Oh I'm sure you think so because you'll get on here and brag about how Mark gave you a reach around and how much the amp "kills" and has "tones to die for". It will then be for sale about 30 minutes later in the forum.

Garun-fucking-teed.

DIBS!!!!

 

[daver101]

I wish him well. I think I owned around six MC modded amps, and they were the best amps I ever owned. The first got modded and turned around in like 6 weeks, and the second was reasonable too. I got pissed when I sent one in to get repaired by him and it took over a year and 1/2 to get back. I ended up selling them but now I regret it. Of all the amps I've owned, and there have been a ton (Splawns, Friedmans, and Fortins included), MC's were the best and most inspirational amps I had. I wanted to play them, and when I did, they inspired me to reach out and play better. Hate that all the drama, bad business deals, and missing amps have ruined what could have been a good thing.

at the end of the day i think as far as tone goes even the disgruntled partners will attest that mark's amp designs have magic or they wouldn't have bothered in the first place.

i remember the first time i met mark at the old tone merchants in OC he brought his science project bassman mod with dymo labels and just looked like a car wreck, and frankly for rock tone it defecated on every other $3-4k machine in the room at the time.

we hung out again at an after namm party a few years later and he brought more mods that killed.

zachman's production atomica proto he bought from brad kills--not sure how "genetically pure" a cameron specimen it is but that part of it is just gay.. only homos want to demean those camerons as not REALLY being a cameron and are just punching the clown vigorously, urinating for show, comparing stunted and deformed private parts, and fostering a bizarre fantasy world where things like just because you may hang out with mark cameron, dave friedman or reinhold bogner etc makes you a cooler more informed and hip human being. .....please.....they have all been nice guys to me and are talented amp builders, period.

but if mark tries playing the " my amps are better than those production cameron amps" card i would consider that a juvenile and moronic move.

and to brad's credit, what he described above regarding mark giving up royalties to pay back ampless people was how i remembered it as well. it was never brad/rob debt to be responsible for from the gate and they were just trying to formulate a payback plan with the revamped production model sales.

SO i'd imagine the only way those 14 orphans can be redeemed is if they are able to contact mark directly and mark can generate enough profit from his new venture to be able to pay back the $42k over time

I don't want it to sound like I'm saying that the Friedman, Splawns, and Fortins were junk. Not so. Just the Cameron modded stuff worked for my ears! And I've had many transactions with Brad, and they've all been top notch!

 

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[November5th]

I see guys with VERY expensive rigs that can't play or write a song to save their lives so.......

Interesting subject that probably deserves it's own thread.

I have nothing to add about the Cameron debacle...but I'm in on a thread about hack playing amp whisperers

I'm in too!

I'm in also! But this Cameron thread is so full of intrigue.

 

[mentoneman]

i'm also not opposed to the fact that there maybe being a sound and feel *difference* between production models and his original and current mods.

zach has the proto atomica production model and some cameron modded marshalls and loves the atomica more than the others.

 

[jkdsteve]

I'm not quite sure how enough royalties were ever going to be acquired off the back of a 25 (?) amp production run.....another production run without the re-design could have kept product flowing but maybe the costs exceeded to monies collected?

Did Barrang want more money to produce the amp or poor yields cause production to stop.......?

 

[King Guitar]

I'm not quite sure how enough royalties were ever going to be acquired off the back of a 25 (?) amp production run.....another production run without the re-design could have kept product flowing but maybe the costs exceeded to monies collected?

Did Barrang want more money to produce the amp or poor yields cause production to stop.......?

It was supposed to be a long term plan based on all products not just the CCV. Lots of those where shelved when Mark bailed without finishing them. It was never going to be a quick fix but was the only solution we thought feasible and it only worked as long as mark was generating a royalty to garnish for those amps. That didn't last long at all due to his failure to follow through on his end of the bargain. Couple that with the diminishing return of a call from him daily looking for money and having excuses why things were not done. It was highly frustrating and proved to be highly unreliable. It proved to be all downside and no upside with a bonus of the Cameron curse and the bad will he cultivated for a long time. It was a bad idea to ever try to fix that mess. Lesson learned.

 

[Kelly]

i'm also not opposed to the fact that there maybe being a sound and feel *difference* between production models and his original and current mods.

zach has the proto atomica production model and some cameron modded marshalls and loves the atomica more than the others.

There were 5 Cameron amps at Lugo's ampfest recently. All of them sounded different. Instead of a modding genius, perhaps the guy is just getting high and making random mods, some of them good and some not so good. Anyhoo, the guy's a thief. If he is a standup guy and needs a job, why doesn't Bogner or Fryette take him back?

 

[romanianreaper]

I'm not quite sure how enough royalties were ever going to be acquired off the back of a 25 (?) amp production run.....another production run without the re-design could have kept product flowing but maybe the costs exceeded to monies collected?

Did Barrang want more money to produce the amp or poor yields cause production to stop.......?

It was supposed to be a long term plan based on all products not just the CCV. Lots of those where shelved when Mark bailed without finishing them. It was never going to be a quick fix but was the only solution we thought feasible and it only worked as long as mark was generating a royalty to garnish for those amps. That didn't last long at all due to his failure to follow through on his end of the bargain. Couple that with the diminishing return of a call from him daily looking for money and having excuses why things were not done. It was highly frustrating and proved to be highly unreliable. It proved to be all downside and no upside with a bonus of the Cameron curse and the bad will he cultivated for a long time. It was a bad idea to ever try to fix that mess. Lesson learned.

Brad, you of all people don't even have to defend yourself in this situation. If anything, you gave a bunch of us hope that maybe some of that magic was going to return. I don't think this situation surprised any of us, especially a bunch of us that used to hang out on the Harmony Central forums. I've been following this story for years. Every once in awhile a video or photo of Mark would come up somewhere and everyone would get excited. Then, as usual, everything would plummet to the ground. Just a damn shame though. If the Cameron tone sucked I wouldn't care, but fortunately or unfortunately for us, they sound phenomenal.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Have to side with the Cameron is a crook camp on this one.. he still owes 40+k?? Unbelievable that he just gets to walk out on that obligation because people want his amps like crack whores need well...crack. Maybe he has sorted out the business end of things by now building first before he sells but anyone who looks at his track record knows it won't be long before they are on "back order" (not even put together) after paying full price for the amp. The ego of this guy to know he owes 40k worth of services and amps and for him to think "f-ck it, I'm that good, everyone else will still pay it". He's actually rubbing it in everyone's face. I'd never trust this guy or his ability to come through on anything and I don't need to know him to know what type of person he is. I think the words "scam artist" have already been used to describe him and i think that is probably being kind.

PS- How about another angle to all this.. I thought I read somewhere that he had drug problems as well.. was there any truth to that? That might explain the take the money and run attitude as well. ..

 

[Tone Merchant]

i'm also not opposed to the fact that there maybe being a sound and feel *difference* between production models and his original and current mods.

zach has the proto atomica production model and some cameron modded marshalls and loves the atomica more than the others.

There were 5 Cameron amps at Lugo's ampfest recently. All of them sounded different. Instead of a modding genius, perhaps the guy is just getting high and making random mods, some of them good and some not so good. Anyhoo, the guy's a thief. If he is a standup guy and needs a job, why doesn't Bogner or Fryette take him back?

Bogner fired Mark twice for stealing.

Mark left one of the Bogner XTC chassis he stole from Bogner at RJM when he was designing the original CCV.

 

[LP Freak]

Have to side with the Cameron is a crook camp on this one.. he still owes 40+k?? Unbelievable that he just gets to walk out on that obligation because people want his amps like crack whores need well...crack. Maybe he has sorted out the business end of things by now building first before he sells but anyone who looks at his track record knows it won't be long before they are on "back order" (not even put together) after paying full price for the amp. The ego of this guy to know he owes 40k worth of services and amps and for him to think "f-ck it, I'm that good, everyone else will still pay it". He's actually rubbing it in everyone's face. I'd never trust this guy or his ability to come through on anything and I don't need to know him to know what type of person he is. I think the words "scam artist" have already been used to describe him and i think that is probably being kind.

PS- How about another angle to all this.. I thought I read somewhere that he had drug problems as well.. was there any truth to that? That might explain the take the money and run attitude as well. ..

Not true

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[Tone Merchant]

Have to side with the Cameron is a crook camp on this one.. he still owes 40+k?? Unbelievable that he just gets to walk out on that obligation because people want his amps like crack whores need well...crack. Maybe he has sorted out the business end of things by now building first before he sells but anyone who looks at his track record knows it won't be long before they are on "back order" (not even put together) after paying full price for the amp. The ego of this guy to know he owes 40k worth of services and amps and for him to think "f-ck it, I'm that good, everyone else will still pay it". He's actually rubbing it in everyone's face. I'd never trust this guy or his ability to come through on anything and I don't need to know him to know what type of person he is. I think the words "scam artist" have already been used to describe him and i think that is probably being kind.

PS- How about another angle to all this.. I thought I read somewhere that he had drug problems as well.. was there any truth to that? That might explain the take the money and run attitude as well. ..

I posted this on the Cameron sub forum.

Im a retired police officer with 20 years experience and have been testified dozens of times as an expert in narcotic influence recognition and I am a court certified Drug Recognition Expert. Having worked very close with Mark for about 6 months, I can honestly say I never once saw him under the influence of any type of illegal drug other than marijuana. Mark at no time displayed any objective signs of stimulant or opiate abuse or influence. Now his reliance on red bull is a little troubling, but whatever its not illegal.

 

[King Guitar]

Rob knows his shit