New DSLs

[Spaceboy]

I can't believe people still believe the "American built is better" crap. Sure, but I wonder where all the machines and tools used to make those American products came from... something built in Vietnam does not mean its crap, and Vietnam is NOT even close to being a third world country.

Anyways... I would give the 15w a shot, if the price isn't stupid.

 

[neilrocks25]

Why do we assume workers making electronics in Asia are paid slave labor wages?
That's just plain ignorance.
They may not be getting paid $45/hr attaching bolts and turning wrenches on an car assembly line like in the US, but the Asian workers still make a satisfying and proud living.

I once watched a show about a manufacturing facility in China that made toasters, hair dryers etc. along with other simple and complex electronics right across the board. Thousands of items, with millions of part inventories.

That goddam facility was the size of a city. Literally.
It had malls, condos, parks, roadways etc.
All inside the facility. Nevermind the production floor space.
People there loved their job.
Frankly, their pride, attention to detail and organization is something that other nations need to take a long hard look at.

You are speaking of Foxcomm.

It is a city where you live, sleep, eat, kids go to school, play sports.....................and work. Beringer city is very simular. You never have to leave these places and per dozens of professionals they make an I-Phone for $10 in labor. Suicide rates brought Foxcomm to america's attention due to Apple love but in the end do americans really care how they got their I-Phone? No.

You NEVER leave.

I work for the fucking devil and I am sorry.

That's in china not Vietnam. Some Asian countries are really up and comming and not as poorly treated as you would think.
Vox hand wired amps are made in Vietnam for example.

 

[Heritage Softail]

Built in America means someone here has a job.

It means dollars are recirculated many many times.

It is critical to our lifestyle.

Now of course we want things made well. But, if we want a standard of living that is paid for by higher wages, we also need to expect to pay more for products made by other higher paid American workers.

 

[neilrocks25]

Why do we assume workers making electronics in Asia are paid slave labor wages?
That's just plain ignorance.
They may not be getting paid $45/hr attaching bolts and turning wrenches on an car assembly line like in the US, but the Asian workers still make a satisfying and proud living.

I once watched a show about a manufacturing facility in China that made toasters, hair dryers etc. along with other simple and complex electronics right across the board. Thousands of items, with millions of part inventories.

That goddam facility was the size of a city. Literally.
It had malls, condos, parks, roadways etc.
All inside the facility. Nevermind the production floor space.
People there loved their job.
Frankly, their pride, attention to detail and organization is something that other nations need to take a long hard look at.

You are speaking of Foxcomm.

It is a city where you live, sleep, eat, kids go to school, play sports.....................and work. Beringer city is very simular. You never have to leave these places and per dozens of professionals they make an I-Phone for $10 in labor. Suicide rates brought Foxcomm to america's attention due to Apple love but in the end do americans really care how they got their I-Phone? No.

You NEVER leave.

I work for the fucking devil and I am sorry.

I lived in Korea for a year and used to have meetings at Samsung headquarters and one of their production facilities. It had 75,000 people working there and was a city all in itself.

Oh, and the suicide rate was higher than Foxcomm's in China by a wide margin.

Everybody blames Apple, but I've lived in Taiwan, Seoul, Tokyo, and Hong Kong and its the same everywhere.

Whats the same?

Please explain? The culture is different for sure. But Tokyo for example the way people live and expendable income is higher than the UK.

I am not sure what you meant.

 

[steve_k]

Built in America means someone here has a job.

It means dollars are recirculated many many times.

It is critical to our lifestyle.

Now of course we want things made well. But, if we want a standard of living that is paid for by higher wages, we also need to expect to pay more for products made by other higher paid American workers.

Very true. And, good point.

 

[blackba]

Its amazing that when a new amp is launched that built in Asia or Mexico that is the talk for the first few months. Then there seems to be a shift to talking about the sound and features down the line. I saw this happen with the EVH 5150 III 50W and 100W, which now I rarely see complaints over where it is built.

I wish the new DSLs were built in the UK as well, but they aren't so lets move on and talk about some features or clips (are there any clips yet?)

 

[Spaceboy]

Built in America means someone here has a job.

It means dollars are recirculated many many times.

It is critical to our lifestyle.

Now of course we want things made well. But, if we want a standard of living that is paid for by higher wages, we also need to expect to pay more for products made by other higher paid American workers.

That's not the argument (although it's more like a complaint) usually made. The argument is that all things that aren't from America are garbage, and that's a silly assumption. Each of our homes is filled to the brim with Asian made products or Japanese and German engineering... almost all American factories and plants including everyday processes we take for granted, like water treatment, are operated by German technology. I can understand YOUR point entirely, but the posters that are always talking about how foreign built products are inferior are being ridiculous.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

The argument is that all things that aren't from America are garbage, and that's a silly assumption.

I agree.

I just don't think most companies who decided to make tube guitar amplifiers overseas did so based on the premise "Hey let's make our amps higher quality by building them over there with better iron and components". They did so to cut costs and flood the low end (and now the middle) of the market with cheap amps.

Now if overseas amp offerings had started out on the high end of the market the perception might be different today.

 

[IceMan]

It's cool Marshall is bring back the DSL line - I've always said they are WAY underrated amps. I love mine. But keep in mind, if you own an original British-made DSL, the value on those will probably go up as the used marked eventually gets flooded with the newer line. I have half-a-mind to snag a few originals on E-Bay and let them sit for a few years. Most of the people who owned original Plexi's and JTM45's back in the '60's and '70's sold them off not thinking of what they would be worth in the future.......food for thought.

 

[Heritage Softail]

Not a bad idea. I buy gear that is way cheap to sell or try out. Bought a 76 Deluxe SG for 200 cash on the spot from a guy that needed money not to go to jail. It was all I had on me