new diezel cabs

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Hi Peter,

I was hoping you could shed some more light on the difference (technically -type of wood, thickness, etc and sounds quality) with the new cabs in Germany compared to and old US ones.

Also on the website it looks as if only the v412F is made in Germany ? Is the v412R also made in Germany ?

Last but not least are they shipping :)

Thanks,
Dave H
 
There will be (or are) 3 different 4x12 cabs made in Dillingen.

1. Vintage 30 Rearloaded
2. Vintage 30 Frontloaded
3. G12K100 Frontloaded

I don't no much about the constuction of the old cabs but I now the new ones are quite different because Peter uses a different method for joining all pieces together. You might want to have look at the following 3 vids:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a96A2p83kL0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvYWSwiY8HE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slL2uD12fpI

What I can tell you from my impressions when I was in Dillingen and from playing my new cab is the the cabs are build like tanks, very stiff construction so they won't suck any frequencies and at the same time extremely light (39kg). As far as I remember Peter uses a kind of 15mm poplar multiply wood instead if the commonly used 18mm birch which is a lot heavier.
All pieces and build with the help of CNC and Peter told me you could stick all pieces together without gluing them and the cab wouldn't fall apart even if you threw it to the floor.
I haven't heard the old cabs myself but I can honestly say that my new Diezel FL is by far the best cab I have ever had and heard. I blows any Engl, Mesa oder Marshall straight away.

I don't now when the new cabs will be shipping. Peter said that the construction is ready for mass production and that he will start building large amount probably quite soon.
 
Thanks,

I have a US V412R with diezel speakers... I like my marshall and a genz benz loaded with v30's better. I am very interested in getting one of the new cabs.

I guess the hard question for me will be rear or front loaded... ? is there a a way to classify which one is better based on a type of playing / music style ?

Dave
 
It's pretty much a matter of taste. I liked the FL a lot better because of the very fast attack and defined sound. For any type of metal I would probably rather go with a FL. The RL (at least to me) was more of a rock and hard rock cab.
 
Just to pitch in: I played both, the old and the new cabs, and the new cabs are just beyond belief compared to the old ones. Better in every aspect.

Peter S. is hard at work right now building the new cabs - I was in contact with him yesterday.
 
did you do a comparison with the G12K100 and the v30's any preference ? and how might you describe ?

In theory I would think that a front loaded might have a larger sweet spot.. ?

Our store here in the Los Angeles only has the old US made v412R... I would love to have a place to test all four cabs - rear / front / v30's / G12k100
 
I did a comparison between a FL V30 and G12K100 and ended up buying a cab with both speakers. The V30 alone sounded to mid heavy and complex chords didn't really sound differentiated. The G12K100 alone is really nice, very defined and tight but was lacking a little warmth for my taste. Both speaker combined sound very big and compliment each other very well. I'm very pleased with the cab.

What do you mean by sweet spot?
 
Now you are making things complicated, both speakers :) I don't think they will ship them that way, are they both 16 ohm speakers ? are they configured in a X or top bottom arrangement.

Sweet spot, more of a tradition music listening term and may not really translate to cabinet talk, but the area and the size of the area where the speaker produces the best desired sound.

Dave
 
The speakers are all 8 Ohms. I have them configured left and right to be able to use only on kind of speaker if desired.
The cabs won't probably shipped that way but if you get the chance to try both a FL V30 and G12K100 you could run them both to get an impression of the sound. If you like it your can change two speaker. Its only 15min work with the FL cabs.

I think I got what you meant with sweet spot but can't really comment on it because I didn't pay attention to it :no:
 
Jaymz82":115zk8nd said:
There will be (or are) 3 different 4x12 cabs made in Dillingen.

1. Vintage 30 Rearloaded
2. Vintage 30 Frontloaded
3. G12K100 Frontloaded

I don't no much about the constuction of the old cabs but I now the new ones are quite different because Peter uses a different method for joining all pieces together. You might want to have look at the following 3 vids:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a96A2p83kL0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvYWSwiY8HE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slL2uD12fpI

What I can tell you from my impressions when I was in Dillingen and from playing my new cab is the the cabs are build like tanks, very stiff construction so they won't suck any frequencies and at the same time extremely light (39kg). As far as I remember Peter uses a kind of 15mm poplar multiply wood instead if the commonly used 18mm birch which is a lot heavier.
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From those vids I see the new cabs have 7 plys of poplar and some African hardwood (cookumomblay or something ?) laminated together. Peters says its a stiffer, faster reacting wood than baltic birch. Hopefully the production cabs will have this too.
 
Jaymz82":256zg5ro said:
I did a comparison between a FL V30 and G12K100 and ended up buying a cab with both speakers. The V30 alone sounded to mid heavy and complex chords didn't really sound differentiated. The G12K100 alone is really nice, very defined and tight but was lacking a little warmth for my taste. Both speaker combined sound very big and compliment each other very well.
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I'm pretty sure I'm going to purchase this cab and was previously into the idea of all G12K100s, but I like the idea of adding a touch of mids to balance out the sound. Would you say the all GK100 cab was a bit scooped by itself (too scooped) ? It sounded a bit that way to me in the Clive youtube videos.

However instead of V30s for added mid content I'd probably use Heritage G1265s as they are my favourite speaker at the moment and they are also primarily midrange dominated. Though I do like V30s I like the particular mid voicing of the 65s better. That should make for a really killer cab (GK100 + 65).

I guess I'd have to buy this cab stock and do the speaker swap later myself.

BTW does the baffle on your new cab angle back a bit ? Lastly, how are the inputs on the back configured (stereo/mono). I'd prefer a single 8 ohm mono jack myself.
 
as i'm not really a specialist concerning speakers and cabs here's my noob-question:

whats the difference between a frontloaded and a rearloaded cab and what does it meen for a cab to be front- or rearloaded?
 
thegame":hqtk4hzn said:
I'm pretty sure I'm going to purchase this cab and was previously into the idea of all G12K100s, but I like the idea of adding a touch of mids to balance out the sound. Would you say the all GK100 cab was a bit scooped by itself (too scooped) ? It sounded a bit that way to me in the Clive youtube videos.

However instead of V30s for added mid content I'd probably use Heritage G1265s as they are my favourite speaker at the moment and they are also primarily midrange dominated. Though I do like V30s I like the particular mid voicing of the 65s better. That should make for a really killer cab (GK100 + 65).

I guess I'd have to buy this cab stock and do the speaker swap later myself.

BTW does the baffle on your new cab angle back a bit ? Lastly, how are the inputs on the back configured (stereo/mono). I'd prefer a single 8 ohm mono jack myself.
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I wouldn't say that the G12K100 has a scooped sound. I sounds quite neutral and linear and not so mid heavy most guitar speakers do. There's a speaker comparison thread in the board where you can hear samples of both, V30 and G12K100.
Here you go: http://www.kool-elfring.com/Pages/Engli ... 3-eng.html

The baffle is not angled in any way. There are two inputs. If you use the left you've got 8 Ohm mono, if you use both you've got 16 Ohm per side stereo.

mdc":hqtk4hzn said:
as i'm not really a specialist concerning speakers and cabs here's my noob-question:
whats the difference between a frontloaded and a rearloaded cab and what does it meen for a cab to be front- or rearloaded?
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It means mounting the speakers from the front to the baffle or from the back. Mounting them from the front results in a very fast attack. It's hard to describe the difference in sound. You would have to hear it yourself. The RL feels somewhat more loose imo.
 
I'd like to add that the G12K100 is by far the fastest responding and tightest speaker I have ever heard. Even when Peter cranked the VH4 to almost 3/4 it stayed tight and focused. Never experienced this with any other speaker.
In addition it is quite easy to mic contrary to the V30 where 1mm of moving the mic can cause dramatic changes in sound.
Our FOH engineer just told me that I never had such a great sound before.
 
hey dhare ,
i have the first of the new 2x12R's and its just astonishing .
2 weeks ago diezel UK and i tested it against two "old" style 4x12's ( one front loaded / one rear loaded ) with my einstein and VH4 heads at volume in a studio for 2 hours .
we all agreed that my 2x12 blew the 4x12's away - it sounds bigger , heavier and tighter .
the black grille makes a difference aswell - as peter stapfer told me when he was building mine , it sounds "3-D" .
get one . :thumbsup:
 
slate":3hvjbz3s said:
the black grille makes a difference aswell - as peter stapfer told me when he was building mine , it sounds "3-D" .
get one . :thumbsup:
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Peter actually showed me the "grill effect". The salt & pepper grill noticeably cuts high mids and high. It's almost like putting a thin blanket over the speakers.
 
Jaymz82":1i8m3zyv said:
[I wouldn't say that the G12K100 has a scooped sound. I sounds quite neutral and linear and not so mid heavy most guitar speakers do. There's a speaker comparison thread in the board where you can hear samples of both, V30 and G12K100.
Here you go: http://www.kool-elfring.com/Pages/Engli ... 3-eng.html

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I know; I posted that :D
I guess I meant if the cab itself imparted a scooped character.
 
thegame":1mn2am7r said:
I know; I posted that :D
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:doh: :D


thegame":1mn2am7r said:
I guess I meant if the cab itself imparted a scooped character.
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No, didn't notice that. It is build so stiff that it transports the original speaker sound very well. I also built myself a 1x12" cab with a G12K100 for playing at home which doesn't have any kind of scooped character either.
 
the new cabs are just beyond belief
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I understand but....seriously, it's almost that you are implying that the old cabs were poor sounding which is "beyond belief" if you ask me. I've tried a US 4x12 and it pretty much sounded much better than anything I've heard. My 2x12FL is amazing compared to the others I've tried.

I think in the end with it cranked....the cab is dependent more upon the speaker quality then anything else.

Can the audience really tell the difference? I think the old cabs are just fine as well. Mix a different pair of speakers with it and it seems to be even better. The one I tried had 2xEminence and 2xV-30s. It was great!
 
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