New Friedman model!!

[xzacx]

That actually sounds pretty awesome. Plexi and more modern-ish in one amp.

I'll ask Rig-Talk. This amp sounds glorious, I've personally always wanted a plexi and an Ultra Modern Flamethrower in a single amp.

I've never played a BE-100 and all I have is YouTube. I know the BE can do metal but it never seemed ultra modern, firebreather shit flames type of thing. Am I wrong? Please say yes.

There may be people that disagree, but I don't love the BE for heavier stuff—I don't think it's all that tight. I'm sure you could boost it/put a 10-band in the loop/etc. and get close enough, but I think there are better options for that particular job. (I even like the Small Box better for more modern metal.) Great amp for a lot of things, but that's not a strong suit IME.

 

[Racerxrated]

The voicing switch for the top end...that's what I'm curious about. The BE always had a more subdued top end compared to amps like Marshalls. Is there a position on the switch that allows the top end to be more in line with amps like that?

I’m not sure which versions of the BE you’ve played, but I always felt that way about the 2013 I had. Too smooth and subdued. I have heard the BE went through some revisions and from mid-2016 forward, they can be set to be more open, less compressed, and with more Marshall bite. I’ve never gotten a chance to try a newer one though.

Also, the clips I’ve heard of the BE-50 Deluxe sound better to me than the old BE I had. I’m excited to see what the new 100 is all about.

My feelings as well, with the earlier ones. I had one from 14 that was too smooth and I couldn't get it bright enough. Had an older PTP metro wired version that was modded to have a switch to really open it up like a Marshall, that was a very cool amp. I did try a 16 at a GC and it was also much brighter. I'm sure the new ones are also bright enough if you want.

 

[Jon BCN]

That actually sounds pretty awesome. Plexi and more modern-ish in one amp.

I'll ask Rig-Talk. This amp sounds glorious, I've personally always wanted a plexi and an Ultra Modern Flamethrower in a single amp.

I've never played a BE-100 and all I have is YouTube. I know the BE can do metal but it never seemed ultra modern, firebreather shit flames type of thing. Am I wrong? Please say yes.

There may be people that disagree, but I don't love the BE for heavier stuff—I don't think it's all that tight. I'm sure you could boost it/put a 10-band in the loop/etc. and get close enough, but I think there are better options for that particular job. (I even like the Small Box better for more modern metal.) Great amp for a lot of things, but that's not a strong suit IME.

I completely agree.

But if this new BE can get into JJ/Butterslax territory with the frequency switch, then problem solved.

 

[Zado]

The voicing switch for the top end...that's what I'm curious about. The BE always had a more subdued top end compared to amps like Marshalls. Is there a position on the switch that allows the top end to be more in line with amps like that?

I’m not sure which versions of the BE you’ve played, but I always felt that way about the 2013 I had. Too smooth and subdued. I have heard the BE went through some revisions and from mid-2016 forward, they can be set to be more open, less compressed, and with more Marshall bite. I’ve never gotten a chance to try a newer one though.

Also, the clips I’ve heard of the BE-50 Deluxe sound better to me than the old BE I had. I’m excited to see what the new 100 is all about.

I belive not much has changed, l've played a BE100 4 months ago and the feeling was definitely the same. It's not that it doesnt sound good, just a lil...mmm processed? Not raw or aggro as you'd expect from a 'shall.

 

[NewWorldMan]

The voicing switch for the top end...that's what I'm curious about. The BE always had a more subdued top end compared to amps like Marshalls. Is there a position on the switch that allows the top end to be more in line with amps like that?

I’m not sure which versions of the BE you’ve played, but I always felt that way about the 2013 I had. Too smooth and subdued. I have heard the BE went through some revisions and from mid-2016 forward, they can be set to be more open, less compressed, and with more Marshall bite. I’ve never gotten a chance to try a newer one though.

Also, the clips I’ve heard of the BE-50 Deluxe sound better to me than the old BE I had. I’m excited to see what the new 100 is all about.

My feelings as well, with the earlier ones. I had one from 14 that was too smooth and I couldn't get it bright enough. Had an older PTP metro wired version that was modded to have a switch to really open it up like a Marshall, that was a very cool amp. I did try a 16 at a GC and it was also much brighter. I'm sure the new ones are also bright enough if you want.

I'm with you guys here for sure. I had the older and newer circuits. What Racer said is true in that the newer ones are a little brighter overall, but they still didn't have the aggressive top end and bite I was hoping for that you hear in something like a Super Lead, JMP, JCM 800, etc. I have that same struggle with Diezel amps.

It's like the amp had a built in LP filter that was set too aggressively, so no matter how high you turn the treble/presence, you'd never get those high frequencies back. For a lot of people that hate that upper end spike and aggression in Marshalls, it's perfect. For someone like me that wants that top end, it's a downer because nothing on the dials will give it back to you (see the LP analogy).

That's why I was curious if there's a position on the switch that changes that.

 

[lespaul6]

The voicing switch for the top end...that's what I'm curious about. The BE always had a more subdued top end compared to amps like Marshalls. Is there a position on the switch that allows the top end to be more in line with amps like that?

I’m not sure which versions of the BE you’ve played, but I always felt that way about the 2013 I had. Too smooth and subdued. I have heard the BE went through some revisions and from mid-2016 forward, they can be set to be more open, less compressed, and with more Marshall bite. I’ve never gotten a chance to try a newer one though.

Also, the clips I’ve heard of the BE-50 Deluxe sound better to me than the old BE I had. I’m excited to see what the new 100 is all about.

My feelings as well, with the earlier ones. I had one from 14 that was too smooth and I couldn't get it bright enough. Had an older PTP metro wired version that was modded to have a switch to really open it up like a Marshall, that was a very cool amp. I did try a 16 at a GC and it was also much brighter. I'm sure the new ones are also bright enough if you want.

I'm with you guys here for sure. I had the older and newer circuits. What Racer said is true in that the newer ones are a little brighter overall, but they still didn't have the aggressive top end and bite I was hoping for that you hear in something like a Super Lead, JMP, JCM 800, etc. I have that same struggle with Diezel amps.

It's like the amp had a built in LP filter that was set too aggressively, so no matter how high you turn the treble/presence, you'd never get those high frequencies back. For a lot of people that hate that upper end spike and aggression in Marshalls, it's perfect. For someone like me that wants that top end, it's a downer because nothing on the dials will give it back to you (see the LP analogy).

That's why I was curious if there's a position on the switch that changes that.

I hate when builders pull out those special frequencies to appease- I don't know who? All the magic happens within that high end in terms of harmonics and swirly sparkling things.. I love it. The original marshall designers had it down.. so that at volume its perfectly balanced with edge and cut. Dave needs to stop copying bogner and get back to the classic sounds.

 

[RACKSYSTEMS]

Copying Bogner???? Really.. funny thing is they copied me with there Helios.. anyway I think you guys are way of base with the MARSHALL comparison and I am going to do a video to prove it.... you can get the MARSHALL tone exactly 800 or plexi. Stay tuned a bit after namm..

 

[Pseudo Drew Peterson]

Yeah because Marshall amps are original and innovative designs...

Oh wait they’re just an exact copy of a Fender.

High end is nice...for about 5 minutes, then your ears start to bleed.

 

[Racerxrated]

Copying Bogner???? Really.. funny thing is they copied me with there Helios.. anyway I think you guys are way of base with the MARSHALL comparison and I am going to do a video to prove it.... you can get the MARSHALL tone exactly 800 or plexi. Stay tuned a bit after namm..

Dave, for what it's worth I do feel the 2016 and newer BE 100 does have that Marshall upper mid bite that I love, as I tried one at a GC in Mpls. Much more to my liking than the earlier versions that didn't seem to have that.

 

[NewWorldMan]

...I think you guys are way of base with the MARSHALL comparison and I am going to do a video to prove it.... you can get the MARSHALL tone exactly 800 or plexi. Stay tuned a bit after namm..

Tamed high end was even specifically mentioned in official BE100 marketing materials, and directly in reference to Marshalls...

"Tamed is the harshness predominant with the British amps..."

 

[Pseudo Drew Peterson]

I think they still sell Marshall’s if that’s what you are looking for...

 

[CrazyNutz]

Copying Bogner???? Really.. funny thing is they copied me with there Helios..

Indeed they did! Actually several builders have copied that first stage plate setup you use (100k/220k with 500pf parallel with the 100k)

 

[lespaul6]

Copying Bogner???? Really.. funny thing is they copied me with there Helios..

Indeed they did! Actually several builders have copied that first stage plate setup you use (100k/220k with 500pf parallel with the 100k)

I do understand Dave's point here.. I was only referring to the darker voice, generally speaking.

 

[LP Freak]

The voicing switch for the top end...that's what I'm curious about. The BE always had a more subdued top end compared to amps like Marshalls. Is there a position on the switch that allows the top end to be more in line with amps like that?

I’m not sure which versions of the BE you’ve played, but I always felt that way about the 2013 I had. Too smooth and subdued. I have heard the BE went through some revisions and from mid-2016 forward, they can be set to be more open, less compressed, and with more Marshall bite. I’ve never gotten a chance to try a newer one though.

Also, the clips I’ve heard of the BE-50 Deluxe sound better to me than the old BE I had. I’m excited to see what the new 100 is all about.

My feelings as well, with the earlier ones. I had one from 14 that was too smooth and I couldn't get it bright enough. Had an older PTP metro wired version that was modded to have a switch to really open it up like a Marshall, that was a very cool amp. I did try a 16 at a GC and it was also much brighter. I'm sure the new ones are also bright enough if you want.

I'm with you guys here for sure. I had the older and newer circuits. What Racer said is true in that the newer ones are a little brighter overall, but they still didn't have the aggressive top end and bite I was hoping for that you hear in something like a Super Lead, JMP, JCM 800, etc. I have that same struggle with Diezel amps.

It's like the amp had a built in LP filter that was set too aggressively, so no matter how high you turn the treble/presence, you'd never get those high frequencies back. For a lot of people that hate that upper end spike and aggression in Marshalls, it's perfect. For someone like me that wants that top end, it's a downer because nothing on the dials will give it back to you (see the LP analogy).

That's why I was curious if there's a position on the switch that changes that.

I think the switch only cuts highs

 

[JerEvil]

What’s the surprise? It’s the 100 BE Deluxe. Dave’s got way too much class to make a CCV copy.

This. Dave already confirmed it on the Friedman FB group.

I can't wait to check this out at NAMM. Hopefully I'll be able to get some time with Dave again this year to talk it thorough and do a playthrough for the channel...

Dave?

 

[PBGas]

When I got my BE-50 last year, I wasn't looking for a Marshall, I wanted a Friedman.

new amp looks amazing!!!

Nicely done, Dave!

 

[Racerxrated]

The voicing switch for the top end...that's what I'm curious about. The BE always had a more subdued top end compared to amps like Marshalls. Is there a position on the switch that allows the top end to be more in line with amps like that?

I’m not sure which versions of the BE you’ve played, but I always felt that way about the 2013 I had. Too smooth and subdued. I have heard the BE went through some revisions and from mid-2016 forward, they can be set to be more open, less compressed, and with more Marshall bite. I’ve never gotten a chance to try a newer one though.

Also, the clips I’ve heard of the BE-50 Deluxe sound better to me than the old BE I had. I’m excited to see what the new 100 is all about.

My feelings as well, with the earlier ones. I had one from 14 that was too smooth and I couldn't get it bright enough. Had an older PTP metro wired version that was modded to have a switch to really open it up like a Marshall, that was a very cool amp. I did try a 16 at a GC and it was also much brighter. I'm sure the new ones are also bright enough if you want.

I'm with you guys here for sure. I had the older and newer circuits. What Racer said is true in that the newer ones are a little brighter overall, but they still didn't have the aggressive top end and bite I was hoping for that you hear in something like a Super Lead, JMP, JCM 800, etc. I have that same struggle with Diezel amps.

It's like the amp had a built in LP filter that was set too aggressively, so no matter how high you turn the treble/presence, you'd never get those high frequencies back. For a lot of people that hate that upper end spike and aggression in Marshalls, it's perfect. For someone like me that wants that top end, it's a downer because nothing on the dials will give it back to you (see the LP analogy).

That's why I was curious if there's a position on the switch that changes that.

I think the switch only cuts highs

The one I had was a 2012/13, built by Metro PTP. I traded with Bobtoz for it, based on the mod he had Dave do to make it more Marshall-open/upper end bite/Kerrang or whatever one wants to call it. Whatever Dave did, it was exactly like a good Marshall with that switch engaged. Plenty open with a ton of bite. With the switch off, the more smooth darker BE 100. Don't know if the new ones can get there the same way, but that switch would make the Marshall purists very happy.

 

[psychodave]

Copying Bogner???? Really.. funny thing is they copied me with there Helios..

Indeed they did! Actually several builders have copied that first stage plate setup you use (100k/220k with 500pf parallel with the 100k)

Like who else

 

[CrazyNutz]

Copying Bogner???? Really.. funny thing is they copied me with there Helios..

Indeed they did! Actually several builders have copied that first stage plate setup you use (100k/220k with 500pf parallel with the 100k)

Like who else

Hmm, do we want to get that shit storm started again? Rhymes with Ike Mortin

 

[psychodave]

Copying Bogner???? Really.. funny thing is they copied me with there Helios..

Indeed they did! Actually several builders have copied that first stage plate setup you use (100k/220k with 500pf parallel with the 100k)

Like who else

Hmm, do we want to get that shit storm started again? Rhymes with Ike Mortin

Lol. I hear ya, but that Pseudo Douch Peckerson hates facts like this.