NGD........Kramer: "The 84" in Blue Metallic ^_^

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Got to balance the clean with the mean ^_^


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The~Kid said:
Those things look amazing and I imagine sound and play phenomenal.


Yeah they have Pacer Classics that cost like 300 bucks and those are okay but yeah not that great the higher end Pacers that go for 1000$ like the Vintage or Carrera are where its at and those are not bad IMO and sport the 83 profile.

Maybe it's not the same as the OGs but those current production Pacer Vintage really turned me on to them to start especially those 83 type necks they use on them and they felt great IMO.


May end up getting a Pacer Carrera in red, a Vintage in White or another 84 in red after this maybe next year or later towards the end of this year.


Wish they re did something like this color too. This is from an 83 Pacer Imperial I believe.


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That's mine, and yep it's an '83. This one also has the bare/oiled neck, no lacquer, from factory, and bigger frets. Amazing player, going to keep it until my fingers fall off.

JackBootedThug said:
The girl who does the Pantera vids on YouTube…she’s awesome btw, said that out of all the new kramers…she felt the sabo model had the closest neck to her original Kramer..or something to that affect anyway. I personally have always wanted a night swan and I also dig the voyager that she’s playing…I think it’s a voyager anyway….
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Speaking of guitars I couldn't get rid of fast enough, I also had a 2021 Nightswan and I thought it was decidedly "meh." Not a bad guitar, not a great guitar, but definitely not much like a real Nightswan. I still applaud the effort and with Swans in the $3k range, $799 for a modern one even with some compromises isn't terrible. That said, I think the prices are higher now. If I pretend that vintage Kramers don't exist, I'd like it a lot more probably.

The~Kid said:




Yup pretty much that Snake Sabo is like a vintage profile from a certain year not sure if 83 or 85 but it's pretty much spot on to Snake Sabos Kramer which I hear was a Kramer neck on a Charvel body. So it's a "Baretta" model but it really isn't. Pantera Girl is pretty OCD about this type of stuff and I take her word for it....... I mean her name is Kayla Kent but yeah..... Pantera Girl gets down and props to Kayla ^_^



The only other one that may be similar is the Pacer Carrera and Vintage Pacer models...... these come with an 83 profile. What makes them solid, IMO as far as the 83 profiles I tried on Pacer Vintage models is that fat baseball like feel at the very 1st fret but then it slims down some good but stays fat in the right places. Really solid and it sort of starts like a very fat Fender C/Oval and then turns into a wider/slimmer 59 getting up to the 12th.


The K Speed Slim Taper on the regular 84s isn't as fat but it's got a lot of that general vibe too but just smaller but still a comfy size in general and overall just a solid neck based losely on the average feel of a Kramer neck in the 80s as different companies would make their guitars...... for example some Kramers were pretty much the same as ESP/Jackson models and in general there wasn't a lot of consistency sometimes because they would change OEMs year after year or multiple times in the same year or something like that.


Value wise the Snake Sabo and Pacer Carrera/Vintage are kind of worth it for that 83/early Kramer profile and probably the best platforms for that vintage Kramer tone short of a vintage an actual vintage one.... the Snake Sabo could be routed too even though it would take work but yeah stock it's hard not to be happy with one of those I imagine.
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Sabo neck - it's an '87, or at least that is what it is meant to be. I haven't had this model, but if Kayla says it's good I'm sure she's right. The neck on his original guitar is also an 87 (although as mentioned, probably not a Kramer body).

I want to emphasize the part where you said there wasn't a lot of consistency with 80s Kramers because it's very true. Part of the reason why I have so many Kramers myself (I've had something like 80 Kramers and still own 50 of them) is because there is a lot of variation, even within the same model.

Let me give you an example. I have a 1983 Kramer Pacer Imperial. The neck has an R2 floyd nut shelf and a glossy lacquer finish with what we could call today "vintage" frets. I also have a 1983 Pacer Imperial with an R2 floyd neck with a bare neck finish and a different profile with larger frets. I also have a 1983 Pacer Imperial with an R5 floyd nut. I also have a 1983 Pacer Imperial with a Rockinger nut and a brass 0th fret and oiled finish. I also have a 1983 Pacer Imperial with a Rockinger nut and brass 0th fret with glossy lacquer finish. I also have a 1983 Pacer Imperial with a standard bone nut and glossy finish.

Get it? There is no singular "1983 Kramer neck profile." It's also why people are bound to be disappointed with current production guitar where the marketing material says "83 neck profile" because that means something different to everyone. Maybe I'm "old man shakes fist at clouds" here but I really wish they would've named it something different, if they're going to do reissues then by all means, do it accurately and do it right. If they are going to invent new models like the 84 and HH-84, that's cool too but I wish they'd name them differently.

The vintage Kramer rabbit hole is deep and full of misinformation but it's worth clearing up. Even as far back as the strat headstock, earliest wood necked Kramers, they were being made by ESP and assembled here in the US. Sometimes that assembly meant modification though - frets, finishes, logos, and more. Some beak necks were made by Sports and are visibly different. Then came non-tilt banana headstocks, obviously made famous by EVH - these started with the "fat" non-tilt, and a few hundred "skinny" non-tilts before EVH told them he didn't like them selling it. Then came the tilted banana headstocks - most made by ESP, but some by Sports and some by Lasido. Then came the pointy era, which actually started with them literally shaving the banana into a point in late '85. The pointy era was all ESP made, and it is the most consistent - neck profiles, fretboards, fret size are all very consistent and the majority of necks are R2's. There are some outliers, a few R5's, some special features in short runs, and the shape of the volute changed a few times getting more pronounced until the Proaxe's R1 neck at the very end of the original Kramer run. Happy to answer any specific questions too as I know a lot about this tiny area of the guitar world.

Anyway, congrats on the new guitar and rock on. Looks very nice and it's a great color.
 
@The~Kid You should post more photographs and less paragraphs.

Have your handlers edit some of that shit!

Nice guitar though dickhead!

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japetus said:
Libertore reminds me of a lefty Waino
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Yeah don't know too much about him but he is a bit better than decent given todays quality of pitchers and just in general. Should be a good game for the Cards and I think they are still somewhat in contention and better than a lot of other teams especially and have a chance in that division especially with all the injuries with the Cubs rotation right now.
 
The~Kid said:
Yeah don't know too much about him but he is a bit better than decent given todays quality of pitchers and just in general. Should be a good game for the Cards and I think they are still somewhat in contention and better than a lot of other teams especially and have a chance in that division especially with all the injuries with the Cubs rotation right now.
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